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С Рождеством Христовым и Новым годом! —dima/s-ko/ 16:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year! (Russian: С Новым Годом!). I wish you in 2007 to be spared of the real life troubles so that you will continue to care about Wikipedia. We will all make it a better encyclopedia! I also wish things here run smoothly enough to have our involvement in Wikipedia space at minimum, so that we can spend more time at Main. --Irpen

[edit] Metro stations

As far as I remember, I promised to never touch spelling of metro stations until WP:CYR comes through, unless vandalism is involved. I still stand by that (even though WP:CYR is stagnant), but thought I'd ask you this. As you might have probably noticed, I am currently putting Russian geographic names in order, creating redirects and dab pages when necessary. So far my scope was limited to names of inhabited localities, districts, and federal subjects (which, mind you, is quite a handful already), with an occasional river or mountain thrown in. I am wondering if you'd mind me incorporating names of Russian metro stations into the mix. Many of them have quite generic names, shared by other geographic entities. Adding them to dab pages would make them a tad easier to find, which is a definite plus. The downside for you, I assume, is that I rely on WP:RUS heavily, because spelling consistency in such an enormous project is an absolute must, and there is nothing better that WP:RUS available at this point of time. So, if that's going to be a problem, then just ignore my offer—I'm planning to resume working on WP:CYR eventually (even if that means after the hell freezes over), and there is no urgency in this for me. On the other side, if you agree, I'd appreciate a list (or a link to a list) of all Russian metro stations by city, as well as a blank check (or an indulgence :)) for moving/renaming articles to make them fit into existing scheme. Let me know what you think. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Go for it, I have completely backed off from my earlier convictions, and now I am a supporter of only -y, -ye and other points, just leave the double ee, like Novogireevo, as they are, as for everything else...no problem with changes. I can help if you want... --Kuban Cossack 20:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I much appreciate it. The question I have is whether the station lists in Wikipedia are complete as to be sufficient for this project. I guess Moscow is, but what about other cities? If anything is missing, can you help me locate full lists? I also think that former names of renamed stations could be included as well—would you have that information? I don't think I'll need help with boring routine stuff (you seem to be one of very few people who could write actual content in that area, so your time would be better spent there), but I might bug you every now and then if I encounter problematic cases. Again, thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I give you ru:Станции-тёзки метро, for disambigs...actually in my opinion it be best that we move everything to ...-skaya ("cityname" Metro)--Kuban Cossack 20:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Good, that'll be useful, although my intention is to not only disambiguate between the stations with the same name, but also between the stations and other entities with the same name. As for "-skaya", I was under impression that's how all stations are already done. Are there ones which are done differently? I wouldn't add disambiguators to the names unless it's necessary, because that's what most naming conventions (with the notable exception of US cities) recommend.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Pfff, well the majority of Metro stations outside Moscow Metro have identical tyozkas elsewhere, and it can go up to a half of the stations. So we just started in Category:Kiev Metro stations, Category:Kharkiv Metro stations, Category:Kryvyi Rih Metrotram with that standard... and elsewhere that's how all of the templates are written...--Kuban Cossack 20:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

An abundance of identical names doesn't really scare me; see Oktyabrsky to see what I mean :) Anyway, just wanted to clarify that I intend to limit my activities with Russian stations only. It's kind of hard to do them together with Ukrainian/etc. because it is difficult to organize the workflow efficiently due to different romanization standards of other Slavic languages. Differences in adjective genders are going to keep me busy enough as it is :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "That will not due..."

Since you have a "professional level" of English, please tell me what's that supposed to mean... Camptown 21:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This will not do... it is a case when one thinks to write one thing in an edit summary, then changes his mind... and in the end it ends up like a mix of everything... --Kuban Cossack 21:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos of Metro stations

Hi, Kuban. I have found that people are forbidden to photograph stations of Saint Petersburg Metro. See my experience on Image talk:Vostok.jpg. Do you know if it is the case with other Metros? It would probably make the images of the stations to be irreplaceable.

С Рождеством! Alex Bakharev 06:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Казачество

Здоровеньки. Английский знаю, но пишу по-русски, поскольку хотелось бы обсудить с вами казачество по-русски, прежде чем здесь присоединяться к дискуссии. Напишите, пожалуйста, какой у вас ник на русской Википедии (дайте ссылку), чтобы я смог задать вопросы там или, если хотите здесь, дайте знать. С уважением, theUg 01:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Metros of the former Soviet Union

See the Wikipedia:WikiProject Metros of the former Soviet Union proposal here. —dima/s-ko/ 23:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is the temporary project page. What do you think? —dima/s-ko/ 01:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't answer earlier, as I am busy right now. But good work on the article scheme for the wikiproject! Looks like it will turn out alright without any objections and with its support. —dima/s-ko/ 04:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try and see who I can get from uk wiki. BTW, take a look at User:DDima/Template, I have created it for an easy metro line navigation template, just include the parameters and have a ready made template! What do you think? —dima/s-ko/ 01:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you think that we should incorporate our wikiproject template into the Trains WikiProject template, so all that we have to do is write {{TrainsWikiProject|class=|subway=yes|metroFSU=yes}}, and so it says at the bottom of the template: This article is mantained by WikiProject Metros of the former Soviet Union. but still has all of the needed cats.. or that we are descendants of the Trains WikiProject? —dima/s-ko/ 17:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Better continue the discussion on the project talk page...--Kuban Cossack 14:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minsk Metro

Hi there! May I ask you why the names of the lines and the stations of the Minsk Metro have been romanized from Russian and not from Belarusian? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Well first of all most places use Russian names over Belarusian, Urbanrail.net, whilst romanising Kharkov and Kiev Metro use Ukrainian translits...however Minsk they give in Russian... Moreover unlike Ukraine which officially tries to eradicate Russian from its society, Belarus allows it to thrive and develop...--Kuban Cossack 18:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW join our wikiproject and lobby others to join...--Kuban Cossack 18:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. The reason I asked is that I needed to know this in order to handle disambiguation pages properly. In this case, would it make sense to move (existing) Avtozavodskaya Line to Avtozavodskaya Line (Minsk Metro) to avoid collision with (yet unwritten) Avtozavodskaya Line (Nizhny Novgorod Metro)? If you were to use Belarusian names, the moves would have to be done in a different manner.

As for joining the project, I'm afraid I must decline. I hardly know anything about metro, except that it exists in some cities and that I have some limited experience riding it :) My interest in this is merely in paving the road for others by fixing the system of Russian names/disambiguation pages/redirects so that one entity may easily be distinguished from another entity of the same name, and that entities of similar (but not identical) names are properly interlinked and cross-referenced. I do, however, promise that if I see an interested individual, I will let him/her know about the Metro project. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't seem good to me. Even the PA for each station in the Minsk metro is officially bi-lingual, Belarusian on departure, Russian on arrival (or is it other way round?). Personally, I'm pro having the Belarusian-Russian parity in names w/r to the Minsk metro, however, some language must come out as primary here, too. What's there against the Belarusian in that role, clearly marked as such, then? :) Yury Tarasievich 18:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Take it up on the Talk:Minsk Metro, I will respond there in a few hours...got my hands full right now...--Kuban Cossack 18:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent request for checkuser

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[edit] Could you join discussion of Russian sources on Stomakhin

Hello Alex!

Could you join the discussion of sources on russophobe Boris Stomakhin here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boris_Stomakhin#quote_.22Death_to_Russia.22? Please join. Thank you. Vlad fedorov 06:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nizhny

Because I am going through stations (all stations, in all cities) one by one in alphabetical order, and it takes time (I only started "C" last week). I will fix all NN-metro stations (so there won't by any randomly left out), if you only give me time. If you don't want to wait, or don't want my help with this, I'll gladly apply my time in areas outside of metro (I only volunteered to help because you had no objections a few days ago). Now, can I revert NN-metro, or should I leave all metro-related issues alone for the time being?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I did not mind you moving stations into disambigs, but what you are doing is changing the whole naming format. For example if some have (Nizhny Novgorod Metro), then why not let others have that for consistency? Same with all of the others. Like I said, my ultimate achival is to have all Moscow Metro stations retitled to -skaya (Moscow Metro). --Kuban Cossack 13:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Because this is not how naming conventions in Wikipedia work. We do not pre-disambiguate names. Hence, "Burnakskaya" is sufficient, because there is nothing else by this name; "Burevestnik (Metro)" is sufficient, because there is no other metro station by this name (but there is something else); and "Akademicheskaya (Saint Petersburg Metro)" is necessary because there is a station by this name in Moscow as well. Plus, speaking of consistency, if you pre-disambiguate NN, but not Moscow/St. Petersburg/etc., then where is that said consistency? We don't even have articles for NN/Kazan/etc., so fixing the names early is not only easy, but will ultimately save time later. In case you haven't noticed, I don't just "move the stations to disambigs"; I make a very good effort to make sure all the backlinks point where they should, all redirects work as intended, all disambiguation pages are properly formatted. Not to mention some disambiguation-unrelated cleanup I just can't resist not to take care of. Then come you and with one sweep of a revert undo most of the work, wreaking havoc in all the dependencies.

Anyway, like I said, if you don't want my help, just let me know. I have plenty of other things to do besides metro.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Which is why I want to move all of the articles in the Moscow and Piter Metros to this standard. I agree there is yet to be consistency, but with redirects and disambigs it will work (see my hidden comment in the first respose)!--Kuban Cossack 14:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

One thing is I still don't understand is why would you want to move a vast number of articles which perfectly comply with Wikipedia naming conventions to a naming scheme that is both redundant and non-standard. If you are worried about things to be difficult to find, that's the very reason why I volunteered to help and interlink everything properly. It does take a while, but if you just be patient, all metro stations will fit the grand scheme of things flawlessly.

The only other major area of Wikipedia that is currently using pre-disambiguation is the U.S. cities, but even that is a) because the articles were originally uploaded by a bot; b) it was long ago when naming conventions did not yet develop; c) it is traditional for the U.S. cities to be called with the state disambiguator attached; d) even with all that in mind the necessity of the pre-disambiguation naming scheme is constantly being a subject of hot debates. FSU Metros, on the other hand a) are, for the most part, already named properly; b) do comply with the naming conventions; and c) have stations which are not usually called "a station of Fooysk Metro", but just "a station". Just look at the two sides: doesn't it seem to you that if you proceed with your Moscow (and other metros) moving plan, it'd just be nothing more than "мартышкин труд". I offered to help you because I know how to fix existing (not very numerous) inconsistencies with the stations' names, have vast experience in this kind of work, and believe that it would free your time to actually write content (great job with the Kazan Metro, by the way). From your statements above, however, you seem more interested in wasting time on moving stations around istead of doing something that few other people can do (i.e., write about them).

Either way, have it your way. Just don't count on my help if you are going to do something that is completely useless, non-compliant with the guidelines, and cannot be interlinked well with other areas of Wikipedia. I can return to ignoring metro-related articles just as easily as I've been ignoring them for the past year or so (was romanization the problem then? Who cares now...)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, now that the SOVMETRO project is up and running, I think raising the question of naming conventions on the project talk page for everyone to comment would be the best course of action. What would you say?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Well raise it there, and I will answer there.--Kuban Cossack 23:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Raised.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pridnestrovian Black Sea Cossacks

Hi, could you explain to me (or direct me somewhere this is covered) how these Cossacks relate to the historical Black Sea Cossack Host? I'm involved in editing of several Transnistria-related articles and am looking to learn more about the Cossacks living there. --Illythr 15:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Изображение с ук-вики

Я могу загрузить изображение в commons, но у него качество не очень хорошее, так как я фотографировал на мобильный телефон.--Ahonc (Talk) 16:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Я загрузил 2 фото:

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