Talk:Kyle Ward
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[edit] Recommend Article for Deletion
It's pretty clear this guy is using this page as a self-promotion; hell, on some forums he even admits to having other people set up the page for him. And really the whole is pretty pointless anywho. yay/nay?
- Nay. I started this page and I've never talked to Kyle Ward nor do I have much connection with the ITG community. How is that at all self-promotion? JeffreyAtW 21:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- Nay. I seriously doubt there is a conspiracy by the person named here to advertise on Wikipedia. I know him personally and while he knows 'of' the page, he's insinuated to me in the past that he doesn't take to altering it. Nor do I. Regardless, the way this Recommend is brought up ("really the whole thing is pretty pointless") almost makes it sound like it's for a personal reason. Is it pointless? Do you believe so? Why?
- It may seem pretty clear to you, but I'm not sure what forum posts you're referring to where Kyle "admits" to having the page set up for him. I know he has other people manage kyle-ward.com; are you sure you're not misinterpreting? In any case, please sign comments! I'd even suggest making an account, since I get the impression from other Wikipedia edits that you're in a situation where you don't have exclusive control over your IP; a dorm sharing a network, right? Accounts solve those issues, no? Plaguefox 23:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Nay. As he did not make this page, and did not ask the person who started this articale, I do not see this as self-promotion. Also, as someone made this page, with others editing it without his knowledge, I see that Kyle Ward is infact a notable person on wikipedia.-jonphamta 19:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC) (PS. Plaguefox is watching ;) )
Removed JS14 as one of Kyle Ward's aliases. Its clear that JS14 is not him. I've looked in his FAQ's and found that he liked the July -Euro Remix- as in terms of it was made by someone else.
Removed Affinity, it is NOT Kyle, its another artist from Seattle. --凸 02:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Keel is used once in ITG if I am not mistaken, in the the title for the marathon course "Keel over"
Added a citations tag, no referenced cited--jonphamta 19:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] II
As is the page could fairly easily be put up for deletion - there's no real assertion of notability here, he apparently works for the company that makes the game. Is he notable as a musician, or does he just work for the company that produces the game? I've found an interview with him, on a blogging site, which is not a reliable source. I can't find any independent reliable sources that say anything about him - it's blogs, trivial information from technical pages, wikipedia and his home page. What's he done aside from ItG? When and by whom have his recordings been released? The sub-pages for his albums don't discuss the studio that released it.
The page needs non-trivial, independant information from reliable sources about KW and his music otherwise it could be sent to AFD, and I'm very tempted to do so. WLU 17:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- For one, Ward has worked on the video game Pump It Up Pro, which was released this month. As for notability, He passes criteria 10 of WP:MUSIC which makes it likely that this will be redirected to the work he's known for. But he now works on two video games, so I'm not sure which article for the article to redirect to. --wL<speak·check> 20:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vocabulary
Something needs to be done about the part in the article where Kyle's pseudonyms are discussed. In particular, "x song is a good example of x name's style," is far too prevalent throughout. There needs to be variety.
Scandiumtrioxide
[edit] Genre of music mentioned is wrong.
"In the Groove and In the Groove 2 featured four notoriously difficult Speedcore songs - Pandemonium, VerTex, Energizer, and VerTex2"
Those four songs are not speedcore. Speedcore centers around electronic percussion at high speeds (just look at the Wikipedia article on it). In addition, the high BPM of the songs that is shown on ITG is twice the actual BPM for Pandemonium and Energizer (Pandemonium is listed as 330 BPM, but it's actually 165 BPM; Energizer is listed as 75-303 BPM, but it's actually 151.5 BPM). Personally, I think that Pandemonium and Energizer are much closer to acid techno or hard acid techno (based on listening to samples from "Ishkur's Guide To Electronic Music" (http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html)) than speedcore. As for VerTex and VerTex^2, it's hard to identify the genre, but it's closest to hardcore techno. However, NONE of the ZiGZaG songs in the "In The Groove" series are speedcore.
Edited music information about ZiGZaG, replaced "speedcore" in 2 places with more accurate terms for ZiGZaG's music.
[edit] copyvio
Having Begun playing Piano at age 5 via the Suzuki method (by ear), Kyle Ward knew he had a passion for music. He soon integrated his love for technology through keyboards, computers, and all forms of electronic instruments.
This in case I don't get around to it. Xiong Chiamiov :: contact :: 06:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] In the groove
Kyle quit composing for ITG as a contract artist and is now just a contributing artist. I'm not sure whether the article makes that clear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Axium (talk • contribs) 00:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] ZiGZAG
Should'nt be noted that some people think that ZiGZAG is also thought to be a guy named C. Foy?68.21.6.210 02:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- If that's the case, then it should be in an article called Chris Foy, who is another contributor to ITG. I've moved the ZiGZAG section here since it talks about what Ward is not.
[edit] ZiGZaG
In the Groove and In the Groove 2 featured four notoriously difficult electronic songs - Pandemonium, VerTex, Energizer, and VerTex2 - which were all signed "ZiGZaG". These four songs are considered by ITG players to be among the most difficult songs in ITG's history. Players recalled that in Dance Dance Revolution, there was a series of difficult songs of similar notoriety (the MAX series) which were all in actuality created by Naoki Maeda, using a different pseudonym for each song, and suspected that ZiGZaG was another pseudonym created by Kyle for the purpose of writing acid/hard acid techno and hardcore techno music. However, Kyle does not, and never has listed ZiGZaG as one of his pseudonyms.[citation needed]
When questioned on the subject, Kyle claimed that ZiGZaG was in fact, a different person. In a statement on his website, Kyle said: "ZiGZaG's identity has been kept secret by his request. ZiGZaG is an artist local to the Pacific northwest [of America] that uses very unorthodox techniques to create music."[1]
Suspicions still exist of ZiGZaG and Kyle Ward being the same person. Supposed evidence towards this conclusion includes the fact that a user account called "ZiGZaG" was created on RoXoR Games' web forum in October 2003, whose posts were signed "andy z". People suspected that this was simply Kyle going by his middle name of Andrew, although others have pointed out that it is equally likely that "andy z" is a pseudonym of ZiGZaG. Other evidence commonly cited includes ZiGZaG's song "Pandemonium" clearly being a remix of the KaW song "Indulgence", and his song "VerTex" previously having appeared on one of Kyle's webpages as credited to KaW. When asked about these songs, Kyle's reply was that ZiGZaG had simply touched up and remastered the songs. Also, Kyle once claimed that ZiGZaG owned a purple iMac, but pictures from Kyle's Flickr show that he uses a purple iMac himself. None of this evidence is conclusive, however, and the debate continues.
