Talk:Krugerrand

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[edit] External Links

The external link to Allgold of sevenoaks - Information on Krugerrands looks inappropriate to me. It adds little if anything, and looks like a copy of the Wikipedia page or vice versa, including a few inaccuracies, which I will try to fix on Wiki when time permits. A link to our own Krugerrand Information page (on taxfreegold.co.uk) might have been more appropriate, and while writing this I noticed a few places where it can be improved. We do try to take a professional effort to ensure our published information is accurate and informative. We also have over 40 years experience and expertise. We note the link was added by James King, who we presume is related to Clive King of Allgold. I also looked for a better definitive external link from an "official" source, but could not find one which appears to be factually accurate and informative. Lawrence Chard (talk) 22:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC) Looking at the same member's contributions, they appear to consist solely of external links (advertising?) for the same business. Is this spamming? Lawrence Chard (talk) 23:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I've put in a copyvio notice. Let's see what happens.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Road

In the new novel by Cormac McCarthey, the road, a bag full of Krugerrands are found in a bomb shelter by the main characters. I was wondering if the use of bullion as currency in the event of an apocalypse is popular, and therefore be included in this article, or if it was just some artistic license.

[edit] purity

"These newer issues have surpassed the Krugerrand in popularity due to their 99.9% (24 carat) purity." This seems like a questionable interpretation. Higher purity is a mixed blessing, as it makes the coins much less durable. Plus, political objections to the apartheid government have to have been a factor. -Daniel.

[edit] Illegal to own in South Africa

Umm, what?! As far as I can find out, its only illegal to import, since the SA Reserve Bank is the monopoly supplier. ([1]) --Dewet 13:22, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fine, I've removed that part, since I couldn't find any supporting evidence. Dewet 11:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] face value

The Krugerrand face value is not in Rand, like the table says, but in ounces.

[edit] Colorado Front range donations

Has any thought been given to including the donation of Krugerands to Salvation Army kettles along the Colorado Front Range in at least the past four holiday seasons? I'm not into numismatics much, but I think it is worthy of inclusion. BabuBhatt 05:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Krugerrand an attractive coin?

The Krugerrand coins (including the fractionals) are very attractive coins, given the fact that the reverse depicts Coert Steynburg's pronking springbok design, which first appeared on the 1947 Royal Visit 5/- coin. I have got 2 1/10 Krugerrand coins in my collection - 1984 & 1990. - (Aidan Work 06:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

On the other side, I've heard them referred to as "nothing to look at, basically a lump of metal." I personally think they're attractive, but no accounting for taste. 70.61.22.110 21:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)Newt

[edit] Face value, use as currency.

As was just stated the face value is in Oz. fine gold, not in Rands or any other currency. Am changing this. Additionaly, while upon it's initial introduction it may not have been intended to be commonly traded for goods and services it is my understanding that this is done not infrequently in places where the value of local currency is unstable. The fact that its face value is based purely on value of gold content and not a particular currency lends itself very well to this purpose. Also, the fact that there are 4 denominations further leads me to believe this to be true. I am basing this on comments by my commodities broker that workers prefer to be paid in Krugerrands in some industries in S.A. Need firsthand knowledge or documentation to confirm.

Yes, you would need a citation for that dubious claim by your broker. Tempshill 18:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Krugerrand

I recently saw a silver krugerrand (one ounce) that was a Commemorative coin. Was this a one-time thing or was it more common? Should this be referenced in the article?

[edit] Legal tender?

If it's legal tender, what's the denomination in rands?

Don't tell me "1 ounce fine gold" because that's not a South African monetary unit. I'm not asking what's marked on the coin, I'm asking what the official status is as legal tender. For example: The American 1-ounce gold coin is legal tender in the value of $50.00 76.254.87.79 00:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The practical effect of being "legal tender" is that you can pay debts, particularly taxes, with them. I can't imagine how the South African government accepts them, though. --Vuo (talk) 23:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Major copyright violation

Most the this article was copied from here. I have stubified the article; it needs to be completely rewritten. External links in the article can be used as source, but they cannot be copied. Jon513 (talk) 22:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Why do you feel the article was copied from there? It would appear to have been constructed organically, looking at the history (for example). Is there a reason you feel they did not copy from here? Kuru talk 23:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The first edit (almost exactly a year ago) to the page was a cut and paste from the site posted above. Despite a moderate amount of edits the page remained largely intact. I think that the best thing to do is to start over. Jon513 (talk) 23:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion - the edit you just linked to was a few minor changes to existing text from 12-29-06. The article has existed quite a bit longer than that. Did you look at the edit I linked to above? Kuru talk 23:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
After looking in to this more, it seems the page at 'allgoldcoins' was last modified on August 9th. It includes this addition from July 26th, but not this spelling correction from August 27th. I'm thinking you should restore the article, and send a note to 'allgoldcoins' asking them live up to our GFDL. What am I missing here? Kuru talk 23:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


(edit conflict - we agree) On closer examination, I think you are right; they copied us. It appears to be a copy of the November 2 version of the page, right before the link to http://allgoldcoins.co.uk/allgold/shop_files/other/Krugerrands.htm was added. I have restored the article, and I apologize. Jon513 (talk) 23:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely not a problem - these kinds of puzzles are interesting to shake about. :) Kuru talk 23:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
If you want to send them a letter reading Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter can help. Jon513 (talk) 23:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please Help to improve this article.

I have recently added this

Denominations Diameter mm 1 Thickness mm 1 Weight Gram Fineness Gold Content Gram Gold Content T. Zo Edge Reeded
1 oz 32.77 2.84 33.930 22 Carat 91.67% 31.103 1.000 180
1/2 oz 27.07 2.215 16.965 22 Carat 91.67% 15.552 0.500 150
1/4 oz 22.06 1.888 8.482 22 Carat 91.67% 7.776 0.250 140
1/10 oz 16.55 1.35 3.393 22 Carat 91.67% 3.110 0.100 115
    1. Maximum dimensions

[edit] References


After Diameter & Thickness I added 1 so reader will know what it means. but I dont like the way it look, I hope someone have a better idea, Thank you.

Done. And I'm removing your links above; several clutter up disambiguation pages "what links here", and have been directed appropriately in the text. Gene Nygaard (talk) 02:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)