Talk:Kuči

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[edit] Prevalis

Some info you might be interested in: in 1694 the Kucs were together with the Albanian Hots in an alliance against the Turks. Throughout the 18th century the Kucs fight together with the Serb Vasojevics and the Albanians Hots and Kliments in resistance against the Ottoman Empire.

You could include the folk telling of the Kuci's common origin (probably falsified to attain "brotherhood" of clans, based of half-truth), told by Marko Miljanov Popovic in his book: that Kuci, Kastrati and Saljani descend from three brothers: Grča, Krsto and Šako.

You could add that the Albanian clans Kastratis, Berishas (though today these are largely Roma, lol) and Kliments most probably descend from the Kuci (according to their home tellings).

The Kuci're not Montenegrin, they're Highlander. --PaxEquilibrium 19:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not proper to simply call the Kuci an Albanian clan (or Marko Miljanov an ethnic Albanian), it's one clan but of dual Slavic (Serbian) and Albanian origins. The Old Kuci are largely of Serb and the New Kuci of Albanian. According to "Predanja o zajedničnom poreklu nekih crnogorskih i nekih arbanaških plemena" of Mirko Barjaktarevic: Na koncu, potreba zajedničke odbrane i sigurnijeg ekonomskog življenja tera i nesrodnike da se udružuju u istu zajednicu ili pleme. Tako su Srbi i, delom, Arbanasi obrazovali pleme Kuče. I to Srbi pravoslavne a Arbanasi katoličke i islamske religije. Otuda Kuči kao pleme čine zajednicu od Srba i Arbanasa to jest od življa pravoslavne, katoličke i islamske religije. Ni etnička ni religiozna razlika nisu bile tolika prepreka da se stvori jedinstvena plemenska zajednica. The same is claimed in Jovan Erdeljanovic's "Kuci Tribe". --PaxEquilibrium 19:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nomenclature changes

In accordance to the Serb clans article, I have replaced most of the 'clan' terms with 'tribe', as 'clan' denotes 'bratstvo' and Kuči is a 'pleme' (tribe). I haven't changed the term 'clan' referring to 'Starokuči' (Old Kuči), because it, IMHO, denotes a 'group of clans' (skup bratstava), rather then more territorial 'tribe'.

I have also changed the term 'family' with 'clan' (bratstvo). --VeselinM (talk) 22:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vuk Lalev Drekalović and his descendants

I am quite aware that Vuk had crossed over to Islam, however, Pax mentioned that Vuk's descendants are the forefathers of the Turkovići. However, I recently found that the same Vuk's descendants are the forefathers of the Omerbožovići, another clan located near the city of Podgorica. I am not sure whether they were both or not and will look into it. Pax, I am asking you to provide a source for your claim while I look more deeper in this situation.

Never mind. Quick fact: Never trust forums... --Prevalis (talk) 02:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Please...

Please, I'm begging all members... Please, don't put that Kuči are Serb tribe. Kuči are not Serb tribe - Starokuči are Serbs, Drekalovići are mixed Albanians/Montenegrins/Serbs and there are Albanians in Kuči, in villages like Zatrijebač, Koći, Fundina... Please, be tolerant and respect other side of Kuči. I'm orthodox from Kuči but our tribe is not Serbian or any other tribe. And, if I know history - tribes exitsts only in Scotland, Albania and Montenegro, so that phrase 'Serbian tribe' is false and fake. Please, be tolerant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.42.878.39 (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)