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[edit] Curious

I've long been curious about these people.

Gringo300 06:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] pre-Muslim Gentile Kurds?

Since the article contrasts Kurdish Jews with Muslim Kurds, I felt that I needed to mention that I'd read something a while back about (Gentile) Kurds practicing another religion before Islam. Come to think of it, I think I've heard something about some (Gentile) Kurds STILL not practicing Islam, but I'm not an expert in any of this.

Gringo300 06:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Prior to the mass conversion to Islam, many of what comprise modern "Kurds" were, in fact, Jewish. If you look back in Mas. Gittin you find mention of several Kurdish kingdoms which were wholly Jewish, including Adiabene. TomerTALK 05:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Loreley 12:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Or you could be confusing the Kurdish Jews with the Yazidi.

Yup- Indeed, Kurds were mainly Yazidi before Islam. Kurds living before WWII or their descendents do have stories of Kurdish Jews who once lived with them. Most left after the formation of Israel though. I don't think most of these Jews were converts, but were probably descendents of a displaced Jewish Tribe. Many went on to become powerful rulers of kingdoms in the region. Overtime though, they gradually became accustomed to Kurdish culture, while keeping their own traditions. MercZ 01:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I dunno. Tomertalk 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew translation

The article currently says that the Hebrew for Kurdish Jews is, and I quote, "(יהדות כורדיסתאן "Jews of Kurdistan", Standard Hebrew Yehudi Kurdistan)" This is just plain wrong. Somewhere. Either it's "Yahadut Kurdistan" in Standard Hebrew, or the Hebrew should be spelled יהודי כורדיסתאן. Someone with the requisite knowledge, please fix this. Tomertalk 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Fixed it. PhatJew 12:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Female Rabbi

I don't like the use of the term Rabbi in this context. I seriously doubt she was referred to by the title or received formal semicha. And, while being the female leader of a yeshiva is certainly notable, it is completely different from the implications of semicha and being a Rabbi that are implied here. PhatJew 12:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Your comfort level is hardly a basis for editing in light of WP:NOT, WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Can you WP:CITE sources that say she wasn't considered a rabbi? Tomertalk 10:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
This discussion should be held in her article, not here. AucamanTalk 11:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Kurdish Jews"

Here is what I dont understand; why are Jews from the region of Kurdistan considered ethnically Kurdish? Jews from Baghdad were not considered "arab" but they were considerd Iraqi, in terms of nationality. So were Jews from Poland considered ethnically Polish? The Jews from the region of Kurdistan are the same Jews that were deported by the Asssyrians from Judah. This is proven by Jews of Kurdistna region still speaking the Aramaic language (the same language of the Assyrian empire.) I like how Polish Jews is redirected to History of the Jews in Poland and I think the same should be done to this page as well. Chaldean 15:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

because they are kurds —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.136.117.174 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 16 November 2006.

I'm under the impression that the Kurdish Jews are actually racially/ethnically Kurdish. Some people would ask if it's possible to be 100% Kurdish and 100% Jewish at the same time. I'm figuring out more all the time that the whole concept of race is far more complex than a lot of people realize it is. But, I still have a lot to learn about Kurdish Jews. (or Jewish Kurds?) Gringo300 05:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are Kurdish Jews Semitic?

Are Kurdish Jews Semitic? I've heard that not all Jews are. Gringo300 11:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew: Kurdim ?

I always read the term 'Kurdim' in English articles mentioning the existence of the so-called 'Kurdish Jews' in Israel. Shouldn't this term be mentioned in the article as the local ethnonym used in Israel, even if the one used by themselves in 'Kurdistan' probably was Hozaye, in the judeo-aramaic dialects like Lishana Deni. I read this in a 'World culture encyclopedia' 'Jews of Kurdistan' article: 'In Kurdistan: Hōzāyē (by the Jews themselves), Hūdāyē (by the Christians), Juhū (by the Kurds); in Israel: Kurdim.'.

To be frank, I don't believe it right to speak of 'Kurdish Jews', nor of 'Kurdish Christians' (an article partly written by some missionary using the POV term 'followers of Jesus'), it would be more neutral to title the article 'History of the Jews in Kurdistan' like someone else suggested. The ethnonym 'Kurd' relates primarily to persons speaking a Kurdish language and/or claiming a Kurdish ethnic heritage, which doesn't seem to be the case of either Jews or Assyrian Christians (or Arabs and Turkmens) living ou having their family roost in some part of 'Kurdistan'. The situation will of course be different if/when a Kurshish state will gain admission to the U.N. --Pylambert 20:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The article is not titled Jewish Kurds, but Kurdish Jews. If the article is correct, they speak (also) Kurdish, and dress like the neighbouring Kurds, so the adjective "Kurdish" is justified here, I suppose.
Apparently, there are Kurds who have embraced Christianity, so what's the problem with the article title Kurdish Christians? And what's so POV about "followers of Jesus"? --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 06:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
If they are Kurdish Jews, how can they help but also be Jewish Kurds? Gringo300 13:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 23:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Kurdish Jews' is very wrong

Please change the article to 'Kurdistani Jews'. Or, 'Jews of Kurdistan'. There has never been a Kurdish Jew. If anything their nationality is closer to the language they used 'Syriac' than to Kurdish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.90.17.19 (talk) 12:34:08, August 19, 2007 (UTC)


It's not wrong. Aramaic is their religious language. Same as a vas amount of Ethnic Kurdish Christians who gradually started to consider themselves as Assyrian since 19th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.165.90.83 (talk) 08:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)