Talk:Krumme 13

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[edit] Photo of Gieseking

Is there any significant rationale for having his photo in this article? Is it "this is what a pedophile looks like"? Should my photo be used to illustrate the article on the Norwegian Heathen Society of which I was the leader for three years? Very far-fetched, if you ask me. __meco 21:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Let us leave Gieseking here until he gets his own article and the K13 logo is reinstated. Sure, you should also upload your own picture! Help to improve Wikipedia! Roman Czyborra 00:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If there had been some mention of Gieseking here I would have agreed, however, there isn't. __meco 16:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

For the subject of child sexual abuse and pedophily i see a reason, to mention the arguments around Krumme 13. For an own article about Krumme 13 there is no reason than those guys legalize campaign - as one can see from the history of the article. Now an own article for Gieseking ... and his photo? Maybe with some hints, why he is a good guy, just fighting for children, to have happy sex with nice uncles? Hey, is human responsibility in wikipedia sleeping? At first his photo must go.--Fluss (talk) 11:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary editorializing

Several edits that to me have the appearance of editorializing are troublesome, in my opinion. When adding a wikilink to adult-child sex, user:SqueakBox at the same time adds a comment: "commonly known as child sexual abuse." This is totally unnecessary as any user interested in learning more about adult-child sex can read about this common connotation in the opening paragraph of that article.

In the subsequent edit "a [[Age disparity in sexual relationships|relationship]] between" is substituted with "the abuse of." As everything is out in the open in a fictional literary relationship there should be no reason to impress one particular point-of-view contrary to the narrative's presentation, unless of course one is a book reviewer. We do not have such license.

Then finally, in this edit, the text "After the closing of the group, the group's leader, Dieter Gieseking, has continued to maintain krumme13.org as a journalistic platform named K13-online." is removed with the edit comment being "please source and return." This is just plain bad faith. The sourcing is supplied: K13-online, all one has to do is perform an online search for this term to come up with http://k13-online.krumme13.org/. __meco 17:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't become a Perpetrator

For german speaking pedophile oriented folks in germany there is human dignity, real help and high level research: kein täter werden. In opposite to K13, this is of real international importance.--Fluss (talk) 14:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)