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[edit] regarding Meyers Mill, South Carolina

I was browsing the new pages and ran across your article. Excellent first draft. Kudos to you! JohnCub 21:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great Articles, Wondering...

If you would like to help me with the State Parks in South Carolina. I read your Palmetto Trail mini-guide and it is very accurate on the sections I have hiked. I also have hiked sections of the Foothills Trall and plan to do it all the way through very soon. Anyway... I was wondering if you could help me with South Carolina Trails, and South Carolina State Parks. We could make it a WikiProject.

Thanks, Clemson3564 23:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The template works now

Everything is optional now except the name. I am making another state park with it at Caesars Head. If you have a picture from there it would help. If there is anything wrong with the template let me know.

Clemson3564 00:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Historic South Carolina Counties, Districts, and Parishes

I have attached Category:Historic South Carolina Counties, Districts, and Parishes to a group nomination to rename a large number of categories at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 11. Basically, I have recommend changing "historic" to "former", as "former" is less ambiguous than "historic". (Think of all of the county tourism groups in the United States that have some type of sales pitch about their county being "historic".) I hope that you do not mind.

Also, could you remove the category from User:KudzuVine/Sandbox? User pages should not appear in the same categories as Wikipedia articles.

I hope you understand. Thank you, Dr. Submillimeter 15:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

If you plan on adding a lot of text to this category, you may want to consider creating an article istead. Generally, categories are just a navigation and organizational aid. Articles would be more appropriate if you want to discuss the history of parish and county divisions in detail. (It would probably be a decent article, too.) Dr. Submillimeter 17:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Post-1850 Ownership of Fort Hill

I have raised a question regarding possibly conflicting statements in two articles you have been involved in editing, Fort Hill (Clemson) and Thomas Green Clemson, and an article I have created and substantially edited, Floride Calhoun, relating to the ownership of the plantation following John C. Calhoun's death in 1850. See Talk:Fort Hill (Clemson) for further details. --TommyBoy (talk) 17:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance in resolving the problem. --TommyBoy (talk) 23:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] South Carolina NHL articles

Clark Mills Studio pic recently uploaded by KudzuVine

Hi KudzuVine -- I notice you've added photos and otherwise improved several articles indexed by List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina, such as Clark Mills Studio. Thanks, great! Those pics could also be added to the NHL list, too, of course.

I see that several of the pictures are the DejaVu ones at the National Park Service. It is fine to use these, and for you to provide a link directly to the specific URL for the given photo. I would only want to suggest that for these you also add additional information available in the PDF document that provides the entire photo set, and add a link to the photo set PDF as well. I just edited the Clark Mills Studio photo that you added, in that way. For that one, the photographer is known and should be credited. My edit might be improved, but at least I provide a link to the PDF file. For some other photos that you added, I don't see the photographer name, so adding the PDF file link wouldn't help as much. But adding the PDF file link would help anyone else like me to verify that there is no photographer name to credit, so there is some benefit even then. Anyhow, thanks again for what you've done, keep up the good work! :) doncram (talk) 22:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see your further additions of pictures, including some from HABS today. I took the liberty of announcing the list-article at WP:NRHP, just now, as it has reached "Start" rating (meaning it has an article for every NHL it indexes). Clariosophic has also worked on a lot of the articles. I wonder if we three are interested in developing it further, then to nominate it for Featured List? I wasn't expecting to stay working on this list-article for long, when i started with some edits on 12 Feb, but i was encouraged by Clariosophic's and your involvement, and some others (Bedford developed a couple articles too). Anyhow, thanks again. I hope you may keep adding HABS and other pics, it is starting to look really impressive. Cheers, doncram (talk) 02:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Really good catch about the mixup within the former Bethesda Presbyterian Church article (which is now a disambiguation page). Bethesda Presbyterian Church (Camden, South Carolina) now covers the Kershaw County one that is the NHL. I created new Bethesda Presbyterian Church (McConnells, South Carolina) for the York County NRHP. I am happy to report that I have learned enough to observe, comparing the SC DAH photos available for both, that I can tell which is Robert Mills work and which is not! You are doing really great work. I am impressed with your cropping and good source notes within the HABS photos you have been uploading. I am also surprised at how many you are finding. In New York State, when I did a lot of HABS looking, I didn't find nearly as many as you are finding. It seems to me that most of the SC NHLs are really old and beautiful homes or churches or plantation houses, so it was obvious to the depression era HABS photographers that they should take pics of them. In NYS, there are more plain homes associated with the life of a suffragette or a union leader etc. that HABS didn't take note of. Anyhow, the list-article is looking better and better, and because you have kept working so have I, plugging away at the descriptions and so on. Thanks, and keep up the good work! doncram (talk) 23:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks also for pointing out probable/actual error in William Aiken House and Associated Railroad Structures. I have now cleared up the mixup, I believe, by creating a new article Gov. William Aiken House, which was also known as the Aiken-Rhett House or the Robinson-Aiken House, and I moved the relevant HABS material from the other article. William Aiken was the railway founder; William Aiken, Jr., his son, became governor. It took me a while to get to it, but thanks for pointing out the mixup by posting to my Talk page. doncram (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Responding to your comment at my talk page: Ah, yes, that Piedmont site certainly should be added to the table of former NHLs in SC. I see i had left a "citation needed" attached to my statement that there were no de-designations in the state. I guess i meant to go and check, but never did. Good catch. And, wow, that color photo of the site burning, in the NHL summary for it, looks like public domain and certainly should be added to an article about the site. I wonder if you have HABS pics too, i'll watch to see what you do. :) P.S. you certainly are invited to join WP:NRHP, to sign up as a member, by the way. I recently noticed you had not yet done so. doncram (talk) 23:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia NHLs

Hi -- I've started working on List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. I'd be very pleased if you were interested in making some additions there. I am inviting Clariosophic also to work on that list. I note there are HABS pics available for Exchange Building and many other Virginia NHLs (again as there were lots for South Carolina, while there are relatively fewer HABS pics for historically industrial states like Ohio and New York.) Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wind tunnels in VA, and Unitary Plan Wind Tunnel, in CA

Hi -- Thanks so much for all you've been doing developing the VA NHL list. I like the several wind tunnel articles you created from scratch, and your creating/expanding an entire category of wind tunnels. I wonder, would you be willing to develop the CA NHL article Unitary Plan Wind Tunnel, which you visited to add a category tag recently? I have just stripped the former article down to eliminate copied material (which I personally dislike use of), and I added some standard references that can be used in developing the article. It would be a big help to me, as this is one of just a couple thorny problem articles within the CA NHL list, if you would smooth over the situation by developing some newly written text to explain/interpret this site. By the way, I note this article wikilinks to NACA, which I saw mentioned in sources for some of the VA wind tunnel articles, but I am not sure if you wikilink to it in those or not. The article for this one, built in 1955?, could usefully be related to the prior ones, probably by more than just the one reference to the Variable Density Tunnel that the article currently includes. I suppose there ought to be a history of wind tunnels article somewhere too that would benefit from all of these, and be linked from them (perhaps there is already, and/or you are developing it?). cheers, doncram (talk) 16:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I will look at this. I know a little about wind tunnels, but I am not an aerodynamicist. I was surprised that relatively few wind tunnels have articles and they are mainly the NACA/NASA tunnels we know about. I have another trip and this is the busy time at work. If I can locate a good history in the NASA webpages, I can probably do this later. I would have to find a history of wind tunnels to be able to do a separate history page. There are many, many wind tunnels built by governments, universities, industries throughout the world. KudzuVine (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, you know a lot more than most people do about wind tunnels then, simply to know that there a lot. I'm noticing mention of more of them recently, now that i know a little. Sort of relatedly, i have been reading Space, one of James Michener's long historical novels, this one from 1982, which involves NACA and lots of inter-related stories leading up to the space program, starting from missile program stuff in Germany during WWII. I don't recall hearing anything about NACA before. I am mainly focussed on finishing out starter articles on all the NHL sites, as you know, don't have a special interest in wind tunnels or NACA though. doncram (talk) 05:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] two John Marshall Houses

Hi -- Thanks for editing and uploading the HABS pic for John Marshall House. However, the one u uploaded and labelled as being in Richmond is from the wrong one of two John Marshall Houses in HABS, both in Virginia. I've linked the Richmond HABS page from the new article, and you'll see it is a different house than the one in Fauquier County. I can't figure out immediately whether the Fauquier County one is also an NRHP so the pic could be used in an article about it. The HABS report for it gives an alternative name of Oak Hill, and there are five Oak Hill NRHPs in Virginia. Anyhow, it would be super if you could remedy the situation for the Richmond NHL. :) doncram (talk) 03:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I edited the uploaded Commons pic to indicate it is the one in Fauquier County, in description and in category, but I don't see how to change the uploaded photo name to not include Richmond. doncram (talk) 03:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing this mistake. I have been gone for a few days and will be off again. I marked this Template:Bad name with {{Bad name|correctly named image}} == since I was the uploader. You could do it with {{duplicate|correctly named image}}, which is also discussed the Commons. I will check back in a week or so to see if it has been cleaned.KudzuVine (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, okay, i sort of get it. I gather that this is a way to tag a photo in Commons asking for something to be done, like putting a db speedy delete request for an admin in wikipedia. i've uploaded maybe 50 or so pics in Commons but have had very little interaction with anyone there. Thanks, doncram (talk) 05:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rendezvous Docking Simulator?

I wonder if you'd care to do Rendezvous Docking Simulator, one of the last four red-links in List of NHLs in VA? It sounds kinda like a wind tunnel to me. :) Or at least writing it, and sources and pics, might be similar. All unfamiliar to me. These last ones in the NHL list have been hard to get to as i am unfamiliar with what to do. For example, i just was bogged down for a long time trying to figure out and document differences among the Pocahontas coalfield vs. Pocahontas Exhibition Coal Mine vs. Pocahontas Historic District, which i didn't know anything about beforehand. Just feeling a bit stuck. No problem if you don't get to it, i will get unstuck sometime anyhow.

Nice work with adding pics for Georgia and DC and Delaware now; i still had those NHL lists on my watchlist. I know it is time-consuming to do the HABS locating and cropping and uploading and documenting. Or maybe you have a better system than i have been able to work out. It's really awesome how many pics you/we are getting, too. Cheers, doncram (talk) 05:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] lots of thanks

The Original Barnstar
You're amazing! For your great work illustrating hundreds of National Historic Landmark articles and lists! doncram (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC) (UTC)
Thank you. It has been interesting and fun. I just completed what I could find on New Jersey. Mississippi next! KudzuVine (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I am really enjoying seeing u proceed. By the way, wherever you see a pic in place that is just a photo of the historic person associated with a historic place, it would be great if you could replace it with a pic of the place, if you can find one. Some people like Dmadeo, who developed the List of NHLs in NJ, like to put in those, but i have come to dislike them. I'd rather have a blank, partly because that would be more inviting to someone out there to take a pic, partly because they are misleading (the article about the place never has the pic of the person) and i want the list-reader to be rewarded by a larger size pic when they go to the article. doncram (talk) 00:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I counted recently and know the total of NHL articles illustrated by photos is now over 1500, with most of recent increase due to you. By the way Massachusetts Hall, Bowdoin College, not on the NHL list, is one more with HABS available. doncram (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:GPN-2000-000041.jpg

I noticed you've uploaded Image:GPN-2000-000041.jpg. Please give uploaded images names that describe the contents of the image. GPN-2000-000041.jpg is not very recognizeable to the general public; something like "Mississippi Rocket Propulsion Test Complex.jpg" would be a lot more helpful. The current name makes the image difficult to track, and it is hard to tell what the image is of without actually looking at it. You may want to consider renaming the image to better reflect its contents. Thanks nonetheless for the addition to the List of National Historic Landmarks in Mississippi, though! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I almost always try to give a meaningful name. See any of my HABS photos - more will come for Mississippi soon. The exception is when the file exists on the internet. This will at least prevent another from uploading the same file with the same name. This view is debatable and there is no perfect answer. The file does have an appropriate NASA and Mississippi category.
I don't think that I have an easy way to rename the file. Template badname might work, but this relies on administrator in agreeing. I misnamed a HABS file with the wrong county. Since I also found the correct image in the correct county, I tried to rename. Then I used badname, but nothing happened. I tried speedy delete with an explanation. It finally took correspondence with the administrator. As I have said, most of my uploads now have very detailed on long names. This one does not. 23:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Registered Historic Places in the City of Angels

Hi. I'd be very pleased if you'd like to add pics to brand new List of Registered Historic Places in the City of Angels. I am going to try putting that up for DYK in today's starting batch, despite it having many red-links. More pics over the next few days would be especially helpful! Have a good one. doncram (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, i've been away a few days. Thank you for your prompt and substantial support. As you may have seen, Cbl62 stepped up to adding a lot more photos too. Here's a copy of DYK recognition received, i don't know why they didn't award it directly to you and to Cbl62 too, as I had requested. doncram (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On 20 May 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Also http://stats.grok.se/en/200805/List%20of%20Registered%20Historic%20Places%20in%20Los%20Angeles shows 2,728 hits on the article, peaking on the DYK day of course. Thanks again! doncram (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see that City of Angels is doing so well. I really did not find many pictures compared to many other states. And then one or two black & white HABS pictures got replaced by nicer and more recent color pictures. KudzuVine (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You go to SC or Clemson?

I noticed you are doing a lot of articles about South Carolina. Did you go to Clemson University by chance? Chris (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I have not been a student at either of this these fine institutions! Writing about National Register of Historic Places in South Carolina is fun because the South Carolina Department of Archives and History posts all the nomination forms. Also HABS/HAER has so many photographs -- especially in the Low Country. KudzuVine (talk) 13:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pics continued

I see u keep at it, which is great. FYI there are several sites which i labelled "HABS pics avail." in the List of NHLs in VA article, after you had gone through the less complete list.... :)

Historic photograph of the lighthouse tender USCGC Fir at sea with the Cape Flattery Light in the background.
Historic photograph of the lighthouse tender USCGC Fir at sea with the Cape Flattery Light in the background.

FYI, i think u added a pic of USCGC Fir (WLB-213) to the lighthouse tender article when a pic of USCGC Fir (WLM-212) was the one needed, so i created a new stub article for the 213 one and switched pics in the lighthouse tender article. I have not invested a lot in understanding those, so hope i have it right, think i do. Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You are correct about the lighthouse tender. USCGC Fir (WLB-213) is a buoy tender. I just jumped to the conclusion that it also did other aids to navigation like lighthouses. I realize that the lighthouses, in general, are not manned, but we still have offshore lighthouses. I just did Rock of Ages Light, which is such a lighthouse. They must be visited, but maybe there are no lighthouse tenders as the lighthouse tender pages says. the WLB-213 has sister ships so the infobox should be no problem. I will do that. In writing the Rock of Ages, I found that one of the shipwrecks, USS Puritan (1918) under a the name George M. Cox,, is an NRHP site and found the picture. This got me back to ships. I am currently trying to fill in WWI US L-class submarines.KudzuVine (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of RHPs in Chicago

And, browsing ur recent contributions, i see u have continued with ships! I wonder, though, if u could again be interested in searching out some HABS or other pictures, this time for the list of Chicago NRHPs in the Chicago section of List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois/Temp. That is a temporary article, with table format. i plan to spin off the Chicago section into its own article, and want to get a DYK for it, as i did with the List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles that you helped with. In this Chicago list, i have already gone through the all the NHLs that are among the NRHPs, in order to ensure that any photos that you or others uploaded for the NHLs are represented. But there a bunch of NRHPs that are not also NHLs, for which no one has ever searched for pics yet. Anyhow, hope u are well. Thanks! doncram (talk) 05:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in! As you see i have dropped the descriptions column (temporarily so table can look good for DYK, then to be added later). I put notes from some descriptions already there in new Talk page section of Talk: List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois. Also i renumbered the list. Sorry if i caused any edit conflict for you. I am done for now, have at it as you like now. Will spin off Chicago article tomorrow maybe. Lvklock seems to be helping, too, was starting on descriptions, just before i deleted the column. Thanks. doncram (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
It is looking good. The new pics freshen it up for those editors familiar with Chicago area sites already. Hey, would you do the honors of starting the List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago artilce, and moving the Chicago table to it? (With that, and with me submitting the DYK, I am sure i could get you and me both direct credit for DYK, which i would like.) The table is ready, and a 1500 intro text summarizing it won't be hard to write during the next 4 days. Perhaps the DYK hook could be something like "Did you know ... that Chicago has 296 places listed on the National Register, but no ships except for a German U-boat?". Or "Did you know... that Chicago has 12 parks, ___ commercial buildings, and ___ individual homes listed on the National Register?". Not too exciting, either of those but the hook-crafting will get better. doncram (talk) 19:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for suggesting that I upload the page. I am afraid that back to home repairs. I have to replace a door this weekend after replacing my water heater last weekend. I did the photos that you had indicated. I looked for others with little success, but I will get back to it. I put in two pictures for train/subway stations that were on the respective webpages, but I hardly think that is the reason for NHRP. Certainly, the building is the issue and not a photo of a nearly generic station. I don't know anything about the historic districts to determine if HABS has any pictures. But many of the individual buildiings/houses do not have any HABS photos. It will need an interested Chicagoan with a camera to fill in much of it. KudzuVine (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, local Chicagoans will have to step in to develop the list-article further, and they may well get started if they see the DYK about it. About creating the List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago article, that link shows as a blue-link because it has been in existence as a redirect to "List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois". To create the article as a real article, you need to get to the redirect, for example by following the link, then at the top of "List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois" you will see: "(Redirected from List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago)" and then click on that, to go to the redirect page itself. Then erase the redirect line, and paste in the entire Chicago section, with a suitable edit title like "create the RHPs in Chicago list-article with table, including many photos".
I created the page List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago, removed Chicago sites from the List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois with a link given to List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago. The Temp page has not yet been changed. Thanks for your help and doing most of the work! KudzuVine (talk) 19:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)