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Contents 1 Hi 2 heya 3 I am without words 4 A comment 5 September Esperanza Newsletter 6 Me again... 7 The Halo's RfA 8 Re: I'm back 9 You're back 10 Welcome back! Thank you for not leaving :) 11 You're so brave 12 Hiya! 13 Welcome back 14 Good to hear 15 Salut! 16 Greetings 17 Welcome to the Kindness Campaign! 18 Welcome back 19 Glad to see you again :) 20 Genres de perfectionnisme 21 Next time talk to us 22 Sharon 23 Thanks for your message 24 The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue V - October 2006 25 lung transplantation 26 You helped choose Microorganism as this week's WP:AID winner 27 You helped choose Microorganism as this week's WP:AID winner 28 wellwishes 29 WikiProject Disambiguation Talk Request 30 Re: thoughts 30.1 I have no idea why I didn't think of this before 31 Thanks for your reply 32 Re: Userpage etc. 33 Userbox page 34 Re: Feel better 35 Belated Birthday Thanks

Hi

Hey Kyoko, thanks for dropping by my talk page to offer your congratulations. That was very thoughtful of you and I appreciate it very much. :) And I'm very pleased to meet you. Best wishes, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 19:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

heya

I don't know you so well, but from what I've seen you're an intelligent, dedicated, well-meaning editor. I certainly don't think your presence here on the 'pedia does anything short of encouraging and pleasant, and I can't imagine anyone believing differently.

Let me know if I can do anything for you.

Peace - CheNuevara 21:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your kind words. I need to deal with things in my real life, and unfortunately this will force me to be away from Wikipedia. I do wish that we had met under better circumstances. Please take care. --Kyoko 23:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

That is, of course, understandable; good luck, and take care. - CheNuevara 00:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I am without words

I did not realise my "leaving" would add just that much more to your stress. I also (see my user page) have hung back a bit due mostly to real-life conditions, and from my mistakes here—but please know that you are not the cause. If anything, you have helped me and encouraged me to become a better editor—although of course I realise I am a long way from near even "good". Just know that you are not alone; I sympathise with, empathise with, and to be blunt, I love all my friends here and I want to make sure they have the best. If I can help these conditions come, please tell me and I will do my utmost to be sure. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

A comment

Your life will go on, and so will Wikipedia. Perhaps if you ever feel it's adequate, they both will cross paths once again. Best of lucks and we'll hopefully read each other again! Roadmr 23:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I hope all goes well when you are away, and that you feel better about yourself; try not to be so down! Good luck getting everything sorted out, though. -- Natalya 13:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Although having the newsletter appear on everyone's userpage is desired, this may not be ideal for everyone. If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List.

Me again...

I realise your reason for your absence, and will not push you to come back as I have seen disasterous results from other users doing so to other users. I myself am "coming back" (I never really left) today or tomorrow, so if my "leaving" caused any thing leading up to this, an apology would be inadequate to express how sorry I am and I hope I could make it better. I realise that sometimes words are unnecessary, and as I have no more to say, I will leave now. Please do the best for yourself and for our Encyclopædia. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  15:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The Halo's RfA

Re: I'm back

One quick thing first: do you want me to include the link? —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  15:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Just remember the four Hs: head, heart, hands, and health hang on, hang in, hang out, and hang loose! ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC) P.S. Yet another thing…what about Will?

You're back

I didn't think I'd ever make another edit to wikipedia as Sergeant Snopake, but here goes...
I'm so glad that you're back! I've been watching the situation closely, and thinking about it a lot (often my last thought before I went to sleep was 'I wonder what happened to Kyoko', or 'I wonder how Kyoko's doing'), and I'm so, so sorry for all that's happened to you. I just want you to know that there are editors here who care about you, and who are just so glad that you're back. Sorry if this seems odd, because I don't think I've ever actually spoken to you before, but... Sergeant Snopake 16:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that my words made a difference! As usual, I won't return unless another situation just like this arises (and then I probably won't be able to resist - but it's unlikely). Thank you for both your kind words and not prying (I've only ever talked about it with Sceptre). I do hope you feel a lot better soon. Thank you so much for coming back! Sergeant Snopake 10:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! Thank you for not leaving :)

Who is this dude you're thinking?! Someone who (hope you dont mind) read your essay and, let's just say I know everyday is going seem to have a little more sunshine, a little more flowers, and and little more smiles than the last - till ya read this message in a few weeks and wonder "what was that guy babblying on about??" ;) Well, cant ever have too many friends, so, consider yourself +1 more, keep smiling :) Glen 18:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You're so brave

And kind and clever too. And while it would be nice for the rest of us to have you around on the 'pedia, just take care of yourself. Don't feel you have to say a thing to anyone. Editing's addictive and only you can decide if you can handle that. I don't know how well it goes with perfectionism, either, because the whole enterprise is destined never to be perfect. Peace. Itsmejudith 21:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hiya!

You most likely don't know me, but I came across your message on Springeragh's talk page and saw your name on the Esperanza stress alerts page. I hope you are currently feeling better, and staying strong and healthy. I myself had a bout with depression a few years back – not medically related, but a lot of bad things were happening in my life all at once, and I guess something in me finally snapped. It's a terrible way to feel, and the best thing to do is surround yourself with people you love and care for.

I'm currently trying desperately to reduce my Wikitime, but if you ever feel like a chat, on or off-wiki, please don't hesitate to drop me a line!

All the best, — riana_dzasta _{wreak havoc|damage report} 03:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

It's good to see you back.

I won't presume to 'know' what you feel, but I have experience with depression and it's unfortunately common among people I know. If I can do anything for you, let me know -- I'm an e-mail enabled user, so don't be afraid to e-mail me.

Glad you're back. Take care :) - Che Nuevara 04:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It does indeed hurt, I'm well aware of that. But it will get better if you look out for yourself. It's a hard thing; maybe the hardest. But if you take it upon yourself to rise to the challenge like any other, then it will get better.

And thanks for the name compliment :)

Peace - Che Nuevara 20:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Good to hear

That's so good to hear that you're back, and more importantly, that you're recovering. I hope that things in your life continue to improve, and that you become less "dark and twisty inside" (good quote :) -- Natalya 15:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I do watch Grey's! :) And that's a much better way to put it - good luck finding out what dark and twisty parts are actually you. -- Natalya 16:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Salut!

Tu parles un français formidable, sans fautes (pas comme le mien). D'ailleurs mon clavier n'est pas français et c'est fatiguant chercher tout le temps les symboles pour representer les accents. So back to English if that's OK. What I meant to say was that if you have perfectionist tendencies then working on a project that cannot ever be perfect may not be conducive to peace of mind. But you seem to be a self-aware person so you may be able to handle it. Have you tried the wikipediholic test? It's funny but won't cure wikipediholism. Itsmejudith 16:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Hey, glad to see you're back! I was exploring and happened upon Esperanza's stress alert pages. Stress is nasty. Unappreciative voices are usually the loudest ones so I thought I'd provide some counterbalance. Don't let them get to you! be reading you! Roadmr 17:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the Kindness Campaign!

Just my way of saying thanks to newcomers to the Kindness Campaign... a delicious home-baked chocolate chip cookie! Yum. :D  ♥ Kylu  (talk • contribs • email • logs • count)

I've read your depression essay and am glad that you're back with us and improving. My email link is active and talk's read daily if you ever have a request. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Same here, dear Kyoko. Thanks for the belated birthday wishes too. :) Cheers, Sango123 21:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I've never actually tasted mille-feuille, but it sounds and looks oh-so-enticing. Enjoy its virtual delectability! ;) Take care, Sango123 22:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Sorry to hear about your suicide attempt :( Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 08:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Insecurity and depression does suck, yes. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 07:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Glad to see you again :)

Hi Kyoko, and welcome back.

I'm so happy to see you back here, but also saddened to see what you have been through. Please, if there is anything I can do, tell me. I'm just glad that you're back here, and recovering :)

Thε Halo ^Θ 13:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the condolences Kyoko :)

I don't really know what's happening with Phaedirel, other than she's very busy at the moment in real life, so she's taken an extended wikibreak. I'm sure (or, at least, I hope) that she's fine, her same happy, kind self, expect for being rushed off her feet, and hopefully she'll be back on the wiki soon. Something to look forward to ;)

It really is great to see you back Kyoko.

Thε Halo ^Θ 00:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Genres de perfectionnisme

Hi again Tachikoma. I do see what you mean. All I needed to say was just "take it easy". Ou ""prends ça facile"", comme on ne dit pas en français ;-)Itsmejudith 20:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Salut Kyoko. Excuse-moi, je te prie, pour t’avoir appelé par ton nom d’utilisateur au lieu de ton vrai (pré)nom. Et si tu n’as pas compris tout de suite mon ironie, la faute est la mienne, tu n’as pas de quoi t’excuser. J’espère que tu vas mieux maintenant. Mais au moment que t'auras le moindre problème, n’hesites pas de contacter tes amis chez Esperanza . Tu pourrais par exemple prendre un 'tit déca-crème au coffee-lounge :-). À n’importe quelle heure tu y trouveras du monde – vu le décalage d’heure entre les pays, et meme sans prendre en compte le nombre d’insomniaques qui passent leur temps à WP. Itsmejudith 22:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Say what you're actually feeling, no holds barred. Life can be really tough, but with enough support we can struggle through. You will find others here who have also been through hard times. There's no need to be sunny all the time - I'm certainly not. When I was down I found that books by the psychologist Dorothy Rowe helped. Just an idea. Itsmejudith 12:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

IF you think it might help to talk, then a definite YES. One day I might need you or someone else to help me. You can email me if you like. Itsmejudith 13:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Next time talk to us

Hi, Kyoko. I have read your essay regarding your depression issues, which apparently you are still dealing with. I am glad that you are not dead by your own hand, because that would not be good. I sincerely hope that when you ever feel like you are going to commit suicide, you talk to us first. It may take a bit, but we will talk to you. After all, that's what Esperanza is for, right?--Chili14 04:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Sharon

She's been rather ill recently, I guess that's why she's not being contributing as much. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 07:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Last time I talked to her, she was ill. Will ^{(Glaciers melting in the dead of night)} 14:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message

I was truly sorry to hear how dangerous your medical condition is. I hadn't followed the links on your page before; now I have and have learnt a lot. I'm even more impressed by how brave you are. Editing those pages seems to be your way of reaching out to others and in return people will reach out to you. I know that I speak for everyone in Esperanza, and way beyond in the Wikipedia community, that we are here to listen and offer our support. But you also need something very practical, that an online community can't do for you, at least not directly. You have to get the very best health care, for your body, your mind, and the things that relate to both body and mind (like being able to sleep). Are you getting that excellent care? Can you trust the professionals around you? Or are there self-help or advocacy groups that could act on your behalf? Perhaps there are Wikipedians who could put you in touch with such groups. I am anxious for you, as I believe that the quality of health care in the US can be patchy and depends on income (unlike in UK and France, systems I know, and Canada, which I have heard about). I didn't like the idea that your mental health needs could be used as a criterion to deprive you of needed treatment - perhaps that's something you could fight or someone could fight on your behalf. Don't be afraid to say how you are feeling and what your needs are. There is a big community here, with well-informed people, good listeners. Use it however you need to. You have given enough already, you deserve something back. Tu peux toujours m'écrire en français - si je m'exprime mal je comprends bien. Itsmejudith 19:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I can't write back in much detail right now as it's getting late here. I think there is a lot of mileage in your approach, getting the scientific information out to the general public. I am interested in the gap between "lay knowledge" and "expert knowledge", and Wikipedia at its best can break down that barrier. Glad to hear that you have access to good care, and perhaps you will explore the self-help group option when you feel up to it. Itsmejudith 21:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that whether someone is brave or not (like whether they are pretty or clever) is not something they can work out for themselves; only others can say. And as a rule of thumb I think people who believe themselves to be brave probably aren't. "Dark and twisty" - well in some circumstances that is the only way to feel. Someone who has a life-threatening condition has a right to be scared and self-absorbed. We hear tales in the popular media of people valiantly "battling" against illnesses and disabilities, but disability rights campaigners get very angry about this, and rightly so, I think. Why should people who just happen by chance to have a condition have to bear the burden of reassuring non-sufferers? Don't worry that you might have upset me - I was sad for you, but for each of us there are always people worse off and people better off. It's a good use of my time to be corresponding with you, since you always have interesting things to say. Otherwise I would probably just be weighing into impossible NPOV battles, or addictively pulling up "random article". But it's your call; don't even feel you have to respond to this, just use the WP community for support in the way that feels right to you. Itsmejudith 22:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can see now that I've completely contradicted myself, because I started off saying I thought you were brave and then denied that bravery had any meaning. I'm left wondering why courage was the first thing that came into my mind when I read your original post. It might take me a bit of time to ponder it. One thing I am sure of is that volunteers on Wikipedia need to take time to give each other and ourselves credit for the efforts that we put in. That even goes for the editors who are difficult to work with, even the ones who are obnoxious, obviously also for editors like you who are fair-minded and diligent. Also, I think your decision to let us all know that you were in difficulties was a sensible one. The psychologist that I mentioned advocates telling everyone about depression as the first step to overcoming it. How are things for you now? I hope improving little by little. Thanks again for taking the time to correspond. Itsmejudith 21:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Me, I'm quite well, thanks for asking. I have suffered from depression in the distant past, but it does feel quite distant now. At the moment my main concern is that I am about to get extremely busy at work. I am not a good organiser and I tend to switch off things that I am meant to be doing and succumb to addictive behaviours instead, like editing Wikipedia. There is always so much to be done on Wikipedia. Probably a bit like you I always feel that I should be more responsible. When I'm here that translates into trying to help clear the backlog of articles for wikifying or cleanup after translation. But even these necessary tasks can wait because there are people in the real world who rely on me. I also try to value time spent on everyday tasks like cooking, tidying the house and gardening. I like to be in touch with the natural world and the seasons and to walk in the countryside. You said you have had anorexia. I am very interested in food and how we can all improve the quality of what we eat. To me that is the way that we can overcome eating disorders, whether it is compulsive dieting or compulsive overeating (I tend to eat for comfort but only a bit, not as seriously as most people). England is notorious of course for its bad food and it is hard to source good ingredients, which makes me cross. I like to track down local traditions but also to link with the culture of other nations by cooking their dishes. I met some French Canadians (in Belgium) and they told me that they have a great culinary tradition? Is that right? Do you like French Canadian food? Itsmejudith 22:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I see the distinction you are making between issues with food and issues with body shape. In my utopia, both these questions would be resolved. Everyone would have a varied and healthy diet with seasonal food that did not destroy the environment or cause unnecessary suffering to animals. They would eat meals at meal times (as the French do but US/UK don't), so they would start to eat when they were hungry and finish when they were full. Everyone would get a suitable amount of healthy exercise, for example by cycling to work. Then except for a few cases of hormonal disorder people would not be either overweight or underweight and most important of all, they would not have to worry about their weight, either over or under. Sounds so easy, but so hard to make it happen. I see there is an article Cuisine of Quebec, which needs a bit of wikifying (I can do) and could perhaps be expanded? Nice to learn so much from Wikipedia and people we can meet here. Best wishes. Itsmejudith 14:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, also in my utopia people would realistically be able to cycle to work (actually they mostly can in the Netherlands so it is not that weird). Sometimes I think my best contribution to the internet would be to set up a website where people with very long commutes to work could swap jobs with each other. It could work with certain jobs anyway. And there would be no long hours culture as in the UK, also I think in the US. Work-life balance is important. Or work-life-wikipedia balance, which is even more difficult to achieve. I would veer towards "cuisine DU Quebec" and a better title for an article in English might be "Quebec cuisine" or even "Quebecois cuisine" (although that is odd to Francophone ears because cuisine is a feminine noun and the adjective should agree. Of course don't let me or anyone steer you towards or away from particular articles. Your user page talks about you having a week off work. Not sure if that means you are going back now or if you are already back at work. In either case, I hope work won't be an extra source of stress for you. Itsmejudith 22:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing you'll want to prepare your way back to work pretty carefully. I don't know what the culture is in your workplace or how supportive your management will be. But a general principle is that the organisation employs human beings and expects them to be able to work effectively and in teams, therefore it should put in the effort to make sure that those human beings are empowered to do just that. You said before you were anxious that people might treat you as too frail to be entrusted with anything. I can see how that could be very annoying. The opposite might apply, though, because whenever someone has been off work, even if only for a day or two, they have a backlog of work when they get back. Therefore if your management are doing their job properly they should make time to help plan your return workload so that is just right, not too challenging or too light. As for your co-workers, unfortunately there are some reactions that you can expect. I don't know how much they will know about your health situation or to what extent you can control what they are told. But even if they only know that you have been off sick, there will be some people who will feel embarrassed. Any news of human frailty inevitably reminds people of their own mortality, and some people find that virtually impossible to handle. Therefore they react in unhelpful ways to people who are ill or have been ill - even more scope for inappropriate reactions if the idea of mental rather than physical ill-health is present. So I hope that there are some people in your workplace that you respect and who will take the cue from you as to how much you want to talk and help you gently back into the workplace rough-and-tumble. Anyway, that's just a brainstorm about the issues that could arise. I'm sure it would be worth sharing your concerns with other Wikipedia editors as collectively we have experienced different aspects of what working life throws up. All the best. Itsmejudith 22:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to answer your question about your userpage. Rude of me. Answer is: I like the design a lot and I thought the comment set just the right tone. Itsmejudith 22:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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lung transplantation

I'm sorry to hear about your recent troubles, and I hope that you are doing better. On the first of October you left me a message on my talk page to look over the transplant article in your sandbox. I just wanted to get back with you on that. So far it looks great! I think a couple of things that can be added (or expanded upon) are; the lung allocation scoring system. I'd help with this part but I have no experience with the newer system, only the older first come first serve one. Complications of getting listed (I'm thinking of MRSA, B. Cepacia mostly CF stuff), post-tx risk of sepsis, directly after tx being hooked up to drainage tubing, etc. I have a few after tx pictures of scarring, and photos of xrays post-tx if necessary. Anyway when you're ready to promote that to an article let me know so I can help you out. Anyway once again I hope you're doing well, and thanks for asking for my input. --ImmortalGoddezz 23:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Microorganism as this week's WP:AID winner

Davodd 03:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Microorganism as this week's WP:AID winner

Davodd 03:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

wellwishes

Thank you for the support. And thanks for your interest in wp:figure skating. I'd also love to do way more than I have time for.. would love to start a Battlestar Galactica project too, but I really don't have time for it. So I guess the moral of the story is that you do what you can. :) I hope you feel much better soon (re: what i read on your userpage). We're still alive. Hope and love, Fang Aili ^talk 20:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the new BSG for me too. The old one was before my time. I tried to watch it and it was way too campy for me. Plus my favorite characters were missing. But anyway, perhaps I could get a project started and someone else could take it over. Or something. Glad to hear you're feeling better. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 21:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Disambiguation Talk Request

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Re: thoughts

Thank you, Kyoko. Without you (plural) and a few real-life friends, this may have been considerably worse. (And by the side, I love you, too!) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  02:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yes. Especially after a quick read of the article. I don't even think I could have done better. (Maybe because I don't write terribly well in the first place?) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't see it. :/ But, did you mean (in your edit summary) to read the article again, or your page?

Now I see. Although it threw me off for a minute because there was an N where an M would have been. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea why I didn't think of this before

I haven't thought of this before, and I hope I'm not taking too much liberty with this, but I should have given you this a while ago. So step in your time machine. ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply

I hope your return to work goes really well for you and you can start enjoying the challenges and the interaction with different people. On another topic, one I know you are interested in, can I ask a nosy question? Do the doctors know anything about whether PH is improved or worsened by exercise? I have a reason for being interested. That is, that my mother died of emphysema, which, as you know, is a lung condition. After she died, I read that a study had found that a moderate exercise programme could slow the progress of the condition measurably. I wish she had known that, because she might have stayed with us longer. Anyway, as I say, just curious. Itsmejudith 22:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind comments. I should have said that my mother died some years ago. Of course I still miss her. She was above all an interesting person, who had a full and varied life. She always had a lot of self-doubt, combined with strong opinions and a strong moral sense. As I get older I am acquiring all her most irritating habits with none of her wisdom (people say all women turn into their mothers). Kyoko, in the next weeks it looks like I will be extremely busy in my work and home life, so will really have to tackle my wikipediholism and spend less time here. I know you have some nice people to correspond with so please excuse me if I am not around so much. Itsmejudith 07:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I guessed that exercise (very carefully controlled) would have a beneficial effect. It would be good if they could do a longer study and find out whether the level of exercise can gradually be stepped up and whether that has even more benefits. I expect there is a limit after which there is no further benefit, as there is for everyone. Moderation in all things - even moderation should be taken in moderation ;-). I briefly looked at your userpage in French wikipedia and it is also nicely designed with definitely no major errors. I'm going to look again, though, when I have more time. I also read again what you said about wanting to careful to say exactly the right thing. I too like to write accurately when I can, but I think it is also nice to have a level of understanding between people, so that if you express something badly you get another chance to reword your point. Wikipedia's quite a good discipline in that way, because when an editor expresses him/herself badly we assume good faith and use the talk page to get him/her to explain. I like the idea that channels of communication are always kept open. I recently had an exchange with an editor which could have got out of hand, but just when I was wondering whether I should take it further, the editor retracted and apologised. I'm learning a lot about human interaction here, as well as about so many substantive topics. Itsmejudith 21:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Userpage etc.

OK, I'll fix the flag thing. But what about the table of contents thing? I have it placed (in coding anyway, and on my computer) under the wikistress template, and the picture of me. Are you talking about the archives? —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what's causing that, but it may help now that I put a {{-}} there. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC) P.S. I already knew that the image must be sized under 96 pixels for the entire thing to work as a link, but maybe I can copy the template code into my userspace and try to tweak it a little. 02:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

OK. (There are few things {{-}} can't fix.) Also, you're welcome about the userbox…I tried to make a similar one when I was a newby, but it was in the mainspace. Oops. But the credit still goes to you, and you can (as can anyone else) feel free to use any of my userboxes, when I get up and make more! —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I couldn't fix the flag link, but I did figure out what was causing the archive table to overlap: it's floating. (As in <div style="float:right;">) But the - template took care of that. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

If you're thinking about putting it in one of the sub pages of WP:UBX, I think you can just put it in using {{User:Tachikoma/Userboxes/stuffed animals}} (I assume it's either that or something similar). For some reason, everybody has a huge problem with userboxes in the template namespace and I don't know why, but they "solved" it by moving the majority of them into the user space. Example User:MiraLuka/Userboxes/Sexuality/user female, whether it actually links to something or not. I don't understand it, but as long as userboxes are accessible, I don't care (since I subst mine anyway). —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  20:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Userbox page

I moved your userbox page to User:Tachikoma/Userboxes, which is where I think you intended it to go.  :) NawlinWiki 02:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• It was an article page called /Userboxes. BTW, that's an awfully cute userbox. NawlinWiki 02:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Feel better

Thank you so much for the message! Dance is catching up with me, and I can't do half the stuff I'm supposed to so I'm a tad grumpy. But I'll recover -- I always do!

I see you're unwell yourself... I hope you get over your cold (in combination with everything else)! Here's some Chicken noodle soup to make you feel better. — Editor at Large^(speak) 12:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Have to shock you by saying I've never had clam chowder, but how did you know that sourdough is my absolute favourite kind of bread? You're brilliant, and now you've made me hungry... — Editor at Large^(speak) 20:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Belated Birthday Thanks

Hi Kyoko. Thanks for the birthday wishes, and sorry for taking so long to get back to you (unexpected wikibreak). Anyway, thank you very much, and I hope that everything goes okay with the kidney stuff. Fingers crossed :) Thε Halo ^Θ 12:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the concern, but don't worry, nothing too bad. Just a bit of computer trouble :( Thε Halo ^Θ 14:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Kyoko, nice to be back :) Thε Halo ^Θ 14:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)