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[edit] Wrestling
There is real wrestling, where it is an athletic contest. That is seen in high schools and colleges and in the olympics. Then there is TV wrestling, wherein performers pretend to be beating each other up. It is a fine entertainment, and has been a staple of TV since the 1940's. Do you seriously believe that the drama is all for real? That the wrestlers in most TV wrestling entertainment are not told ahead of time who will win? This is not to say anything against their being athletes, and I acknowledge that people sometimes get hurt, but the drama looks fake. That said, I will refrain from mentioning my views about its fakeness in AFDs, just as I would not tell kids that Santa isn't real. Edison 15:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I revised my AFDs to strike out "fake." I watched TV wrestling a lot decades ago, and there was always a wrestler pulling some stunt like throwing some mysterious substance in his opponents eyes to "blind " him, or the manager climbing into the ring to whack a combatant over the head. There was lots of fake blood. There was always a get even grudge match. There were exotic costumes and personnas. The thing they have going now is a way bigger budget and more sponsorship, not to mention the spinoff merchandise. I agree it is a fine piece of entertainment. Edison 21:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Full Impact Pro
Well, judging from the previous version of the article, it looks like the page was prodded first as a "Non notable wrestling promotion, no third party sources, fails WP:CORP" and then deleted five days later per policy. From what I see, there aren't many sources to use for this type of article, and it seems to fail WP:CORP. Many of the Google hits I find just make a brief mention of Full Impact Pro, and I got only 20,000 case-sensitive Google hits. If you can show me other 3rd-party sources that describe the history of the wrestling circuit and other such info, that would be appreciated. For now, I believe the deletion should stand, but if you show me otherwise, I will restore the article. Thanks, Nishkid64 01:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Changing sources (help desk question)
Usually the person who added the source, checked it to check it backs up the fact it's mentioned with. It's usually not a good idea to change it. What do you need to do it for? - Mgm|(talk) 04:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- It's the title of the question that got me confused. Thanks for answering. - Mgm|(talk) 07:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bots
I have made a request at WP:BOTREQ, which is the place to request the help of bots (just for future reference). TJ Spyke 01:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] My Autograph Book
Thanks for signing! Bmg916SpeakSign 13:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Might need help
You said: "Hi Yamla, sorry to bother you, but I may need some assistance. I have been currently putting a lot of work to make the article Delirious (wrestler) into a good article, but for some reason member User:Lakes keeps removing one of the moves, Diving hurricanrana, just because he has never seen the said wrestler use it (the wrestler in question does not wrestle on television, so matches of him would be limited considering you could only view him on DVD). The point being, at some point in his career he used this as a signature move. Even if he doesn't currently, or if Lakes has never seen him use the move, that isn't a reason to keep removing it. I would appreciate if you could talk to Lakes about this."
- All information in the Wikipedia must be verifiable (see WP:V). That does not mean you need to provide a web link, but you do need to cite information appropriately. If you have a DVD where he performs this move, you should be able to add a citation (see WP:CITE) for this DVD. Once you've done this, if the information is removed again, please let me know and I will be happy to help out! --Yamla 14:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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- You said: "I am curious, what do I need then? You asked for a cite, and I gave a link saying he has used the move as a signature move."
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[edit] Burnt-Muddy Funning-Sauce
I see you have felt the sting of BS's BS welcome message/BLP threat. Thanks for the support with Backlund. Darrenhusted 21:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bitchslap
I'm not reverting it! Everyone is reverting the page and the versions are getting mixed up. Please see history page. -- bulletproof 3:16 03:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Good god... WWE.com has a full page pic of the flaming limo with the headline screaming MCMAHON PRESUMED DEAD!!! You know, I bet this is WWE's way at getting back at Wikipedia for being IWC central. They're practically begging trolls to come and vandalize-- bulletproof 3:16 04:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Your message
You're right, I overlooked something. I apologize. Arienh4(Talk) 20:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chikara
I noticed that on several AfDs you've stated that Chikara is a notable independent wrestling federation. What makes you think it is notable? Looking at the article, I just don't see it. Did it have a television deal? Did it employ several very notable wresters (special appearances don't count)? Are there secondary or third party sources (without them it fails WP:CORP)? Their biggest crowd ever was 275 people. How is that notable? Nikki311 03:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it is popular with the indy fans (that one show did get a record 275 people to attend!), but that doesn't mean it is notable. Moreover, none of those names you mentioned can be considered "very notable" either. Not every independent promotion and/or wrestler on the planet deserves an encyclopedia article. Nikki311 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I just want you to understand that popular with indy fans does not equal notable. Nikki311 03:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Impersonator
Hi Kris Classic,
I might be very wrong (apologises if I am) but I think a IP address is trying to impersonate you, see here. He signs himself as being Kris classic. Just thought I'd let you know. Davnel03 20:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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Hey! I noticed that you're a fan of the Redwall series. Would you like to come join our Redwall WikiProject? If you're interested, add your name to the Participants list. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions! GlassCobra 00:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds good! You're more than welcome to add the project userbox to your page. Glad to have you aboard! GlassCobra 01:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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dude, i was kidding. i know u wouldnt know that because ur reading it and can take it differently (thats y girlfriends and msn dont mix lol) but yeah sorry. and for the record he has said it MUCH more then once. --Metal to the Max! 10:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Refs for force 1
So do you see what i meant?--TrUcO9311 (talk) 01:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hello
Hello sir not to sound like spam but I would like you to join the King of the Hill wiki. When you join this wiki you will be helping out a new wiki. And if you put in enough edits I will make you a sysop/admin. So if you want to join please follow the link above. Thank you Creatator of the King of the Hill wiki --Hardcore Hak (talk) 19:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Hardcore Hak P.S. When you follow that link once you arive click Main Page.
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The Chronic has given you a bottle of Cristal! Cristal costs $350, and hopefully this bottle has made your New Year's Day better. Spread the spirit of the New Year by giving a bottle of Cristal to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Give a bottle of Cristal to someone else by adding {{subst:User:The Hybrid/Finger}} to their talk page with a friendly... wait...
[edit] Have A Great Oh-Eight
Happy New Year! iMatthew (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Jaden.jpg
"Permission to use on Wikipedia" is not sufficient for us to use the image. We want free images, both for our use, and reusers including commercial use, for which the permission you obtained likely does not provide. This is WP:CSD#3 which can explain a little more. You should read WP:COPYREQ on how (and what) to request permission. Good luck! MECU≈talk 20:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Scorpion
Hey DMN, I am pretty sure you are an admin - wow; thank you! Can I have my tools then? :P
Not yet, hopefully in a few weeks! :D D.M.N. (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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