User talk:Kudpung

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Contents 1 AOC additions to the Rhône region 2 AOC additions to the Rhône wine region 3 Education in Thailand 4 Thai lunar calendar 5 Rocket Festival 6 See also

[edit] AOC additions to the Rhône region

Hello Kudpung. Nice to see that you add material on Rhône wines. I saw that you wrote about 10 appellations being added to Rhône in 2004, including Costières de Nîmes AOC. Do you have any details, and preferably an online reference (in French, if need be) for this? The reason I ask is that as far as I've noticed, the individual AOC rules don't specify which region an AOC belongs to. Therefore, I'm curious how this is decided "officially", and would like to make sure that we have the right information in our encyclopedia. Costières de Nîmes used to be in eastern Languedoc, and it sort of surprises me to hear that such borders are being moved. (Although I can understand the commercial motivation, Rhône wine being a lot more easy to sell than those from Languedoc-Roussillon.) This was written by Tomas e (talk) 16:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC), who forgot to sign at the time

[edit] AOC additions to the Rhône wine region

Answered this on your talk page. Thanks. Kudpung (talk) 17:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung, you recently left a comment on my talk page, but was it meant for User:Tomas e? « D. Trebbien (talk) 04:24 2008 April 19 (UTC)

Hello, I've now read your reply. Apparently I forgot to sign it, so it was perhaps not obvious that I was the one responsible. It would really be good if we can clear this one up, including year and what form the decision took, because other sources differ in where they put CdN. The usually most reliable source, Oxford Companion to Wine (2006 Ed., p. 205) places it in Rhône and says "In French wine politics, it used to be considered part of the eastern Languedoc", but doesn't metion a year. A 2006 Edition of a Swedish wine book used for many courses (but plagued by many errors...) and my 2001 Ed of the World Atlas of Wine both place it in Languedoc. So does www.terroir-france.com, which seems to be an online source trusted by many... Tomas e (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Once again back to CdN. I found some different version of the "which AOC belongs to which regional committee" list on INAOs website. It appeared that they moved CdN to Rhône in 2004, but in the previous version from 1998, it was still listed as in L-R. Have a look yourself! Therefore I reinterpreted the reply you got, and changed the statement saying that they made their request in 1998. Probably French ministries and governmental agencies take a while to act... Tomas e (talk) 21:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Education in Thailand

My recent contribution increased this very small stub to an article. I've read the comments on your talk pages. Editing, contribution, and expansion are probably better than criticism of style and of what's missing (talk page guidelines) all editors are invited to improve it. I have started the article's discussion page by copying some comments to it.Kudpung (talk) 19:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy with your contributions! I contributed the Thaification paragraph, but won't cry if some other editor deletes it. If you've been to my user page, then you know I'm no scholar, so I'll just be watching the article without making further edits. I live right by Yasothon city, so let me know if you ever come to its Rocket Festival. I'm not happy with that article, either, despite my extensive contributions to it. As presently written, it is not really an encyclopedia article and would be more at home on Wikitravel. Pawyilee (talk) 09:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

===Costières de Nîmes AOC=== Full entry created from the two-line stub.

===Clairette de Die AOC=== Full entry created from the two-line stub. Incorporated the other AOCs from the Die region.

===Côtes du Luberon AOC=== Creation from stub to a full article.

===Côtes de Ventoux AOC=== Created.

===Coteaux de Tricastin AOC=== Creation from a 2-line stub.

===Coteaux de Pierrevert AOC=== Created.

===Côtes du Vivarais AOC=== Creation.

[edit] Thai lunar calendar

Thai lunar calendar is rather important because many articles refer to it for clarification of lunatic dates, but it is also rather a mess. I'm currently working on revising it in my Sandbox. Could you take time to check it out in both places? Pawyilee (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You may not know anything about the Thai lunar calendar per se, but you DO know how to write lucidly in English! Talk:Thai lunar calendar has a plea to "wikify" the article to conform with the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style, and I would have done that, myself, if only I were better at following directions! I also lack a broadband connection to the Internet at my home. I've just checked the Talk pages of the other editors who also posted comments, including the one who calls it 'his child', but they seem to have too many irons in the fire at present to get back to Thai lunar calendar issues. Pawyilee (talk) 03:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rocket Festival

I'm not sure what you mean by "include your Rocket Festival in the culture section of the much revered article on Isan." For one, I released all rights to whatever I put there when I clicked Save page. For another, I lack references to rocket festival practices outside of Yasothon. As for Tossa, Wajuppa (1990)'s Phādāēng Nāng Ai : a translation of a Thai-Isan folk epic in verse, that includes bibliographical references (ISBN 0838751393), the "3000-word poem translated to English from this rich Thai-Isan tradition… especially well known to the Thai audience, having been designated as secondary school supplementary reading by the Thai Ministry of Education", I've not read it in either language. Ajarn Wajuppa <wajuppa@yahoo.com> lectures at the university in Mahasarakham. Her specialty is storytelling. Pawyilee (talk) 04:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You wrote, The rocket festival is not confined to Yasothon. It's pretty much all over Isan, that's why I asked how you would feel about your article appearing on the Isan page. It was only a suggestion - I would certainly not consider modifying or moving it without discussing it first.

Nor are they confined to Isan. Candle festivals are also pretty much all over Isan, too, though none as spectacular as the Ubon Ratchathani Candle Festival, which was Yasothon city's inspiration for its annual rocket festival. Other locales stage rocket festivals only as they can afford them; being less costly, candle festivals are more common. Note the article is currently missed named: Bun Bang Fai would be more proper. Bun is from Sanskrit puṇya, Pāli puñña for Merit (Buddhism). Anthropologists will tell you that Merit-making is an aspect of Gift culture, and is by no means confined to a hypothetical after-life, but generates commercial benefits in real time. It was a long time in the making, but Yasothon's commercial success has inspired themed festivals in other Isan provinces. The somewhat related Bang Fai Phaya Nak or Naga fireballs are of great antiquity, but new festivals are popping up all over, with older festivals taking on more of a tourist-y aspect. The Asian Financial Crisis inspired the King's Thai-chuay-Thai Thai-help-Thai programme, which became a springboard for the Tourism Authority of Thailand to promote tours by Thai people in Thailand, and greater commercialization of festivals. Another aspect is the promotion of national unity. I put this quote into the rocket festival article: "Anthropology Professor Charles F. Keyes advises, 'In recognition of the deep-seated meaning of certain traditions for the peoples of the societies of mainland Southeast Asia, the rulers of these societies have incorporated some indigenous symbols into the national cultures that they have worked to construct in the postcolonial period.' That is somewhat outdated as we're well past the postcolonial period, but has carried over to promoting what you could call harmonious diversity. (I thought I just made that up, but Google came up with 12,500 cites in 0.22 ceconds!) So, you see, this is a lot more complicated than the Thai lunar calendar. Enjoy your trip. Pawyilee (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] See also

The real expert on things cultural in Isan is Dr. Srisakra Vallibhotama, anthropologist and visiting history lecturer at many universities. User:Panabol, whom I think must be one of his disciples, initiated the following articles, though none have a bearing on Isan:

• Initial_states_of_Thailand initiated 09:36, 5 July 2007
• Javaka, initiated 17:31, 27 June 2007
• Lavo, initiated 18:14, 28 June 2007
• Tambralinga turned from a redirect into an article at 08:34, 27 June 2007.
• Suvarnabhumi initiated 12:41, 6 July 2007
• Singhanavati initiated 10:22, 10 July 2007
• Pre-historic_Thailand, initiated 10:45, 21 July 2007

I left a note on Panabol's Talk page, 14 September 2007, but he never responded. Pawyilee (talk) 05:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)