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[edit] MySpace

www.myspace.com/kristannaloken (official)

What's the most important thing? Getting her info right, or using "conflict of interst" as an argument for keeping it wrong? I can prove my claims for you. If her myspace was to be fake, this link would not be working, forwarding you to her myspace blog:

www.kristannaloken.net/reply

-A working link would prove my point, right? I can not add the link my self as of "conflict of interst". But any of you can! --Seabris 03:25, 02 March 2007

[edit] Sexual orientation

Someone add that she recently discussed that she has and continue to has relationships with women (hot)The Following Quote from Curve magazine goes like this:

"Kristanna Loken, the 26-year-old actress who had her break-out role in 2003's Terminator 3 and currently stars in the film BloodRayne, publicly discusses for the first time in the March issue of Curve magazine that she's had--and will continue to have--relationships with women.


"I have dated and have had sex with men and women and have to say that the relationships I have had with certain women have been much more fulfilling, sexually and emotionally, than of those with certain men," she tells Curve. "I connect with an aura, with energy. And if the person with whom I connect happens to be a female, that’s just the way it is. That’s what makes my wheels turn.”


In the Curve interview, Loken also talks about her lesbian sister, who has been with her partner for more than a decade, and the indie film Loken is currently executive producing and starring in, Lime Salted Love, which she described to MTV as "similar to Reality Bites with a splash of Memento like disjointed narrative."


This isn't the first time Loken has talked about same-sex attraction--the topic has come up frequently in interviews ever since she was caught on camera kissing pop singer Pink in 2003. But she has always approached the subject with some ambiguity, as she did last month in an interview with men's magazine FHM.


When asked about the difference between kissing men vs. women, Loken replied candidly, "The texture of a woman’s mouth and lips are so much softer than a man’s. It’s more romantic, but there are women who can be rough". But when asked if she "kisses a lot of women", Loken hedged, saying "I don’t like to make anything a habit, but I’m definitely open-minded about kissing women."

Here's a link to the same quote: [Afterllen.com]

[edit] FHM cover pic

It does appear to qualify under the template that is attached to it:

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Unless I am reading it wrong. The only objection I could see from some one is what she is wearing, versus what the license is. If we say that this image is wrong b/c of the license, then any image we use of a magazine cover should be removed as well. If some one is going to remove this, state why you really are removing it.--Azathar 05:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I assume the template changed since you posted... it now says "Note: It is not acceptable to use images with this tag in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used directly in connection with the publication of this image. Such usages will be removed."68.54.228.10 02:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bisexuality

I put the bisexual category back in because I don't feel Handface's argument holds water. The edit summary said "she didn't say she was bisexual in the article". Loken admits to having dated people of both sexes before. I don't see why she would have to state "I'm bisexual" to justify the cat. If a person says, "I write with my right hand, I brush my teeth with my right hand, I do everything that is left or right handed with my right hand." but does not specifically say, "I am right-handed", would that mean that they couldn't have the category of "Right-handed people" on their article? At most I'd say Loken is just a person who doesn't like labels put on her and that is why she hasn't said that she's either bi or not. Dismas|(talk) 09:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Handedness and sexual orientation are in no way comparable. People aren’t in the closet about being left-handed. No one tries to pass constitutional amendments preventing left-handed people from getting married. There aren’t thousands of websites for “left-handed curious” people.
There are a lot of people out there who have had homosexual/bisexual experiences who are not homosexual/bisexual or do not identify as such.
Sexuality is such a sensitive subject that no label should be used without incontrovertible evidence or an admission from the person in question.
Let’s not forget also that the magazine that this quote was mentioned in has a biased interest in hyping lesbianism. Loken could have just as easily been making the comment for shock value or because she has been bi-curious in the past. Handface 16:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't matter what your opinion of what she may or may not have been doing is, according to this she self identifies as bisexual. It's very, very clear. "And if the person with whom I connect happens to be a female, that’s just the way it is. That’s what makes my wheels turn". Even Billie Joe Armstrong's talk page has users saying "He was probably just confused when he said that!", but eventually people get over it. Zythe 00:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it's not clear, as she never says she is bisexual. Handface 02:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
She says she's attracted to men and women, and whichever she is attracted to she will go for. One does not need to say "I'm bisexual" to be bisexual. She is what she is, and that, in her own words, is someone who is attracted to both men and women. Therefore she is bisexual, it's not even an argument. Zythe 12:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
She may very well be bisexual, but this quote does not prove that. A lot of conclusions can be reached about her quote, one of which is that she is, in fact, bisexual. Until there is better evidence though, it would be imprudent for an encyclopedia to claim that she is definitively bisexual. She could be bi-curious. She could have just experimented in the past. She could have been exaggerating. The magazine could have been hyping her quote since it's marketed to lesbians. One ambiguous quote just can't be taken as definitive, especially regarding sexuality. Handface 13:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
It's hardly ambigous! It's incrediby clear. Why assume that she may have been curious or may have saying it for shock value, why can't you take what she said at face value? Why do people not like the idea of their heroes being bi? Billie Joe's recently came under attack from somebody this week, claiming he was only making an abstraction by saying he's bi. If someone says they like men AND women, like Loken has, it means their bi. Bicurious isn't it's own sexuality, it's a variant of bisexual. Zythe 14:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I never said bi-curious was its own sexuality, so we'll skip that. She's not a hero of mine, so I'll skip that also. I don't care who Billie Joe is, so let's move on from that also. Basically, what we appear to have is a bi guy who goes around inserting his political beliefs regarding sexuality into articles. You didn't even respond to what I said at all. You just went off on your pre-scripted political rant. Handface 14:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a political agenda thanks, I find the very notion of an "agenda" insulting. I feel she has clearly stated she is bisexual, and you would like to take it to mean she could be when in my opinion it's clear enough she is. She says she likes girls. She says she likes boys. What is she then? Meh, I don't care enough to revert it anymore. But I still disagree. Zythe 14:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

"in my opinion..." That says everything that needs to be said. Your opinion doesn't belong in the article. Handface 14:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
And neither does yours. I was simply agreeing with Kristanna herself :P Zythe 14:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
My opinion is not in the article, I don't need elementary school-like parrotting of my comments. Shovel the gay agenda somewhere else for now. If more sources become available on this subject or if she makes a more definitive statement, we can add it at the appropriate time. Handface 14:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Wait, are you blatantly accusing me of carrying a "gay agenda" now? Quick questions, would you consider yourself homophobic by any definition of the term? Are you a boy or a girl? They seem pointless, but since you can use my profile to create a profile of who you think I am, it's only courteous to answer. I think the source we have currently is sufficient, most people wouldn't simply say "I am bi" in an interview since it's a term that encompasses some very different variations. What she has said, unarguably, is that she likes men and women and therefore is bisexual. You cannot argue with that! And I don't feel we need to come to mediation over this. If you want to argue over the category, since she's definitely not straight, would LGBT actors suit you better? Zythe 14:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I would take issue with the statement that "she has hinted that she might be bisexual with a preference for women." I don't know that you could draw that conclusion solely from the quote. I was responsible for the edit that Handface reversed, as I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude from it that she's bisexual. Khan_singh

I'm certain that "I have dated and have had sex with men and women" is 100% conclusive. ~ZytheTalk to me! 14:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, actually, it's more complex than that. See bisexuality; however, for the purposes of this article I think she probably meets the working definition of bisexual. --Robert Merkel 19:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
A person does not have to be quoted using the exact word "bisexual" to be validly considered bisexual. Her statement is really quite clear and unmistakeable, and I really fail to see how anybody could possibly consider it to mean anything else other than that she identifies as bisexual. And as for the most recent reversion: firstly, this discussion has not reached any kind of consensus against categorizing her as bisexual, and secondly, a paragraph about her statement of sexuality is not redundant with categorization as such. So neither of the stated points constitute a valid reason to not have her in the bisexual actors category. Bearcat 22:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I know this might be an ad hominem argument, and I apologize, but it seems that everyone who wants to add the bisexual tag is an LGBT. The word "agenda" is too extreme, but there seems to a bias. My chief argument would be that bisexual behavior and bisexuality are not the same thing. A guy in college might participate in homosexual behavior, or a guy in prison might participate in homosexual behavior, but they are not necessarily gay or bisexual. Likewise, Loken's behavior could be just that: behavior. And what she has done in the past could be little more than the past. If Kristanna Loken is a bisexual, I wouldn't be surprised. But this is an encyclopedia. To present something as fact in an encyclopedia, it's not enough to be more than 50% sure that she is bisexual. The evidence needs to be reasonably conclusive.
If you can't see how anybody else can see it any other way, that could be taken as an example of your bias in this situation. I'm not using the word "bias" to imply any kind of character flaw, merely that in this situation your view may not be the most impartial view. Chicken Wing 23:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I was correct in the end ;) ~ZytheTalk to me! 22:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you weren't. You still don't get it. It wasn't whether or not she was bisexual. It was whether or not it was verifiable. I don't think anyone doubted that she was bisexual. The problem was that it couldn't be reasonbly proven. Chicken Wing 23:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] title?

If the actress's name is spelled "Løken", why isn't the article at Kristanna Løken? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 02:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe her ancestors' name was "Løken", but she spells her name "Loken" now. —Nightstallion (?) 16:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brunhild & Taja

Chicken Wing, in your opinion her role in The Ring of the Nibelungs is not her most famous role, but that's your personal opinion and not an undeniable fact. The majority of people in Europe would have been introduced to Kristanna through that role, and I as a European want to acknowledge that fact. And what about her role in Mortal Kombat Conquest? That was a more notable role which would have introduced her to more Americans across the USA than the flop BloodRayne. 80.43.42.92 16:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not just my opinion. BloodRayne is her biggest role as the title character, even though the movie did poorly both at the box office and with critics. T3 was the biggest film she has been in with regard to box office and exposure. There's no reason to clutter that small box with all of her roles when there is also a selected filmography on the page, so those two movies will suffice. Chicken Wing 22:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, the "Notable Roles" section isn't supposed to cover everything she's done; that's what the rest of the article is for. Chicken Wing's rationale for those two roles (largest single role in a film + largest film she's been involved in) seems pretty sound to me. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I don't agree that BloodRayne is a worthier notable role than Taja or Brunhild, regardless of Kristanna being the titular character. A notable role is the one she would be most famous for, and maybe you didn't know but BloodRayne only made it to 8 countries around the world, America being the only English-speaking one (where it flopped in anyway). However, MK: Conquest and Ring of the Nibelungs are well-known across Europe, America, Asia and Australia. What more do I need to say? 80.47.140.113 05:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

BloodRayne, as has already been stated, was a personal milestone for the actress, being her largest role to date. The fact that it bombed (I didn't see it; I could tell it would be crap) is largely irrelevant. While MK Conquest and Nibelungs are big, I don't think that it really matches the overall marketing push behind Terminator 3, which is why I think that is a more representative role (and should therefore be in the infobox). EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I definitely agree that Terminator 3 is one of her most notable roles and should be in the box. However, my concern is with BloodRayne. There is a difference between a big role and a notable role, which I think is at the heart of this dispute. Van Helsing is not Hugh Jackman's most notable role, despite playing the title character. King Arthur is not Clive Owen's most notable role, despite playing the title character. Alexander is not Colin Farrel's most notable role, etc etc. MK Conquest and Nibelungs are definitely more notable roles that made her more famous (in America and internationally) than her BloodRayne role. 80.43.44.96 16:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, an excellent point. Given that, perhaps we should add Taja from Mortal Kombat: Conquest; given the fact that she was one of three main characters of a 22-episode show puts it above a TV movie, in my opinion (plus, MKC is from 1998 vs. Nibelungs in 2004, making it a much easier "break-out role" argument). EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
No way, those analogies don't match up. BloodRayne is the biggest role Loken has had as the top-billed star. The arguments about Owen and Jackman don't fly because they've played the top-billed character in bigger movies than the ones you listed, whereas Loken only has BloodRayne. Alexander actually is Farrell's biggest title role to date, and actually is listed on his Wikipedia bio in notable roles, so that only supports the BloodRayne argument. Secondly, MK: Conquest was a TV show that was cancel after one season, and nobody outside die-hard MK fans or die-hard Loken fans could even tell you that Loken was in that series. The series doesn't even have a region 1 DVD. Don't get me wrong, I'd watch MK: Conquest a hundred times before I had to watch BloodRayne again (or the MK movies again), but it's just not a very notable role. Chicken Wing 18:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I have to disagree again. Maybe MK Conquest has no Region 1 DVD, but has been widely released elsewhere in the world: the UK, Asia and Australia all have DVD box sets. And in those countries it is a well-known show not just amongst die-hard fans, but a young audience generally (who watch Charmed, Alias, Xena, Buffy, OC and all that stuff). And Jackson and Owen haven't played top-billed roles elsewhere, they have always shared top-billing with their co-stars, is in X-men, Closer, Swordfish, Gosford Park etc. Van Helsing and King Arthur were their one and only biggest leading roles and they are unnotable because they flopped. Jackman shared top-billing with his co-stars in X-Men (his most notable role). Perhaps Alexander is mentioned as Farrel's biggest title role because an editor of his page shares the same logic as you, but I would dispute it too. "Biggest title role" and "most notable role" are not the same thing, and that's my emphatic point. MK Conquest was her debut role (of acceptable notability), Nibelungs is the film she is most famous for internationally (America, UK, Germany and all of Scandinavia know her from it). No-one outside America knows her from BloodRayne, and even then I'm sure a lot of Americans wouldn't be familiar with it either, so it's not one of her "notable" roles (notable: prominent, important, and worthy of notice). 80.43.44.96 21:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal from LBGT and Bisexual categories

WP:BLP mandates that unsourced material that may be potentially controversial must be removed immediately. There is nothing in this article to support that Loken is bisexual or LBGT. All that is stated here is that there is speculation. This is unacceptable under the policy. If there is a verified source that indicates that she is gay or bi, or has self-identified as same in reputable media, then this can be reinstated, though the source must be given in the article. I'm less concerned about her being listed in the LBGT Wikiproject because of her involvement with The L Word, although I wouldn't want her to be categorized based upon speculation otherwise. 23skidoo (talk) 12:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh that's easy to cite... there's an interview at AfterEllen.com, readable here, where she is discussing her recent engagement to a guy and she openly states she is bisexual:
AE: So, to be clear, you're still openly bisexual.
KL: Sure, I mean, it's not like something you choose. I certainly didn't choose it, so I think that's always going to be part of who I am and what I'm about. It was just a matter of the person. It could've been a woman just as easily, and it wasn't. But I also think it was where I was in my life that I really was ready to find a life partner. I was with a woman when I met Noah, so I really wasn't expecting something like that to happen, but who knows? Such is life.
So will you do the right thing and revert your removal? Tabercil (talk) 13:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)