User talk:Kuban kazak/Metro

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[edit] Template

I noticed that you removed the Okhotny Ryad/Ploshchad Revolyutsii transfer from the Sokolnicheskaya Line and Arbatsko-Pokrovskaya Line templates. Although it is true that no direct transfer exists between these two stations, passengers are nevertheless able to transfer from one to the other via Teatralnaya so I feel the current versions of the templates are misleading. The stations are not directly connected, but they are part of the same transfer complex and should be shown as such in the templates. The stations' articles should mention that they are not directly connected to each other, of course, but the transfer should still be shown in the templates since it is possible to transfer from one to the other. Camerafiend 03:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Nevertheless these transfers are not even announced in trains, which is why they go. We had lengthy discussion on ru:wikipedia about them and ended with majority being against them mentioning. The station articles must mention them however. Also please stick with British spelling for convention with rest of article. Thanks for the additions though. --Kuban kazak 09:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Just because it is not announced does not mean it does not exist. I still think it is misleading to leave this transfer off the templates, regardless of the consensus on ru:wikipedia. Passengers can walk from one station to the other without leaving the Metro, which by any standard should be considered a transfer. As for British spelling, I do try to use it when I remember to, for the sake of consistency. I'm not accustomed to British spelling though, which is why I miss things a lot of the time. Camerafiend 02:17, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
It is not misleading which is why these stations are mentioned in the station articles themselves and they are part of the metro which is why monorail is not even mentioned in the article. Sorry if you want a vote I can invite ru wikipedian users (of whom majority live in Moscow and use these transfers) to express their opinion here. --Kuban kazak 13:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
You're not even making sense anymore. "They are part of the metro"... therefore they should be omitted? I have provided concrete reasons why the transfer should be included. You haven't provided any justification for omitting it except an appeal to a "majority" from ru wikipedia and the fact that it is not announced on trains, which does not mean it does not exist. I have used this transfer and can verify that it does in fact exist. If you can't back up your argument, by all means feel free to find someone who can. Camerafiend 01:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
They are part of the metro indeed, as opposed to monorail. Yet one cannot get from OR to PR without walking through Teatralnaya, and one cannot get to from Alexandrovskiy Sad to Borovitskaya without walking via BiL or Arbatskaya. Even the Moscow line scheme puts the former transfer as a row of dots instead of a triangle, and the latter as a square with arrows going in the centre between BiL and Arbatskaya. Not being announced in trains. Many popular websites not listing them... that is plenty of reasons --Kuban Cossack 20:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


Plenty of reasons... except that the point of the templates is to show the sequence of stations and connections to other lines, and connections to other lines do exist at these stations. If it bothers you that much, you could figure out a way of denoting indirect transfers on the templates (like making the connecting bar gray instead of black, perhaps), but leaving them off altogether is ridiculous. Passengers can transfer, so they are transfers. BTW, what you call "many popular websites" is only one website. Camerafiend 02:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
For instance, here is an example of a compromise we could use on the templates. Camerafiend 02:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Well first of all the templates used here have one major drawback - one can't actually access a new article by clicking on a transfer, if you can fix the problem I can also try to create a version that will allow to account for the indirect transfers, but in all cases remember that this is not Wikitravel. We had quite a dispute on Talk:Kiev Metro about wether to include wheelchair icons on one of the stations. In the end that proposal was removed. Many schemes give transfer to rail services, but even here you would agree that this is too much for one template.
BTW even official Moscow disregards transfers as....inexistant --Kuban Cossack 11:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Here's a version of the SL template with links to the transfer stations and a gray bar to represent the Okhotny Ryad-Ploschad Revolyutsii transfer. Clicking on a transfer station dot takes you to the article instead of the image description page. Camerafiend 01:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Right now teach me how to do that (the links) and that will solve a lot of problems. In terms of transfers, Moscow line schemes [1] do label the transfers but they specify that they are not direct. If I were you I would have made the bar longer, then I would agree to reisntall the transfers, but only after you teach me how to do transfer links!--Kuban Cossack 12:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

To make the transfer links I used Template:Click, which lets an image link to an article instead of the image description page. There are instructions on Template talk:Click, but the code for it is

{{Click |
| image = <location of image>
| link = <page to link to>
| width = <width of image>
| height = <height of image>
}}
For example, replacing 
[[Image:stadot.png|8px]]
with 
{{Click |
| image = stadot.png
| link = Turgenevskaya
| width = 8px
| height = 8px
}}

makes the dot link to Turgenevskaya instead of Image:stadot.png. Hope this helps. Camerafiend 03:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I am restoring the transfer to the templates. Camerafiend 19:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
And I am removing them once more. --Kuban Cossack 20:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Saint Petersburg Metro

I've expanded the brief in the Saint Petersburg Metro article a bit; I think it's okay length now and need not be shortened. I also made a separate note about the depth as it represents something unique about the city's Metro system; I fixed the line ...system exhibits many typical Soviet designs including very deep stations... as I don't think the Soviet era has anything to do with station depth. Please make a note here or on my talk page if you don't agree with my modifications. Regards, Canwolf 03:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Minsk metro

Hello Kuban kazak!

I'm actually working on an SVG map with German transcriptions of the Minsk metro. I used this file as template. I have a few questions and hope, that you are able to answer them. I tried to contact the author of that webpage and of some other webpages, but I didn't get any responses.

  • The map I used was a self drawn modification that I got from be:wiki, find my in the commons [2] and the original [3]. The link takes me to the main page, but if you meant the perspective line maps then all of them are phantasies as of yet
  1. I strongly suppose, that the map mentioned above is in Belorussian language. Is that correct?
    • There is no Belorussian language, there is Belarusian, but really translits of both Ru and Be should exist as both are official state languages.
  2. The mentioned map is the only source I found, which shows a 4th line. Do you know, if that plan is official?
    • Doubtful because the project for the third line is still being developed.
  3. I don't think, that the colours on this map are correct. The schemes on your Russian page show the first line in red and the second line in blue. What are the colours of the other lines?
    • That is correct Minsk is an exeption to all other ex-Soviet systems of having its first line in blue and second in red. However by habit that map was created backwards. I just simply added language headings not
  4. Do the 3rd and 4th line have names?
    • They are still planned
  5. Do you know the name of the planned station between Грушаўская and Паўднёвы Захад on the red line
    • See first comment.
  6. Do you know the name of the planned stations on the third line (blue on that map) between Сурганава and Зялёны Луг
    • see first comment
  7. Are there any sections under construction actually?
    • Yes the northwestern section of the Moskovskaya Line is due to open in december this year and the southwest is due to start immediately afterwards. --Kuban Cossack 11:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks in advance, --L.m.k talk 11:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

PS: If you respond on my talk page on the German Wikipedia, I would see it earlier.

[edit] Metro

Could you please check these? It all looks good, but since the contributions are by an anonymous user, I thought they'd better be re-checked. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More metro

I have my doubts.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

So, what the hell is this map of? If it's a fake, I'll delete it; if it's something like a map of elektrichka lines, then it should probably be edited. Could you, please, investigate? It will probably take you a lot less time that it would take me, since you obviously know more about transportation-related issues.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 16:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Kazak! I'm a new member of wikipedia project - so I don't know much about rules and instructions. You asked me if I can send some pictures of Kiyv metro - here they are:

Panoramio image

Panoramio image

If you have any question, please contact me by ICQ N 292921487

Regards, Semenov Andrey

[edit] Kharkov metro map

Dear Kuban kazak, nice work you did on the Kharkov metro map! I'll see if I can adjust my original Dutch version to your new lay-out :). There is by the way one minor error in your map: Ukrainian Radyaska should read Radyanska. Yours, Xyboi 12:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to list or rapid transit systems

Could you please explain why you think a link to List of rapid transit systems from a page about a metro (read - rapid transit system) is irrelevant? Fyi, that page links back to Saint Petersburg Metro, and most other subway/metro pages (including Moscow Metro, New York Subway, London Underground) link to it, so it seems like a good convention. - Canwolf 23:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, i'll self-revert. --Kuban Cossack 10:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikiproject trains -> Minsk Metro

The other articles could easily be added to the list for review, and since you mentioned them, I'll try to take a look at them today. The quickest way to get them in the queue, providing they're about rail transport (which I don't think will be a problem here), is to add {{TrainsWikiProject}} to the top of their talk pages. Without any further parameters, the template will add the talk page to Category:Unassessed rail transport articles, which I'm using as my current work list. The ratings are based on the scale described on Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Assessment. My ultimate goal is to get more rail transport-related articles up to WP:FA status (I've been working on research for Scott Special lately).

As to putting them in line for a DYK mention on Portal:Trains, add a blurb on Portal:Trains/Did you know candidates; I usually rotate one fact onto the portal per day so that one country's rail transport topics don't dominate (I try to avoid having more than two items from one country on any day). With the abundance of US topics in the suggestion list now, non-US suggestions would be very welcome. I place a higher preference on articles that have images because I set the section's image to one appropriate for the first DYK item on any given day. On the portal, we don't have a 5-days-or-less article age rule, but I'm trying to avoid running articles more than once a year. With a few thousand articles on rail transport topics, it will be some time before we have to re-evaluate this guideline. Slambo (Speak) 14:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Krasnoyarsk Metro

а куда статья пропала? я даже vfd найти не могу, если выносили на удаление, конечно... -Lone Guardian 04:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

А разве статья была? --Kuban Cossack 10:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tbilisi Metro

Our city authorities have finally figured out that Tbilisi Metro needs a website [4]. So far, the website is only in Georgian and is still under construction. I'll translate some info and upload a couple of images as soon as I find enough time. --Kober 05:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions about depth of Kiev Metro and Putin quote

Hi, I also posted this question on the article talk page, so my apologies if repeating it here is a faux pas! So - I've heard that the Kyiv/Kiev metro system is the deepest in the world, with an 800m escalator at one of the city centre stations. Could you tell me if that's correct?

My other question is about the Putin quote you mentioned further up the same talk page. "If you want the USSR back you have no brains. If you can't be proud of being born there you have no heart" Do you have a text source for that? Russian is okay as I'm trying to learn!

It's a much more balanced quote than the one which usually gets repeated over here (England), about the "greatest geopolitical catastrophe", and would be fun to repeat next time someone starts ranting about the "evil empire"! :-)

Anyway, keep up the good work! I'm also a metro fan, though I don't yet have anything to contribute beyond what's already in the articles. Regards, Moyabrit 16:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)