User talk:Kudret abi

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[edit] January 2008

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Contents 1 January 2008 1.1 Welcome! 2 Duplicate images uploaded 3 Something for you 4 Barnstar 5 WP:FU 6 Replaceable fair use Image:HargitayInLawAndOrder02.jpg 7 Orphaned non-free image (Image:HargitayInLawAndOrder02.jpg) 8 Civility Barnstar 9 Vandalism 10 AIV 11 Re: {{Infobox actor}} 12 Great fire of Smyrna 13 Actors 14 User:Wiikipedian 15 National University of Colombia 16 Fattythatsme 17 Sorry 18 Re: University of Santo Tomas 19 An error in your AWB infobox fix 20 Infobox Guitarist 21 How do you do it? 22 Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) 23 Jake Gyllenhaal + {{Infobox actor}} 24 == Help appreciated == 25 It wasn't personal analysis 26 Ataturk 27 Fair use rationale for Image:PacinoIn88Minutes01.jpg 28 fair use 29 our friend 30 SineBot 31 JetLover's IP abuser 32 Rihanna 33 Random Smile! 34 Dreadstar RfA 34.1 Credits 35 September 2007 36 Barneca RfA thank you spam 37 The now-traditional RFA thank-spam 37.1 Credits 38 RFA Thanks! 39 Secret Barnstar 40 Elisha Cuthbert, moving on... 41 Cillian Murphy FAC 42 you found my secret page 43 Thanks! 44 Fabrictramp RFA 45 Alloplastic adaptation 46 Thanks 47 Elisha Cuthbert again 48 RCP 49 Uchiha23's Secret subpage 50 NASCAR Fan24's Secret Page! 51 Thanks for the support. 52 Bearian's RfA 53 My recent RfA 54 Category pages 55 Reattempt 56 Help desk 57 List of birds of India 58 Non-free image in infobox 59 Biography MOS issue 60 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 61 Replaceable fair use Image:Hansen02.jpg 62 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Sebo kucuk01.JPG) 63 Speedy deletion of Template:X8/doc 64 Awards Center Newsletter

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[edit] Duplicate images uploaded

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[edit] Something for you

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		To Kudret abi, for a simple but very clever improvement to the Infobox actor template. Now the lists of awards, which are often quite lengthy, can be displayed easily when required, or neatly hidden away when not needed. Well done! Rossrs 13:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thanks a lot for the barnstar, but it's really you who deserves all the credit (and I see Rossrs beat me too it!) for doing all the work. I'm just a guy with an opinion, a keyboard, and an internet connection. :) PC78 20:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from me too! I think it's great that the three of us have been able to chat about this and although we haven't agreed on every single thing, it's been very smooth and productive. Rossrs 22:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:FU

Your violation of WP:FU on Mariska Hargitay has been reverted. We are not permitted to use fair-use images to depict living people. --Yamla 14:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Once again, fair-use images may not be used to depict living people. Please reread WP:FU. --Yamla 16:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not done with the image and its explanation yet, please be patient. Thanks -- Kudret abi 16:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Make sure you read WP:FU before making any further edits to the image. --Yamla 16:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the help Yamla, I will make a better image showing not just her, but her acting in Law and Order and put it in the body of the text instead of the infobox. But I would appreciate it you please do not cross out my text and just add your comments below. Best, -- Kudret abi 16:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:HargitayInLawAndOrder02.jpg

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[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:HargitayInLawAndOrder02.jpg)

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[edit] Civility Barnstar

My goodness, thank you for awarding me my first barnstar! Your words were so kind, and now I feel like a true Wikipedian. I've very much enjoyed joining the discussion at Template talk:Infobox actor, and I must commend you on your fine work over there. Thanks so much for making me feel so welcomed! --Melty girl 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Hey, sorry about the vandalism on Template:Asteroid but our internet was unsecured for a few days and people accessed it. I hope this doesn't count towards a record or something.

[edit] AIV

Thank you for making a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators generally only block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. Thank you. Jmlk17 06:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: {{Infobox actor}}

My bad.

What's wrong with my edit? WP:AGF

Wiikipedian

[edit] Great fire of Smyrna

Hi Kudret, can you please check this article from time to time as you were doing, there is this guy called Kekrops, a continuous POV pusher who keep changing things..Regards..--laertes d 09:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Actors

Great idea I've seen what you've done now it keeps silver by death date and blocks out colors other than silver or gold. Great!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 11:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes its good. However I think I am the only one who prefers the silver to the yellow!!! Is there any way we could alter the yellow so it is the gold as it is intended to be? I'm certain a gold frame rather than yellow would look more appealing. What do you think? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

For instance #CFB53B ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. For classic actors like Clark Gable and Greta Garbo etc I think the silver looks terrific. I'm very glad you have the intelligence to fromat it so people don't come up with all different colrs -I've seen green and pink!!! Its not of prime importance to wikipedia but if you browsw through many articles you do notice color and I want them to look as good as possible. You are welcome to join WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers which I set up. We need as many good users as possible. Where should I propose the gold color? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 18:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

What 'bout just a specific imagesize for the image?

Wiikipedian

Ah - Maybe I'm just fussy. I only want our articles to look as sharp as possible - it really is ok as it is. Welcome to the project!!!! If there is anyody else you know who would be interested by all means let them know and invite them to join. WP Films started quite slowly and we now have over 300 members. I'm kind of bogged down with work to worry too muvh of color yet!!! I'm compiling an entire List of American films amidst all my work on Taiwan, Tibet, Cambodia etc (I'm a bit obsessed with the far east and films!!). Hopefully it will be completed with all the details and even plot summaries of 110 years of US movies!!! -Ambitious isn't it!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 19:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Wiikipedian

Given you're having problems with him at the moment as well, I thought you might like to comment — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 09:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been advised that opening a WP:RFC might be a good idea. I'm going to bed, and will look at that when I've calmed down. If I do, I hope I can get your support, or if you chose to open one you can count on mine - just let me know. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 09:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, looks lke he got a 24 hour block. I'm going to leave it for now, but if he exhibits such annoying behaviour even once after getting unblocked, I'm going to WP:RFC him. It's thoroughly annoying that he refuses to provide edit summaries, blanks his talk page, and doesn't seem to question why people are reverting his edits.— Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 16:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, having looked at the WP:RFC guidelines, it seems the right thing to do is keep an eye on him, and if he continues to make inappropriate edits, we shoudl continue to try and educate him via his talk page. Obviously if he's breaking things repeatedly (like templates!) that may need intervention, but hopefully it won't come to that. Maybe his edit block will have given him something to think about.— Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 23:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National University of Colombia

I did not suppress information, it complements and it illustrates of one better form which already was contained in that page, by the way it was an offensive content, and I thought that it had to take part and to correct everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.244.249.5 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 13 August 2007

[edit] Fattythatsme

I have blocked the user. Thanks for the work. Keegan^talk 04:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, JetLover ^(talk) 04:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Always a pleasure!

[edit] Sorry

Sorry for the wii edit. It was just a silly mistake. Oda Mari 18:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

PS I was sure when I edited. Something like this happened yesterday. Maybe it's a result of some kind of an edit conflict. Anyway, please forgive me. Oda Mari 18:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. Sigh. Please remember that I never intentionally did Vandalism and never will. Thank you and best regards. Oda Mari 06:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: University of Santo Tomas

"Utot sabay tae" is actually a well known nickname for the university, expecially amongst students of the University of the Philippines, just so you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.33.146 (talk • contribs)

[edit] An error in your AWB infobox fix

You need to fix your AWB box switch. It's leaving an improperly formatted musician infobox that's missing several key fields including the notable instruments field. Also... it's carrying over the audio sample field from the guitarist box which is, unfortunately, not a part of the musician box. Thought you'd like to know before any more botched AWB switches take place. 156.34.221.221 03:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, thanks a lot for letting me know, the previews looked OK, but I will check again, can you please point me to a specific example? Kudret abi 03:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I checked again and all seems to be fine except the audio sample field, which I will remove. I am not sure what you meant by improper formatting, but I am guessing you meant some of the parameters appearing on the same line, so I will address that. Also the notable instruments field is an optional field and it will only appear if it was specified as notable guitars in the original guitarist infobox. I hope this addresses your questions, if not please let me know. Best, Kudret abi 03:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

My quick observation was that your autofix is going "field-for-field" which... technically isn't correct as the 2 boxes have their field in a different order from one another. The final result ends up still having an 'audio sample' field at the bottom. The musician infobox should have the notable instrument field at the bottom. The background field end up clunked in at the top of the box. The landscape field as well as the occupation and instrument fields don't end up in the final product. I don't see the birth name field either. Hope that helps. 156.34.221.221 03:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is true, the orders could be different but this does not make a difference as the parameters are assigned by their names. This is also the way I would do it if I was not using AWB. Also please note that the landscape and notable instruments fields are optional. The former, I fix by hand if the picture is landscape and omit if it is not. The latter will only appear if there is a notable guitars field in the original guitarist template, and will be omitted otherwise. I do not see a problem with this as these parameters and optional and will simply be ignored anyway if they are empty. The birth name field was also not part of the guitarist template so that information can not be found in any of these templates so there is no need to include that parameter in the new infobox. Our goal here was to get rid of all transclusions of the depreciated template without breaking the articles, so that we can delete them or redirect them to musical artist. I hope that this explanation is sufficient, but please let me know if you have any more comments or suggestions. Best, Kudret abi 03:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Guitarist

Very interesting. How did you get my name? Why did you notify me? I don't have a single edit on the Guitarist infobox... hbdragon88 06:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do you do it?

How do you replace deprecated infoboxes with AWB? FMAFan1990 06:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)

hi Kudret you may want to present your ideas in this article, there isnt much person dealing with this article right now and im a bit bored dealing with POV pushers..Regards..--laertes d 17:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok thanks, article is now locked for three days anyway..problem here is another Greek nationalist POV pusher, or an old user named Alexius making again sockpuppetry, keep adding unsourced material into the article for the last two days..Thanks again for your concern..--laertes d 17:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Where did you get the figure of 100,000 Turkish dead in the destruction of Smyrna? It cannot be from Marjorie Housepian's book. Please reveal your sources (and if possible your motivations).--Tedblack 12:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jake Gyllenhaal + {{Infobox actor}}

Hey, nice to hear from you! Are you on an infobox run? I still haven't had time to learn more about building infoboxes. As for Jake Gyllenhaal, I've added some things and I've guarded against vandalism, but I haven't done all that much there. Today was crazy though -- article of the day status brought all the crazies and homophobes out of the woodwork vandalizing every few minutes. I haven't been around Wiki as an editor for all that long, and I've never seen anything like it. Plus a somewhat silly argument about calling Gyllenhaal's Brokeback Mountain character a "gay cowboy." Oh dear. In happier news, I'm very proud to have brought an article to GA status for the first time today: Cillian Murphy. Very satisfying, if overly obsessive. --Melty girl 03:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] == Help appreciated ==

Hey Kudret abi! Since ya added the [show] / [hide] to the {{Infobox actor}}, can ya please help me fix the [show] / [hide] in the {{Infobox television}}¿ Ty! Wikipedian 03:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but they reverted it. Can ya please help me make the "common ratings" [show]¿ I've move it to my User:Wiikipedian/Infobox television. Ty! Wikipedian 12:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It wasn't personal analysis

What I wrote was completely NPOV. Mitsos 21:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ataturk

please explain to me how quoting (lit.) from a historical source is vandalism. i can provide you with numerous references from the time magazine, from biographies about ataturk and even encyclopedias which detail the crimes committed by this man. it is shameful and cowardly to hide the truth; if you think i'm making all of this up then i would like to challenge you to prove that the facts quoted are wrong; i don't deny the fact that he fought along side many turkish soldiers to save turkey from enemy hands however the truth about him must be revealed so as to stop people deifying him and attributing turkey's success solely to him. wikipedia is a source of facts not half truths or fantasies.. i don't believe what i'm doing is wrong, if you disagree let's open it up for discussion amongst the wikipedia community.

p.s. it is also childish for you to threaten me; a mature response would have been for you contact me and ask me for an explanation.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, you will be blocked from editing. Kudret abi 17:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:PacinoIn88Minutes01.jpg

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Thank you for adding a fair use rationale for the Al Pacino article. – Ilse@ 22:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fair use

hello,can you please provide a fair use rationale for the image that you have uploaded of chris hansen??thank youGrandia01 05:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] our friend

FYI. [1]  — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 14:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Wheeee! That's my first one! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 19:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

test test

[edit] SineBot

{{helpme}} I suspect that for some reason SineBot may not be automatically signing unsigned comments on my talk page but I want to make sure so could someone leave an unsigned comment on my talk. Thank you. --Kudret abi 06:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay......

SineBot does try to err on the side of caution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timotab (talk • contribs) 06:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Bah, not fair! :D KTC 06:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

There you go. I think it may think that a small edit is actually an edit/change rather than a new comment. If you're referring to the person who complained about your revert of suspected vandalism, they copied your edit, which made SineBot think it was already signed. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 06:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and KTC has no mojo ;) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 06:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] JetLover's IP abuser

Hi there. I saw you reverted someone who has been attacking User:JetLover recently [2] If you see similar attacks from a similar IP, please can you add that IP and information to this abuse report? Wikipedia:Abuse reports/bezeq. Thanks — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 23:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rihanna

I've reverted this edit you made to the Rihanna article. As I stated, the image is owned by Getty Images. It has been previously uploaded to the Commons as Image:Rihanna.jpg and deleted since the Flickr user who uploaded it does not hold the copyright. I notified the Commons admin who deleted it, but he hasn't responded, so there's now a deletion request. 17Drew 05:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smile!

[edit] Dreadstar RfA

Thanks for your support! I took the easy way out of thanking everyone by stealing borrowing someone else's card design...but know that I sincerely appreciate your support and confidence in me! Thanks for asking about my health. I'm feeling wonderful...! My last surgery was an enormous success and I'm feeling better than ever. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness.. Dreadstar † 09:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] September 2007

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. It appears you have not followed this policy at Great Fire of Smyrna. Please always observe our core policies. Thank you. --Tedblack 11:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barneca RfA thank you spam

Kudret abi, thank you for your support during my RfA, and for asking your question and giving me the benefit of the doubt as well. I'll keep all of the comments in mind in the coming months, and will try again later. In the mean time, if you see me doing something stupid, please let me know. See you around. --barneca (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The now-traditional RFA thank-spam

[edit] RFA Thanks!

Thanks for your participation for my RFA bid and for your support.--JForget 23:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Great Fire of Smyrna. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.--Tedblack 15:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secret Barnstar

Here you go! You earned it!

		The Secret Page Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Kudret abi for finding the secret page on Some Person's user page! Great job!

—Some Person 18:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elisha Cuthbert, moving on...

in the interests of moving on, I've made a proposal at Talk:Elisha_Cuthbert#So_that_we_can_move_on.... Please express your opinion. Thank you. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 19:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cillian Murphy FAC

If you have the time and inclination to review: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Cillian_Murphy. Hope all is well. Thanks, Melty girl 01:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking out my user page. I finally caught the user box bug, no? Looking forward to your feedback. :) --Melty girl 03:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I just responded on the other side but thanks for not depriving me of the pleasure of seeing the orange new message bar, I really like it :) --Kudret abi^Talk 04:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 :) Thanks so, so much for taking the time to do such a thorough review of the article. Your commitment to the process is very admirable, and I also just appreciate that you took the time to honor my request to review. Thank you! --Melty girl 05:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if you have time to return to the review, I'd really appreciate it. I'm experiencing the strange circumstance of a reviewer saying that the article needs extensive copyediting, and then this reviewer actually went in and made some edits. As far as I can see, the edits were actually unnecessary, and in some cases weaken the article factually or in terms of the prose. I'm kind of confused as to what to do -- not sure if you can do anything, but if you have suggestions, or would care to jump in and comment on the reviewer's edits, that would be great! Let me know if you have any advice. Thanks, Melty girl 17:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Weird about TW, eh? I've never checked out those scripts myself. Anyway, thanks for trying to help out... I'm running around a little bit now, but I'm going to work some on the article and the review page later. In the meantime, I'll just say that I'm not sure whether to still try and meet the needs of the early reviewer who was so adamant about citations in the lead, because it seems like he's done an oppose-and-run. I asked him a long time ago to return to the review page to see my response to his review, as per the FA recommendations, but he hasn't. Meanwhile, no one else wants citations in the lead. What do you think? Also, I'm at a loss for what to do about the new reviewer who seems to have a desire to rewrite the article despite an absence of real copyediting problems. As a Wikipedian, I appreciate the reviewer's willingness to enter into the process, and I'm happy to engage with anyone who has insightful, valid points to make -- and I have always done so. But I feel at a loss for what to do when someone, in my view, worsens the quality of the writing while telling me (incorrectly) that the writing badly needed improvement. So your honest assessment regarding these latest changes would be very, very welcome. --Melty girl 18:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your wise comments and kind words. Today I have to tackle the issue of the weak edits. Sigh. Seems like it could be a losing proposition in terms of FA, but ultimately, I'd rather the article be the best it could be, even if it is unable to obtain an official top rating right now, due to luck of the draw in terms of reviewers. I think your comment about the blue eyes phrase is insightful, and it is certainly interesting to me that a second reviewer has misquoted the phrase. This phenomenon is one of the things about WP that I find disappointing. Even as we live in a world that puts a huge premium on good looks for performers, Wikipedians are uncomfortable acknowledging this truly verifiable reality of what so many performers are famous for. It's almost a kind of sexual repression, and definitely a denial of how the entertainment business operates in a looks-conscious society. And hey, it's not like the lead says "Cillian Murphy is a gorgeous actor who is famous because he's the sexiest actor working today," or something idiotic like that! It just says that he often noted by the press for his eyes -- and that's amply discussed below in the article and is verifiable just from reading the titles of the articles in the references section. Anyway, sorry to vent. It's a complicated issue, more complicated than I'm managing to get across here. I have many problems with the way the world works and which performers get the jobs... but that's another story... Thanks for your help! --Melty girl 22:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message! I guess we are both tired these days. I can't quite seem to kick my cold -- the fever part is exhausting. But I think it's turning around. Are you an insomniac? Since I have quit coffee, I have fewer problems on that score. Anyway, yes, we are in agreement about the looks topic. It seems ludicrous that so many Wikipedians always remove or reject language about a performer's looks, no matter how it's expressed. It's an overly simplistic way to read articles and it leaves Wikipedia inaccurate and denying reality. Aren't we supposed to report what a person is best known for as per WP:MOSBIO?

What you describe about academia is very interesting. I witnessed a similar thing when I was at art school, though luckily, not in the music department where I was -- everyone was very supportive there, and music is mostly a collaborative art form. I saw it in the art school. My friends there were often very frustrated with the critique process, because people were so often reflexively negative. That's sad about some of the "big guys in the field" that you describe. All of these different types of review processes can be so challenging, because to varying degrees, you're putting your ego out there for anyone to stomp on. I'm taking a break from music for many life reasons, but that's one of the things that does get tiring about doing original music that's not pop. Sometimes I think you have to be an egomaniac to get through it. And the FAC process... it's democratic, but it seems like a real crap shoot as to the particular small group of people who actually participate in a given review. My two objectors seem to be a person who prides himself on his participation in assessment activities but quickly dismissed the article without a thorough read because of the aforementioned looks fallacy, and a seemingly well-intentioned reviewer who's not as well-informed about grammar and effective writing as she thinks she is but wants to put her stamp on the article. But what can you do? I'd rather the article be a strong resource on the topic than an FA of reduced quality, and at this point, since I've done such an extensive "literature review," I know it is the most comprehensive resource on Cillian Murphy of short length that exists online, and that's what Wikipedia is for. Now I suppose I could have played the game with the latter reviewer, and let her do whatever she wanted to the article, then changed it back after FA was awarded, but that seemed unprincipled to me -- and also, something stubborn in me felt that she should know for future FACs that her copyediting is not infallible. I don't know if she's even going to come back to finish the discussion of those edits... Oh well -- I knew beforehand that I was taking a risk in rejecting her take on the prose. Raul will probably close the review tomorrow. I just wish the subject matter could have attracted more reviewers.

Anyway, it's very nice to vent with you! I hope you get some rest and relaxation soon. --Melty girl 16:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] you found my secret page

for you! --Pupster21 Talk To Me 11:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

		My RFA
		Thanks for your support in my request for adminship, which ended with 58 supports, 1 opposes, and 1 neutral. I hope your confidence in me proves to be justified. Addhoc 19:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fabrictramp RFA

Thank you for your support in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 50 supports, 1 neutral, and 1 oppose. My goal is to keep earning your trust every time I grab the "mop". (And I'm always open to constructive criticism and advice!) Again, thanks. --Fabrictramp 17:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alloplastic adaptation

Hi, Thanks for creating this article. It's been on the things to do list for a long time. Bearian 20:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my User page. Best wishes. Oda Mari (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elisha Cuthbert again

Just when you thought it was all over, a new issue has arisen. Your input it welcomed: Talk:Elisha Cuthbert#Birth place. Thanks! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 18:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the "vandalism" I guess my boyfriend thought he was being funny under my username. Though they really should reconsider Bill O'Reilly's salary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imabandit (talk • contribs) 20:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RCP

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		Regarding the Award Centre. Well done. Auroranorth 06:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uchiha23's Secret subpage

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[edit] NASCAR Fan24's Secret Page!

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You found the page by means other than looking in contribs lists or Special:Prefixindex, so the award is yours. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 21:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the support.

Hello Kudret,

Thank you very much for coming out in support of my RfA; it was successful, and I have been promoted.

I just wanted to express my appreciation for your brief but valuable remarks at my RfA. It meant a lot. Please feel free to contact me if you need help with actions requiring administrative access; I shall do my best to assist you. Cheers, --Aarktica 02:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bearian's RfA

Hi, thanks for supporting my RfA, which passed 63 to 1. I hope that I am doing a good job so far. Bearian 21:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My recent RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA, which unfortunately didn't succeed. The majority of the opposes stated that I needed more experience in the main namespace and Wikipedia namespace, so that is what I will do. I will go for another RfA in two month's time and I hope you will be able to support me then as well. If you have any other comments for me or wish to be notified when I go for another RfA, please leave them on my talk page. If you wish to nominate me for my next RfA, please wait until it has been two months. Thanks again for participating in my RfA! -- Cobi^(t|c|b|cn) 02:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category pages

Hi! Was looking at the category Female Film Directors and was surprised to see you listed there -- well, to see your Sandbox/Sandbox3 listed! Do you really want those to show up? Maybe it's a temporary thing... Cheers, Melty girl 18:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reattempt

Hi there -- haven't seen you around much lately, so I hope all is well. Just wanted to let you know that I've renominated Cillian Murphy for FA -- it got closed with 8 supports and 3 opposes, and one of the latter has encouraged me to renominate. If you have the time, I would love to have your support again. Thanks! Melty girl 01:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in. I'm very excited that the attained FA status! I didn't think it would happen. I hope your busy-ness (sp?) is due to good things happening in your life. --Melty girl 19:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

So sorry to hear that things are hard right now. You are missed around here. I hope things turn around. --Melty girl 17:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Job change? Ugh, I'm sorry to hear it. You really must be going through a lot right now. I hope you're getting some support. Funny to hear that you're owned by a cat too. And yes, it's still early yet (11 weeks), so I felt a little superstitious about putting up that userbox, but in a moment of hopefulness and happiness, I posted it! :) --Melty girl (talk) 08:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for dealing with that image weirdness. I wasn't sure what was OK to do. --Melty girl (talk) 08:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, here we go with the vandalism, eh? I just requested protection and was turned down. It's going to be a long day. Hey, thanks for your note -- I'm doing fine... trying to move from hesitancy into believing that this new creature is really going to happen. Still on the cusp though and a big test to decide about. So we'll see. I hope everything is moving ahead for you, and that you're not too overwhelmed. --Melty girl (talk) 04:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear you're feeling somewhat relieved already. Sometimes just making the decision can help, so that's good news. Yeah, the page protection thing... there's always something new to learn around here. I guess a day of even worse WP addiction than usual is ahead of me! :) --Melty girl (talk) 05:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help desk

Hello Spellcast, I noticed that you are currently around and that you do some work on images so could you provide some assistance on the following: Wikipedia:Help_desk#Question_on_tag_for_image.. Thank you. --Kudret abi^Talk 02:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kudret, it seems the license of Billboard images isn't as simple as living people. But I've added in my two cents. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can also help out :) Spellcast 02:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Anytime. I think our image policy would challenge a copyright lawyer. :)--Kubigula (talk) 05:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of birds of India

Hi, I just wanted to thank you about your help in List of birds of India. This is exactly what I wanted. DSachan 12:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-free image in infobox

I noticed that you removed a non-free image from an infobox citing WP:FU.[3] I took at quick look at WP:FU and couldn't find anything about it there and was wondering if it's maybe listed in some other location? Or maybe you could direct me to the relevant passage in WP:FU? Thanks! –panda (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I was looking for this recently too, but couldn't find it. Everyone always refers to this in regard to actor article infoboxes. --Melty girl (talk) 22:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Panda and Melty girl, I think I meant to say WP:FUC; it is the first criteria listed there. To be honest, I also learned this rule when I was warned about adding a FU image to an infobox (see User_talk:Kudret_abi#Replaceable_fair_use_Image:HargitayInLawAndOrder02.jpg). --Kudret abi^Talk 04:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I actually don't see anything in WP:FUC either that states that they shouldn't be used in infoboxes. Would you mind quoting the relevant text? (I'm watching your talk page so you can reply here.) –panda (talk) 04:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

"No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." I think this is what people usually refer to when saying FU images are not acceptable in infoboxes. I believe the argument is that the aim of an image in Fator's infobox is to depict what he looks like, and since he is a living person, a free equivalent can be generated because someone could take a picture of Fator and release it under a free license. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 05:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Makes a lot of sense, thanks. I was looking for something unnecessarily specific. --Melty girl (talk) 16:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Could you post a comment about this in Talk:Terry Fator#Info box picture? –panda (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You may be interested in the comments in Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Infoboxes. –panda (talk) 23:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biography MOS issue

If you have time, your take on this would be much appreciated: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Amendment_to_.22Subsequent_uses_of_names.22_section. Also see the above section. Hope the move is going well! --Melty girl (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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