Talk:Kwang Jo Choi/Archive 1

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Court Case

Comment Just because it is on koos website, the 22 page letter, it does not mean what koo is saying is true, we need to see court case citation.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Koo self defence Koo has only one club in the uk, CKD has over 400, so I cant see the above being true.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The site which the reference is linked to has very comprehensive documentation, it lists clearly that a writ for libel was filed under the name 'James Kwang Jo Choi' against Roger Koo. The proceedings are documented with the law courts, its a matter of history. Roger Koo has even publicly published his 22 page letter of resignation and every major Instructor within Choi Kwang Do Martial Arts International has read this letter, it is quite a matter of fact. I understand that you are probably a practitioner of this art and are somewhat bias, but even Mother Teresa has a criticism section. BMurray (talk) 12:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I more than a practitioner of that art, im a leading uk and international instructor and im mentioned on the koo web site and the info about me is wrong, so no the koo web site in not fact, we need to see the court case details from the court, not self published work from Roger Koo. I hope you understand what im saying now, I agree with you it on the web site but that is self pubished, have you any other links to the court case.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 14:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Is that you on that YouTube video cracking your head? BMurray (talk) 12:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment No teach mma now, I ahve 30 years in the game, choi is just one string to my bow, send me the link would love to see it, the only heads I crack are on the door Saturday nights, or in the cage.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 18:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed the 'Taekwondo' section, it reads like an advertisement and the only reference was straight from the Choi Kwang Do site. Choi Kwang Do orders and purchases large amounts of 'Combat Magazine', reference to Choi Kwang Do from Paul Clifton is basically 'cash for comment', other source required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BMurray (talk • contribs) 20:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment we are not talking about artcile we are talking about combat hall of fame, for Ralph Allison, so what your saying is Ralph paid to go in hall of Fame, if you are saying that choi kwang do by a lot of mags so it cash for questions can you cite a reference to that, I have removed your tags again, and replaced by factual reference showing the award letter, if you continue to revert edits you will be warned under the 3RR and you could be blocked from editing.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 07:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

"Although Marshall ordered 2.000 copies of the magazines" Terry Alexandrokos (excerpt from his resignation letter) Terry is making a reference to 2000 martial arts magazines. Numerous CKD schools buy martial arts mags, including 'Combat'. How can you make an untainted, objective comment about a martial art when they have a vested interest in your magazine? BMurray (talk) 08:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment choi kwang do has been in more than one magazine its been many over the past 20 years, and has 1000's and 1000,s of students with over 400 schools in th uk, are they all wrong too. The magazine shows kwang jo was awarded the Hall of Fame--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 16:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

ps your koo website just shows a letter sent the kwang jo choi it does not show the actual court case so it is not reliable or factual until you can source actual evidence and good refs, I will remove the court case section, be warned to keep removing fact tags will result in you being blocked under the 3RR rule --Diamonddannyboy (talk) 16:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Koo Self Defence Koos left choi kwang do in the early 1990s, and CKD only started in 1988 in the UK koo left in 1991 and they are still teaching CKD techniques, yet they still to this day some 18 years later put CKD down, when that is whta they are teaching, but with a different name, and the older version, choi has moved on from 91, yet koo still teaches those old techniques, Koos self defence is not notable, all they did was copy choi.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 07:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP concerns

I have excised part of the court case paragraph. Whilst Koo's site reproduces documents which attest to the fact that a court case took place, it cannot be a WP:RS in respect of the reasons for the outcome.

I have also excised the Taekwondo section, which makes claims that are not referenced from independent sources.

Mayalld (talk) 11:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)