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[edit] Vandal tags

I sometimes forget to add them...thanks for the reminder.--MONGO 07:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Same here! Thanks for the reminder. Exacerbation 14:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Same here as well. Thanks for the reminder! —SpyMagician 20:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I will be more careful when I post from now on.--Rholz3 13:34 17 July 2007 AEST

[edit] Timothy McVeigh

There's really no way around it except for posting on WP:AIV and WP:ANI. User:Zoe|(talk) 20:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Question on vandalism warning

Haha thanks for spotting it. It is a known bog of VP2, in fact the edit I reverted was [1]. I think Daniel is aware of it and I hope it'll be corrected soon :). The damn IP never got the test2 warning it deserved, too bad ;). Thanks again! -- lucasbfr talk 18:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City of Faith footnotes

No problem. I removed the detail about the Praying Hands sculpture because it didn't seem terribly relevant and is already adequately covered at Oral Roberts University. Camerafiend 00:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A username similar to yours is on RfC

Hey, a user with a username very similar to yours has been brought up for a RfC because of their username, you might want to take a look at the RfC discussion. --Matthew 03:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Please do not target one or more user's pages or talk pages for abuse or insults, unwarranted doctoring or blanking, as you did with ME. It can be seen as vandalism and may get you blocked from editing Wikipedia. 72.145.94.136 13:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC) I was simply restoring large amounts of content that he removed by blanking [2]

Actually what you did was speciously give a copyvio warning [3] to User:Sherurcij for a properly {{PD_USGov}}-tagged image. The six additional warnings [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] you have given since then make this issue look more like a case of WP:HARASS. --Kralizec! (talk) 14:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summary

Are you impling that I am not polite to other users? By the way, are you saying that I use edit summaries for only 19% of my major edits? (Iuio 19:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

I get your point but I am irritated by your impling that I am rude to other users. (Iuio 05:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

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[edit] Quebrada Carhuasanta update

Hi Kralizec!,

I checked out your update on the Source of the Amazon page. Nice edit. Though I just took out the 'gorge' description at the beginning. It's not a gorge but a creek running through an open valley.

The source of the 1982 and 1985 section comes from a later edition of National Geographic, early 90's I think. I will check it up. Loren McKintyre wrote an anniversary article on the original expedition and a bit on the history. Also I can supply a photo, but how to upload??? If it's not up there yet then I havent figured it out yet. Hints welcome.

All the best Gary caganoff —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gary caganoff (talk • contribs) 07:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Homer Laughlin

Thanks for letting me know about the Homer Laughlin stub template. I had a feeling the artist stub might be inaccurate, but I put it because of the type of business he was described as founding. However, based on your description of him, I think that {{US-business-bio-stub}} would fit pretty well. The category page states: This category is for stub articles relating to biographies of American business executives, entrepreneurs, and other captains of industry. So, I'm going to change it to that. Thanks for your help! :) --CrazyLegsKC 15:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two years for a welcome?

I've been contributing to and editing Wikipedia for nearly two years.

How is it that you left a "welcome to Wikipedia" boilerplate on my userpage comment section now? --Robotech_Master 14:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Oklahoma City bombing

Thanks for the comment, I enjoy improving articles that I have some knowledge about and scouring the internet for information and sources to include. I lived two hours away when it happened on an Air Force base and was able to visit the site a few months after it happened. Since then I have followed the trial and execution of McVeigh fairly closely. I have recently had several actors and films reach GA and thought I should work on improving some more notable articles such as the OKCB. I'm hoping with more assistance from other editors and new information, I can help get it to FA, which would be my first. Good job on the images, I've only been able to add fair-use ones to the article. I now live in California, but at some point, I would really like to revisit Oklahoma and see the memorial that has been established. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your efforts! --Nehrams2020 22:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I did not add any personal points of view. I added purely neutral facts to the Oklahoma city bombing page. Your removal of my links to News reports from the day and a resume of an expert, and his name, from the article shows a sickening bias. You are a horrible editor. You deserve no such power. Why are you trying to bury such simple FACTS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.104.2.124 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Active user verification

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[edit] WP:UW future?

Hi Kralizec!,

Sorry for the blatant spam, but you have yourself down as interested at WikiProject user warnings WP:UW. There is a discussion on going here that might be of interest to you about the future of this project. There are two strawpolls on the talk pages and the second one is about the future of the WP:UW project. Now we have the end in sight we are looking at wrapping up the project and merging it with Template messages/User talk namespace WP:UTM and creating a one stop shop for all userspace template issue. As you have yourself down as interested in this project we thought you may have some input on this issue, and would like you to visit the discussion and give any thoughts you may have on the matter. Cheers Khukri 10:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style

Hello! I am sorry about incorrectly correcting your correction. (sorry about how that came out, I don't know how else to put it.) I mistaked that for my own mistake. (sorry about how that came out too.) Thank you for updating me on how to style, and I will remember it in my future edits. Wpktsfs 01:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

I wanted to thank you so much for my review. I'm gonna be more careful about edits, and thank you for the advice. Also, thank you so much for your kind words. Have a wonderful day! Saber girl08 20:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Seven Wonders of the World

Thanks for bringing to my attention the sockpuppets and vandals at the pages on your watchlist. I added the articles to mine as well. You can report them to WP:AIV as well, if they have already been warned for vandalism. I will keep an eye on it for now. - Gilliam 16:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


very interesting your link http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6434001 nearly 5 lines and advertising banner. Who is the vandal? seems just you.Alexlot 08:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

A few points:
  1. the link was not added by me, so you could hardly call it mine [10]
  2. regardless, it meets the external links guidelines
  3. National Public Radio is considered a reliable source
My presumption is that this claim (as well as the vandalism claim you left on my talk page [11]) is in response to the Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Alexlot case I brought against you. --Kralizec! (talk) 13:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from Talk:New Seven Wonders of the World)

I have written about a specific external link YOU have posted, you answer about a issue that it is discussed in anhother page. Good job, but your link is a commercial site because it contain advertising banner!!! After festivity i will write something in problematic administrators pages (if you are an administrator).Alexlot 14:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

please don't cry!!! you have poster a external link with 4 lines e some advertising banner, against the wiki policy. I have posted a external link that it has been cancels 4 March without any reason after several weeks in "seven wonders" voice, weeks during which it was not vandalism. So not to make the victim. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:New_Seven_Wonders_of_the_World" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alexlot (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm waiting for an answer about what i have written.Alexlot 08:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Your English is significantly better than my Italian, but unfortunately I do not follow what you are trying to say. --Kralizec! (talk) 12:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from Talk:New Seven Wonders of the World)
I pointed this user [12] to many of the relevant policies and guidelines on the Italian Wikipedia, which he apparently refuses to read. He has berated me for not answering his questions (which I have), but he has not once validly answered a single point I've made. He also continues to insist he's not a vandal at every chance, despite the fact that I never once called him a vandal. Despite all this, the part that's negating any good faith is that, upon his insistence that his links are acceptable, I've invited him to put it up for community discussion in the articles' talk pages, but he has yet to do so. (I don't consider his post on the Seven Wonder talk to be an attempt at discussion - he's just spouting off at you.) He's locked in an argument of "other people have done it without getting caught, so why can't I?" and I'm convinced he just wants his links posted, regardless of community standards or consensus. --Mary quite contrary (hai?) 23:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks for the welcome.

I wonder what made you decide to give me a welcome note. I was surprised, but that's a good thing. Maybe one of these days I will do my own talk page.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jacksonian3623 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the welcome Kralizec. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yeatesy (talk • contribs) 00:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How's your hair doing?

Thanks for giving me a heads-up on Alexlot's post. I didn't realize that I forgot to reply to your last message until I got the newer one...sorry! I'm not sure if there's any amount of reason he'll listen to, so I'm done trying. Sounds awful, but I don't want to keep getting all riled-up like that.

Hope I helped keep some more of the hair on your head where it belongs. ;) --Mary quite contrary (hai?) 05:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 14 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shenaz Treasurywala, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 15:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial sites

Hello Kralizec!. I have just deleted the link you replaced in the elongated coin article as it is in contrvention of Wikipedia's policy on external links:

  • "Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services."

ThanxTheriac 18:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your hard work to help clean up unnecessary commercial links from Wikipedia articles. We love to see new members doing such BOLD! work, and to see it within a member's first 100 days on Wikipedia is most impressive! In regards to your six edits [13] to the Elongated coin article, you did an excellent job in removing three of the external links, however I felt that sharpened versions of the final two links were quite valuable to the article, and added [14] them back in. Per our guidelines on external links, both contain "meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion" (in this case, both list hundreds of locations where coin elongation machines can be found across the world), and neither have "objectionable amounts of advertising" (I could not find any ads on the sharpened links that I re-inserted, or any commercial links on the sub-links from those pages). As such, I feel that both of these links merit inclusion in elongated coin.
Additionally, as a relatively new member to the community, you may wish to familiarize yourself with our official policy on consensus and specifically the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which indicate that when a fellow editor reverts one of your bold edits, rather than revert it back (as you did [15]), you should instead take the issue to the talk page and discuss the change. This is especially important because unilaterally reverting other editors' reverts can lead to a counterproductive -and often disastrous- edit war. (Personally I am an adherent of the one-revert rule.) Thanks again for your hard work and enthusiasm to improve Wikipedia, and please let me know if you have any other questions or issues. Thanks, --Kralizec! (talk) 22:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Theriac)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the greet. I've been a longterm minor editor, just using my ip address, for quite some time. I decided to finally create a username before I started working on the ship articles I worked on earlier today. --TnoWatanabe 22:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I think I am going to join it, as well as some other military history and related projects. I'm a GS civilian, a mil brat, and a military history enthusiast, so it's right up my alley. --TnoWatanabe 22:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I wasn't experimenting.

I removed a redundancy about the Ryder truck used in the bombing. Go back and look at the line I changed again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.225.109.205 (talk) 22:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Re: Discussions elsewhere

Thank-you for your support on the issue. I decided to back right off when I was accused of impropriety, so it is reassuring that other editors have stepped up to try to reduce the boil to a simmer. As you evidently know, I only have the best interests of the project in mind. Thanks again, Jerry 02:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Hi, thanks for the advice. I've been noticing those on some pages, and I've been meaning to try them out. I wasn't sure whether or not I was supposed to be using them, so thanks for clarifying that. I'll see if I like using them, since it sounds like there's no reason to not... unless I'm short on time. - hmwith 16:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Since you're a pro on these, I was wondering if you could help me out with citations. How do you make them say "abcde" in the refs instead of saying the source name 5 times? Thanks in advance! - hmwithtalk 21:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much! - hmwithtalk 08:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] aquiria

well, a big fish tank in Oklahoma might be sort of close to one in Tennessee, I suppose. No, my mistake in working too late at night. Thanks Hmains 02:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Ballot Measure 16

Thanks for explaining, but I didn't really have any question about your motivation…just saw an opportunity to point out how my objection fit in with the guideline. Thanks for chiming in! -Pete 04:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pensacola Christian College

I removed the section in question because I was checking every unaccredited college's articles yesterday, as you can tell from my edit history, and the section does not fit well in the article. It says "It should be noted that some other Christian colleges are accredited". Why is this worthy of inclusion? Though, I can see its worthiness as compared to later parts: The section goes on to say "It is also worth noting that the college does try to help graduates who are seeking further education in graduate school but have been denied admission based on PCC's unaccredited status." I find this unnotable not only because this seems anecdotal, but if a student is not accepted to a school because PCC is unaccredited, PCC can't do anything about it: rules are rules, hence accreditation altogether. Finally, the last part reads "Graduates are encouraged to contact the school for assistance if they are having difficulty gaining admittance into other schools." Same reasons as above, but advice seems a little out of place for a Wikipedia article, and where are the sources for this? Especially comparing this section to that of other articles, I'm removing it again and including an edit summary. My apologies for making this so long, but if you have any other ideas for improvement or how to word it better just let me know. Panfakes 16:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

As a grad of PCC I know first hand that the PCC administration is very active in giving recommendations for their graduates. As a grad I have personaly heard PCC administration tell future graduates that they will contact graduate schools. Panfakes does have a point about rules being rules, but I have known cases where rules have been bent. Just the same I am not a citeable source for this information, and I am not here to dispute Panfakes' statement. I tend to agree that the information is a little out of place. Mortsey 13:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MAKE ME ADMIN

MAKE ME ADMIN ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Janzenh2.5 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry & thank you!

I've moved a couple of articles... OOPS! I didn't know any better. Thanks so much for informing me. That's what I took from the moving articles page, but I guess I didn't read it very well. Thanks again so much for letting me know now. I definitely won't mess up something like that again. - hmwith talk 16:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Preview to test

Thanks for the reminder. In retrospect, I should definitely should have done that. - hmwithtalk 11:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Possibly :) There've been a few novice users that gave other people a "stop that or I'll block you" message without intending to (or, for that matter, being capable of blocking anyone). I also recently made a template to warn admins to not delete the main page, but it got deleted... >Radiant< 14:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Ah, there you go:

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite all admins to use their tools constructively to our encyclopedia. One or more of your recent deletions, such as the one you made to the Main Page, have been considered unhelpful or unconstructive and have been undeleted or undone. If you do this again you may be deopped or banned without warning. Thank you.

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[edit] Re Arab League

Hi Kralizec!

Love the work you have done with Arab League! The new template looks excellent!

Thanks!  If any of the articles listed here are on your watchlist, I'm hoping the template can also be used there. Thanks again for your encouragement!  Giving my keyboard a break before it runs out of exclamation marks, David (talk) 03:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sea Peoples

Thanks buddy. I'm not done quite yet. There are additional important hypothesis such as the introduction of new weaponry and the economic collapse.Dave 01:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Wonders of the World

In this case, I may have made a mistake during RC patrol. I issued what is known as a 24-hour {{schoolblock}} to this shared IP which I did not feel was entirely uncalled for given the circumstances. You may want to review WP:IP as I have. Regards, - Gilliam 06:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos and Ramsey

Hello, I noticed that you identified yourself as a photographer which made me come read your user page. I'm an avid photographer myself. Then I noticed that we share the same last name. Perhaps if you go back far enough we are related. -- RM 00:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BGSU userbox

Thanks--I'm glad someone else is using it! Mwillia9 04:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Article on C&S

FYI - I am the creator of the C&S article, and I also have a very intimate knowledge of what is happening with this lawsuit, or not happening, I should say. I do not like the lawsuit being put as a primary part of the C&S profile, but have elected not to remove it, as I think it's better to let other people make up their own minds about lawyers trying to sway public opinion through the use of Wikipedia. I DO however take offense at my article being reduced to a discussion of a lawsuit by the usage of that tag to refer to the entire article as a discussion of litigation proceedings.

I will be removing that tag, again. I am steadfast that this article is not about litigation. It is a company profile, not a litigation article, and if anyone would bother to check the docket of the court in which this lawsuit was filed, they may find that said lawsuit will likely not be heard in any court of law anytime soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.237.142.241 (talk) 15:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Thank you!

Thank you for taking such prompt action on the issue I posted in ANI! --vi5in[talk] 19:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Check it out

Hey, check out the new Mark VI monorail page changes and let me know what you think. HeadMouse 11:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)HeadMouse

Had I only known what you would do I'd never told you about the article. You always seem to find some stupid little thing to cause a problem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HeadMouse (talk • contribs) 03:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Well thank you for catching that. I think that I will start again from scratch on that article.--MrFishGo Fish 15:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Associated Banc-Corp

Nothing particularly pressing. The timeline style of the history section is what caught my attention. Gimme danger 07:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prayer tower picture

Your welcome, it is a nice picture.Okiefromokla•talk 17:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re:Thanks!

Not a problem. I was actually in the midst of reverting all of her recent edits when she did that. Sheesh!  :-) - eo 21:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Counter-revolutionary

I have responded on my talk page. Please assume good faith. --Counter-revolutionary 16:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Check this please

Ok, Before I do too much. can you please go to the Mark VI monorail article and check the changes I made and see if they are ok?

Thanks HeadMouse 20:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)HeadMouse

[edit] Image Question

I have "co-pilot" license that the monorail pilots hand out at Walt Disney World. The car has the ©Disney on the front. Which Licensing do I need to select?

[edit] Oops

I'm sorry, I didn't know what those were. I'll put them back. Speciate 02:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC) If you take a look at Talk:Chicago metropolitan area you will see that I was just engaged in a battle to change "Chicagland" to "Chicago metropolitan area." There is a persistent anonymous user who reverted my edits, so I am putting them back. In other words, he unfixed my redirects (or redirected my unfixes?). Anyway, they have to go. Speciate 03:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Citations

How did you add those citation tags to the Mark VI monorail page? HeadMouse 06:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)HeadMouse

Never minde I figured it out. HeadMouse 08:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)HeadMouse

[edit] YMMV

My apologies. I believe that several messages came in in close succession, and I failed to spot yours. It was not an intentional loack of response. If you seriously feel that the articles should be in the encyclopedia as well as in other parts of the project, I will resurrect them. No problem, and once again my apologies for the apparent rudeness.--Anthony.bradbury 21:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, done. I think the abbreviation may yet be tagged for speedy, but I shall not do it. The main article might be hit for WP:AfD, which I will take no part in.--Anthony.bradbury 21:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rip Off

I recently ripped off a feature of your userpage and dumped it into a navbox. Figured I oughta let you know and give you a chance to grab and dupe it: User:Mrzaius/TravelTemplate. Thanks! MrZaiustalk 09:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Warning system

Hello. I'm in agreement with the recent revert you made to Seven Wonders of the World. You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. --Kralizec! (talk) 21:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kralizec, I'm aware of all the warning templates, but I actually respectfully disagree with you that it's appropriate to use them after every single incidence of edit reversion. As cautiously worded as the {{uw-delete1}} template is I really believe these templates intimidate and discourage users who made a single, trivial mistake. In the case of "Seven Wonders of the World," the edit I reverted was over 30 minutes old and it was clear that the contributor was making no further edits. I think it's important to look at an edit history before slapping on templates (for example, if you'd looked at mine you might have seen I make frequent use of the warnings templates.) But at any rate, I appreciate that you're keeping a keen eye on things. --JayHenry 21:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Do you think you could redirect Waluigi? He fails WP:FICT like these current characters, but more importantly, I want to see what the user that keeps reverting me does. He has a bizarre grudge that keeps him reverting the page and refusing to acknowledge my messages on his talk page. I want to see if it's just me, or if he is going to do that to all users. TTN 23:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

I rarely if ever put an adit summary for minor edits. I thought that's what "minor" meant, just typos or something. I'll try to remember in the future, but I edit a lot of artciles sometimes for spelling and grammar and I suppose I get lazy. SpookyMulder 09:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No problem

No problem :-) Just remember in future that * is a bullet and # is a number sign. Happy editing! WooyiTalk to me? 23:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image

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[edit] My RfA ...

Hi. Thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was successful and I am now an admin. If I can ever be of help, please let me know. Cheers, Black Falcon (Talk) 06:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XV (May 2007)

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[edit] USRD Newsletter - Issue 9

The U.S. Roads WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, Issue 9 9 June 2007 About the Newsletter
Departments: Features: State updates
Project news Highways notability guideline? California
Deletion debates Portal debate Maryland
Featured member Three new GAs
From the editors Exit list debates
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[edit] Problem

See this. HeadMouse randomly created a sub-page for me and pretended to have you write something, as he is the only person to contribute to the page, its obviously not you. You might want to say something to him, he is running around pretending to be you. --trey 00:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Block

His block expires in 4 minutes. Please prepare for mass amounts of vandalism and another edit war.--trey 17:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for the message. I am new here and apparently have pissed a few people off. I will do my best to not edit other editor reverts. Thanks again. Peace. Spartan-James 17:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mea culpa

I am sorry that my actions this morning have been deemed inappropriate, my intention was never to spam Wikipedia. In looking around pages for some of the hobby areas my web properties serve, I saw similar or competing entities with external links and concluded that was an appropriate place for such links. As for the NumisMaster page that has been tagged for speedy deletion, I am trying to explain the history of my organization's involvement in the coin collecting industry, as I have seen in entries for other organizations. I did not consider it blatant advertising, but apparently it has been deemed so. I will study the site's criteria and try to go about this again the right way.

Hey there, I apologize about that move, I am trying to make this a better place. Let me know in more detail what I should do next time if you have the time.

[edit] Disney monorail archiving

I'm going to go and do this properly. I'm not sure what purpose keeping flames around is supposed to serve, but the current archive is broken. Chris Cunningham 16:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apology accepted

Your apologiy is completely accepted. It was an accident. And anyway, even a deliberate removal could be acceptable as I could understand someone who didn't realise where she was built wondering why she was tagged for WP Scotland. Anyhow, I often do stuf like that, so no worries! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 06:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SUSPSOCK

Hello again. You may want to follow the dialogue on my talk page. I think he is replying from an anonymous account now. Thanks Jerry 13:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Responded

I responded to you on my own talk page, to keep the conversation in one place. --Maelwys 14:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] COSI Columbus

Hey Kralizec, the citation I added to the COSI article did make reference to the appearance of rat basketball on the Animal Planet show, but you have to listen to the audio to hear it (or purchase the transcript). I had actually intended to leave the original reference in as well as the new one. I'll go ahead and beef it up a bit. When you get a chance, take a look and see what you think. Aelffin 16:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... could be my mistake. It's possible that this is a different story from the one I heard on the radio around the same time. At any rate, I found the link to the video of the actual show, so the content should be well-cited now. When I get home from work, I'll watch the video to be sure though. Aelffin 17:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Georgia

hahah... good eye! i wish i'd visited Sakartvelo. Aelffin 17:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Template Removal

Im sorry I probably didn't mean to remove it. I think it may have gotten removed when I was removing the "stub" categories from articles that I thought were too long to be called stubs. sry Fusion7 22:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On the subject of reverting.

You wrote on my talk page "Hello. You should probably leave a uw-npov1 warning after reverting other editors" I hate to continualy claim ignorance on such things but I am. If you could post back on my talk page. Is there a way to correct my error. Mortsey 02:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sky Financial

Hey there - hope you're doing well. Thanks for the clean up on my contrib to the Sky Financial page. I do admit that I was over the line on the NPOV, but as my small town just lost our financial center just this past week after nearly 60 years, I was feeling a little heartsick. It was especially hard being as I also worked there for quite a few years until 2004. The friends and relationships that were forged from my relationship with the bank leaves me with a hole in my heart. But time shall heal all wounds.

I'm guessing that, given your very nice picture of Lisbon "square" that you perhaps work for Sky?

I live just a few a miles west of Bowling Green, your alma mater. Try and cheer the Falcons on whenever I get the chance.

Cheers! Joe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westonjoe (talk • contribs) 23:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: HeadMous

Thanks for the . . . "heads" up. I know there have been many problems with that particular user, but as I'll be away for the next few days I suggest you take it up at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Exploding Boy 23:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Mighty Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
for dealing with HeadMouse correctly --trey 17:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USRD Newsletter - Issue 10

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Volume 1, Issue 10 7 July 2007 About the Newsletter
Departments: Features: State updates
Project news Kentucky subproject promoted California
Deletion debates AID restructuring Maryland
Featured member GA status Pennsylvania
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[edit] Seven wonders of the reverted world

Yeah, but after tomorrow, they'll drop back to quiesence, or however you spell that. - DavidWBrooks 16:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:League of Arab States map 2007.png

My edits were made in good fath. Israel has never been part of the League of Arab States, nor does the Arab League claim it is, it is POV to claim otherwise. I have reverted your revert. I don't normally edit political articles, but this is unjustifiable on your part. Epson291 08:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Omitting Comoros was a mistake, I readded it. Epson291 09:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, sorry for the delay in responding. The way it appears is that as if the Sate of Israel's actual 1948 borders are disputed, which is infactual, coloring over an internationally recognized, sovereign nation is not right or factual, and, I'm not sure the Arab League still feeels like that. If certain countries of the Arab League claim Israel is theres, let the article reflect that, but, today, 3 of Israel's neigbours, Egypt, Jordan, and the P.L.O., recognize Israel, and the entire Arab League has floated a peace proposal. And technically, as for coloring the Palestinian terrorties green, they are not even a country, and parts of their land is disputed, as Israel considers some of it disputed terrority.
Anyways, the blue should stay removed , but I don't understand, a league can't control/claim land, a country has to do that, and since the Olso accords the P.L.O (Palestians), have recognized Israel's 1948 borders, so there is nothing for the Arab League to control/claim, because a league can't control land! (and as for the Golan, it's too small to appear on the map anywyas. I think the irony of this might Israel is so tiny you can barely even see it on the map. Epson291 22:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XVI (June 2007)

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[edit] Thanks for the tips

Hi Kralizec. Thanks for the useful pointers. It is nice to have help from someone who knows what they are doing! All the best – Cakepotato —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cakepotato (talk • contribs) 10:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for your support in my unsuccessful RfA. I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me; however, this time around things just didn't work out. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Edit Summaries -- Response

Your request is duly noted, with apologies.--ukexpat 14:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to edit summaries request

(Please note that as Merbabu (talk · contribs) removes any messages "perceive[d] to be incivility, trolling or bullying" from his talk page, I am copying our (deleted) message exchange from his talk page to mine. --Kralizec! (talk) 23:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

Hello. Please be courteous to other editors and use edit summaries when updating articles. The Mathbot tool shows your usage of edit summaries to be somewhat low:

Edit summary usage for Merbabu: 47% for major edits and 77% for minor edits. Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits in the article namespace.

Using edit summaries helps other editors quickly understand your edits, which is especially useful when you make changes to articles that are on others' watchlists. Thanks and happy editing! --Kralizec! (talk) 12:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I also note it but without apologies, as I am always careful with courtesy and edit summaries. If you looked at my contribs instead of relying on a bot, you will see this to be the case. And why just the last 150? Please also look at people contributions rather than simply relying on a bot. If you still have a problem, I'd suggest bringing up specific examples with me.
My advice (since it's being given out freely) is to rephrase you comment - in telling me and others to be 'courteous' you no doubt you mean no harm, but it can be easily taken the wrong way. see WP:KETTLE --Merbabu 22:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Please accept my apologies if you perceived my previous message as being impolite or inconsiderate, as that was not the spirit in which it was made. My intention was to leave a friendly request encouraging you to use edit summaries more than your current 47%/77% average. As noted on the WP:ES guideline, using edit summaries makes reviewing watchlists and edit histories much easier for other editors. While the guideline recommends that editors should "always fill in the summary field," it is just a guideline and not policy. Ultimately I hope you extend this consideration to others, but the choice is yours. Thank you for your time, Kralizec! (talk) 00:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dolza from Robotech Macross.jpg

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[edit] Generations reformatting

I posted to the Wikipedia:Templates for Deletion#Template:Generations a suggestion to reformat this awful table into a useful navigation box. I'd be interested in your thoughts at the tfd.  ∴ Therefore  talk   12:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Tristar-class cruiser.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Khyron the Backstabber from Robotech Macross.jpg

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[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator selection

The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process is starting. We are looking to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by August 14! Kirill 03:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Dolza from Robotech Macross.jpg)

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[edit] An important letter

Dear roads editor,

You may have noticed some changes at WP:USRD lately. Some of them, like the cleanup templates and the stub templates, have been astounding and great. Unfortunately, others have been disturbing.

This has become evidenced by the departure of a few prominent editors at USRD, a few RFC's, and much fighting among USRD editors.

After the second RFC, many of us found the opportunity to take a step away from Wikipedia for a while--as a self-imposed wikibreak, or possibly on vacation.

The result of such introspection was that many of us were placing ourselves in a "walled garden" and on a self-imposed pedestal of authority over the roads department. Also, we were being hostile to a few users who were not agreeing with us.

In fact, IRC has been the main incarnation of this "walled garden." Decisions have been made there to conduct grudges and prejudices against a few valued USRD users with poor justification.

For this, we have come to apologize. We have come to ask your forgiveness.

In addition to this, we hope to work as one USRD team from now on and to encourage cooperation instead of the promotion of interests.

All users are welcome to collaborate on IRC, the newsletter, or anywhere else at USRD.

In the future, please feel free to approach us about any issues you may have.

Regards,

Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 17:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robotech Images

Thank you for your comment. Firstly I'm not exactly sure how I can save them. I was the person that scanned the images (or stated where I found the images), I noted this and posted all the info I had on the images and yet they are tagged for deletion. I am tired of my images getting removed and deleted after I have tried to follow all the rules to the best of my ability. I use to love trying to spruce up wikipedia but it has just worn on me and I no longer have th passion for it that I once did. Thank you for your kind words though. Dstorres (talk)

[edit] Super Duper Tuesday Article

Some states have moved up their primaries, not for special privilege or to increase their influence over and above smaller states, but to make what had been a diminished vote of each citizen in that state, more equal to states who previously held their primary earlier. For example, in the 2004 democratic primary in New Jersey, supporters of candidates other than John Kerry did not even apparently show up at the June 5th primary, and Kerry received 94 percent of the vote. Supporters of Howard Dean in that election had no say whatsoever in the outcome. I appreciated citation in this article to the New York Times article which included positive comments on the reasons why New Jersey moved up its primary. I also appreciated the look, feel and professionalism of the article.

If wrote an article for Wikipedia, it would be difficult to erase a personal point of view from the article on subjects I felt strongly about. Part of the accuracy of Wikipedia articles comes not in the form of the choice of reputable sources, but in decisions about which points of view from those sources should be mentioned in the article. If I prepared a Wikipedia article, I may be reluctant to include a blank section entitled "positive opinions," and include a written section entitled "negative opinions," if the sources I cited include both positive and negative opinions. The blank section could easily be misinterpreted as an editorial comment itself, to make the comment that there were no positive opinions. Bri2499 11:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summaries Note

Hi Kralizec - received your note on edit summaries. Is there a specific article I've messed up or just in general? Cheers Buckshot06 06:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Kirill 17:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry for the link spam

I was not aware of the rules, now I know. It won't happen again. Although I think the last entry is link spam in disguise.

http://www.texascooking.com/fiestaware/

It doesn't take you to the "Forum". It takes you to a commercial site, that has a message board, that you have to 'dig' for.

q

[edit] USRD Newsletter - Issue 11

The U.S. Roads WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, Issue 11 18 August 2007 About the Newsletter
Departments: Features: State and national updates
Project news Cleanup system revamped Assessment
Deletion debates Stubs renamed New York
Featured member IRC channel goes global
From the editors Minnesota bridge collapses
One year after SRNC: A reflection
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[edit] edit summaries

Thank you for the heads up

sorry about the late response, I have not been able to login for 2 weeks. Mr. Killigan 00:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Redirect of KDY

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[edit] Seven Ancient Wonders of the World

Nifty. I don't think I have the tools to move and rename (yes I was planning on WP:BOLDly trying to fix the article, but there was a small chance of BOLDly screwing it up), but if you're adminified, then it's past time this page was corrected. If there's anything I can do let me know. BURNyA 18:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wonder-full

Bad joke. Anyway, the disambiguation page looks great. I'm glad you were able to take the time to do it. I'm still a wee bit green and would have taken a much longer time while being sloppier. Thanks again. BURNyA 19:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reassessment to NA

What is NA in regards to "class" for the wikiprojects (military and ships)? I see no such option. Do you mean Not Applicable? In that case, feel free to delete the wikiproject tags. I think I may have been the one to add them, but if I'm adding non-relevant pages I'd like to know, and an explanation on what makes them non-relevant would be educational so I don't cause more rework for others. Thanks! Speficially, I'm referring to your recent edit of Frigates and destroyer escorts of the United States Navy. - 20:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ageekgal (talk • contribs)

Hello. Thanks for lending a hand with article assessments in the Military history and Ships WikiProjects. However you may wish to review the projects' assessment instructions (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Assessment and Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment) as I noticed that you had performed a couple of non-standard assessments. Specifically in the case of Category talk:Frigates and destroyer escorts of the United States Navy, non-article pages (templates, disambiguation pages, cats, etc.) are generally given a "NA" designation by both projects for both class and importance. Likewise for Talk:Garcia class frigate, the assessment criteria at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Assessment#Importance assessment indicates that ship classes typically are assigned a "high" importance, with "top" importance generally reserved for ship types (however there are a few notable exceptions). Thanks again for your help, and please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or issues. --Kralizec! (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USRD Newsletter - Issue 12

The U.S. Roads WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, Issue 12 • September 1, 2007 • About the Newsletter
Departments
Features
State and national updates
Archives • Newsroom • Full Issue • Shortcut: WP:USRD/NEWS
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[edit] Revert to article

Sorry I don't remember rervting, what I did try to do this morning was unwatch the article so I may have hit revert by mistake. If it hasn't been restored I will go back and restore the original. Cheers. Adam.J.W.C. 01:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I have restored to previous version. Cheers. Adam.J.W.C. 01:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Oklahoma Newsletter

Greetings! This is a random delivery of the WikiProject Oklahoma newsletter, the "WikiOkie Reporter". You will not recieve this again unless you sign up.


The WikiOkie Reporter

WikiProject Oklahoma's Newsletter
Issue 1 - September 2007

Discuss this newsletter

Your second or third stop for WikiProject Oklahoma News

WikiProject Oklahoma releases new newsletter

September 2007 brings a new face to WikiProject Oklahoma: a newsletter. As in all of Wikipedia, the new WikiOkie Reporter (tenative name) is intended to be a collaborative effort among editors. Anyone can edit it: this month's newsletter is placed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Oklahoma/newsletter/aug07, but next month's will be placed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Oklahoma/newsletter/oct07, with the following month at /newsletter/nov07, and so on. While this month's article's were initially written by User:Okiefromokla, it is hoped other editors will be excited to contribute to articles, content, layout, and ideas. This is a completely new child of WikiProject Oklahoma, and it should reflect the collaborative work of everyone who's bored and has nothing to do for a few minutes. As such, anything can be discussed here: anything - layout, color scheme, pictures, content, etc.

The behind-the-scenes workings for the WikiOkie Reporter will be simple: anyone wishing to recieve the newsletter in their talk page may place their name at sign-up list, but they are more than free to remove their name from the same list at any time. Anyone wishing to discuss ideas or anything at all related to the newsletter may look no further than here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oklahoma/newsletter/talk.

Several WikiProjects already have ongoing newsletters, including Wikipedia: WikiProject North Dakota, from which WikiProject Oklahoma's newsletter has been based. For the time being, Okiefromokla will assume distribution responsibilities for the newsletter, maintaining the template, and writing articles from scratch if other editors have not done so by the 1st of the month.

Promotions on the rise

For many Wikipedians, summer is a time to kick back, relax, and make an occasional minor edit to their favorite few pages. Not so in WikiProject Oklahoma. Between May 12 and September, editors have been busily working on Oklahoma, Tulsa, and Woody Guthrie, and all three have been promoted. Prior to May, there were only seven Featured or Good articles in WikiProject Oklahoma.

On May 12, Tulsa was promoted from B-class to FA class after a few months of extensive editing. Its primary editors were User:Nmajdan, User:SandyGeorgia, User:Okiefromokla, and a handful of others. On August 25, Oklahoma was promoted from B-class to FA class after a month-long blitz. User:Okiefromokla, User: SandyGeorgia, and several anonymous IPs contributed heavily to the article. On June 13, 2007, Woody Guthrie was promoted from B-Class to GA class after two failed attempts at promotion. User:Dannygutters, User:Gaff, User:Maenpong, and a handful of others contributed most to the article.

This month's task: Assess articles! Check out all these unassessed articles to help out!

The WikiProject Oklahoma newsletter is a work in progress so please share your ideas about how the newsletter can be improved.
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Thanks. It's sort of like a rough draft until more people get involved. Feel free to contribute to it if you so desire! Okiefromokla•talk 23:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tribal class destroyer

Doesn't worry me. I wasn't the one who originally classed it. I just copied it over from MILHIST. -- saberwyn 21:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XVIII (August 2007)

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The first comment I would argue has nothing to do with Wikpedia. Perhaps if it was re-formatted to become a discussion based on the criticism of the MNNA policy, then yes, perhaps it could turn into such a thing. But besides that, since it isn't, and since it can't be changed, it is rather just Anti-Americanism and un-needed criticism of a foreign policy without contributing to the page. I guess I'll go criticize Russian foreign policy now then.--24.10.59.229 20:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Please also issue warnings after reverting vandals

For some reason, TW isn't popping up a userpage anymore (even after browser restart)/cache clearing/etc, and I will remember next time :) Ty ICAPTCHA 19:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

No problem at all! You did the quality assessment, which is more time consuming than importance. I just wanted to give it an importance rating so that it doesn't show up as unassessed for the next bot update. I appreciate it when people add the WPCANADA template and actually take the time to assesses it as well, makes less work for me (I'm trying to assess all the WPCANADA articles except for John Babcock and Eric Peterson, which I worked on myself and thus cannot assess). Anyhow, I digress. Don't worry about it all, it was just a minor fix. Cheers, CP 15:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recognizing your kindness

☻ Someone has poured you tea ☺

--TheWikiLoner 13:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Category changes

Thanks for the welcome and the information! I wasn't sure how the system handled that automatically. I'll go fix what I changed and do as you indicated in the future. -- Jalanpalmer 19:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FCPB

Yeah, that was an oops. Thanks for catching it. -- saberwyn 23:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation, and life

Hey, I just got around to reading your User page and I had to comment on this:

Pet peeve: Articles that link to disambiguation pages instead of the correct article are the bane of my existence.

One of the first things I did after joining WP:SHIPS was (don't laugh!) go through every shipindex page, check 'what links here', and disambiguate every link. I SAID DON'T LAUGH.

Ironically, I am an IT and healthcare geek too - and my son was born in 2004. Are you my evil twin? Maralia 15:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am of the female persuasion, so I certainly hope I don't! However, being female alone could be argued as indicative of evilness. Maralia 02:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Have your page watchlisted, and saw the comment below; now we know what's wrong with the government - they use Comcast! Maralia 03:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] re:please do not remove information

The article you have edited contains classified information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.101.153 (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warnings!

Hello thanks for the message. Firstly what the anon ip did was remove referenced material as well as lines of infomation without himself adding a edid summary. However I do not go and warn every user I meet unless the edits are overtly offensive or blantent vandalism. Also it is evident the ip does not want warnings as he blanked the page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:69.254.101.153&action=history. Which I reverted. Have a good day! Phgao 02:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore I see you edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_Naval_reactor&action=history quite a bit and I welcome you following up on my reverts. Phgao 02:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes I always put "r" when I revert. I take that as being sufficient. In addition, I rarely revert contentious edits, always those that are blatent or remove referenced/sourced material or those that remove chunks of material without putting edit summaries themselves. Phgao 03:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Can I add that if "r" is not sufficient, and you would like me to give detailed explanations for each revert, that is not possible as when I'm reverting vandalism every 10 seconds on RCP, a simple "r" does it for me. Also I expect most using programs to assist in reverting would have added me to ignore, not showing my edits. Phgao 03:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry no one else has pointed this out to me, I believe I will stick to what I do. Most editors are not babies, and they should be able to understand that removing infomation without any desription of why, will lead to it being put back. Also if I were to place a tag, I would simply place a warn tag for vandalism, which every other RCP person does. Note that the warn tag does not really explain why either, but vandalism is vandalism. Phgao 03:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About New Seven Wonders of the World

revert changes to image sizes and addition of un-cited claims

Everyone who can read Portugues can confirme the fact by reading newspapers of the day as I wrote. Should there be sources in the Internet? --Morio 03:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Help Please

Hi. Against my better judgment I decided to once again try and start uploading images now that I though I knew what I needed to upload them and not have them deleted. Today I get a fair use dispute notice for the following: Image:AOFMrBig.jpg. Can you help me try and save this because I have the feeling that the rest of the images I've spent the last week and a half loading are next on the list. If you can thanks. Dstorres (talk) —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bushfire Edit

Dear Kralizec,

I was sent a message stating:

Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for experimenting with the page Bushfire, and for reverting your edits. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. In the future, please do not experiment on article pages; instead, use the sandbox. Thank you. --Kralizec! (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Umm... I wasn't experimenting, I just deleted some Spam someone put up. I can't remember exactly what it was about but all I did was delete some non sequitur. I didn't revert any edits that I remember.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.45.1 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 19 September 2007

Thank you for your message [16]. In reviewing [17] the edit history for Bushfire, it appears that I warned the wrong editor. Ooops, sorry about that. Thanks for letting me know about my mistake! --Kralizec! (talk) 13:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
No I didn't intend to revert those back into the article. Thank you for letting me know about the mistake I made. -- Bidgee 06:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Banks Template

Oh, that's fine. I wasn't adding personal favorites or anything. Just that I have a lot of Sky Banks in my area, and I know a lot of people who have Sky as their bank. (I myself bank at Citizens Bank.) And they're supposed to be officialy switching to Huntington this weekend. They already have the signs ready and everything, just covered in tarp with temporary SkyBank signs at the moment. I was just getting the template ready since by the end of the weekend, the SkyBank name will be no more. Just another sign of bank consolidation in this country.

And for the record, the other banks on that list in my area are Chase, PNC, National City, KeyBank, and Fifth Third. Strangely enough, we're starting to get Fifth Third in this area simply by them opening new branches as opposed to buying someone out.Jgera5 04:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USRD Inactivity check and news report

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[edit] Wonders of the World

I think the revamps are acceptable. I can think of various tweaks, but that's inevitable. Do you have problems with them? - DavidWBrooks 23:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not perfect, but personally I can live with it. I'm not sure it really matters all that much; as long as there are enough clear links between articles people can wander around and find what they want. - DavidWBrooks 12:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nehrams2020 RfA Thanks

Thank you for your participation in my RfA, which closed successfully with unanimous support. I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and vote and I can't wait to learn the new tools and further immerse myself into Wikipedia! Please don't hesitate to point out any errors I make so I can prevent them from occurring again. I'm always here to help, so if you ever need anything, just let me know. Also, thanks to Wizardman for nominating me and for guiding many other editors to become admins. Again, thank you and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 07:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Deleted edits?

Hmm, I don't know? I had a few article deleted, as well... before I fully knew the notability guidelines. And I helped clean up other articles that ended up being deleted as well. I also went through, adding a lot of WP:SPEEDY (and WP:AFD) templates to articles that were deleted. That's all of which I can think...  hmwith  talk 01:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, yeah, that's probably why. I used to have a bunch of pages in my userspace, which I deleted. I deleted my userpage and started over from scratch a bit back, as well.  hmwith  talk 01:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I did tons of practice edits on it, how to make templates, transclude, colors, etc. The edits were really building it, and it was overwhelming looking through the edit history. I decided that I just wanted to start over with it. No real set reason, really. It's just easier to look through the edit history now, and get rid of all of my random, messed up edits from before I knew that there was an "edit preview" button, haha.  hmwith  talk 14:33, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oklahoma City

Greetings. I've looked over the edit history of the Oklahoma City article and I'm not sure where the WP:OWN issue is coming in. Except for the picture in the lead that disrupts the TOC, which I see was reinserted after you removed it but I have since removed it again. Are there any issues im not seeing? Okiefromokla•talk 21:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem! I'm just happy someone has finally taken an interest in that article. Its been a long time coming. Okiefromokla•talk 21:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] N7W

Hello Karlizec!:

The N7W of the world were announced in ascending order, according to the number of votes each of them received. As you can see in the official broadcasting here [18] , the list was constucted in ascending order (everytime a new wonder is officially announced goes down in the list). I also read this in the news, I think that will be the best reference to add to the article, I will look for the sources and paste them. Thanks. AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 23:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ship names

Hello! No problem; I wasn't aware the ships naming convention wasn't the same as the standard. ELIMINATORJR 18:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psst

Time to archive, or remove embedded newsletters or something - your Contents list is overlapping embedded stuff. I bet the zombies are responsible for that too. Maralia 18:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikiproject ships

Thanks for invitation, I'm member now!

[edit] wikiproject ships

Thanks for invitation, I'm member now!

pogo935 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pogo935 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP Photography

I've replied to your most recent comments, if you'd like to have a look. Thanks much for responding! :) Girolamo Savonarola 21:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia has a new administrator!

Thanks, Archive 2007!
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[edit] Welcome

Thank you for the welcome message. I know that English wikipedia is not perfect, but it's a completely different level... Ozalid 17:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese wonders

I think you did a good job with the article. It as all the information of the portuguese one and I don't believe there is much more to say. Maybe the introduction could mention the fact that this event was the portuguese version of the New Seven Wonders of the World event and that it worked the same way (people voted in the Internet and by phone).

I did found one factual error. There is, indeed, a Conselho de Notáveis at the University of Évora, but it has nothing to do with this Conselho de Notáveis. The expression Conselho de Notáveis means something like council (board) of notable people. Here's a suggestion for that sentence: The contenders were further reduced to 21 finalist in four different categories by a board of notable architects, historians, politicians, businessmen, writers and other citizens (Conselho de Notáveis).

This is the source for the architects, historians, politicians, etc. information. Maybe the word citizens would work better with personalities instead. Maybe there is a good english equivalent expression for Conselho de Notáveis that could be used...

I haven't written or spoken in english for more then ten years, and, as you can see, my english is a bit rusty. That is why, for the time being, I don't dare to edit directly on the articles. But you can use this informations any way you think it's best. I'm sorry for not being able to be more helpful then this... Ozalid 21:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of British and United States military ranks compared

An article that you have been involved in editing, British and United States military ranks compared, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British and United States military ranks compared. Thank you. Caerwine Caer’s whines 22:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your help at ANI - I appreciate the positive and constructive way in which you contributed. I'll be steering clear of that page for a while, as I really can't cope with the atmosphere there at the moment, and there aren't enough people like you contributing! Best wishes, DuncanHill 13:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment removal

I think that's a recent change in policy; one of my first actions on Wikipedia (2-3 yrs ago) was to remove a welcome message or comment, and I was kindly told my another editor to leave it on my talk page, as a record of communication. Also, I've seen countless example of vandals removing user talk page warnings, only to be blocked by an admin. A user talk page is kind of meaningless if an editor can select which comments to keep and which to delete, let alone ignore. Regardless, I'm just going to follow up on that on a related RFC. --Madchester 01:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The "policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages" bit has been in the WP:USER guideline for 249 days [19], and it has been part of the official WP:VAN policy for at least 649 days [20]. --Kralizec! (talk) 02:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Milhist Tag & Assess 2007

I don't know whether you'd be interested in helping us out but we've got 165,000 articles needing tagging. It's all explained here. You seem to have mastered AWB and you could just eat through them. Many of untagged WPSHIPS articles too. --ROGER DAVIES TALK 23:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I look forward to having you on board :))) --ROGER DAVIES TALK 06:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For your enjoyment

I thought you might appreciate a break from your assessment obsession, so I offer: one of the most amusing fanboy pages I've seen on here...and the resultant website created in response to the article cleanup by the "boat loving sinner Maralia". Sadly, I have yet to receive the promised visit from the "army of midget Oleg warriors." Maralia 19:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USRD inactivity notification

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[edit] Thanks

Didn't know that--learned something new. Dppowell 18:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Much obliged!

Thanks for your speedy assistance! --Kralizec! (talk) 12:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you as well for bringing it there. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
When I ran into the issue, I was surprised no one else had taken it to WP:SSP, especially since another editor had said as much [21] weeks ago. --Kralizec! (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Simply because obvious cases don't need to be reported there. You can contact any admin (especially the admin who blocked the sock master) w/o filing a case. Also because The problem is that the SSP is so backlogged and w/ the increasing volume of cases, admin actions takes a bit longer to be executed. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the additional info. Next time (and after reading the previous SSP cases, I have little doubt there will be a next time) I will skip straight to an admin. Thanks again! --Kralizec! (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Next time and i know it will happen again bring it to. I was the admin who dealt w/ Mariam83 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) since the begining by blocking the sock master account and all of her/his socks. No worries about that. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] weird message re D&H Canal

It was meant for a user's talk page, to which I have removed it. Daniel Case 03:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Raspberry Island (Alaska), was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On October 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Raspberry Island (Alaska), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 01:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed content

I don't believe I removed any content. I simply corrected spelling. Can you let me know what I allegedly removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.25.3 (talk) 04:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of islands of the United States by area on DYK

Updated DYK query On 29 October 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of islands of the United States by area, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--chaser - t 16:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are you kidding?

You have got to be an idiot. My edits are constructive and are correcting spelling errors. I doubt you even looked at my changes other than the comment.

Don't act all high and mighty. You are clearly wrong in this situation. I am going to continue to _FIX_ this page until you offer a reason why I should not. Douchebag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.25.3 (talk) 02:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No

You still have not given a justification for why you are reverting my changes. You keep giving a vague, boilerplate response. Use your brain and come up with an argument for why the name of Hawaii should be misspelled? The official name of the state is "Hawaii", not "Hawai'i".

Also, get off your high horse. You may think that because you spend a lot of time on wikipedia, you are somehow above other people. You are not. That is the point of wikipedia.

Think about the effects your actions cause on others. What if I were a person who has never used wikipedia, and I went in and made these changes. Some person comes along and scolds me for absolutely no reason. I am going to stop using it and stop making changes. So your tactic of giving no justification for reverting somebody's changes is quite counter-productive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.25.3 (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Category:Wikipedians by alma mater and subcats

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Wikipedians by alma mater and subcats. Since you participated in the deletion discussion for these categories, you might want to participate in the deletion review. - auburnpilot talk 17:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B-25 Mitchell citation change?

Copyedit from my talk page: "Hello. Just curious as to why you changed [22] a reference in the B-25 Mitchell article out of the existing citation template? Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 16:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)"

Hi Kralizec!, thanks for your note; as you can see in the revision, I have moved the same information into a "scratch cataloging" entry when I noted that the citation template you used had a dissimilar date convention. The only way to change the submission was to rewrite it to keep the dates consistent with the rest of the article. No real change other than rearranging stuff. FWIW Bzuk 16:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC).
I find that the citation/reference templates are so "buggy" that I have resorted in most cases to simply writing in the submission "long hand" or in "scratch cataloging." The date issue is one that an aviation project group has grappled with and by agreement, it was established that the "formal" style of dates was to be adopted in order to address problems with browser preferences as well as deciding which country's format to use. FWIW Bzuk 16:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fair Point

It’s a fair point you raise, it just seemed a little unfair to me, but that is a subjective view. I cited no references however common sense (which I regard very highly) dictates that it is probably controversial to have two wonders from one race of people (one which many people haven't heard of) while leaving out the second biggest race of people (Indians) and their wonder which I believe many more people have heard of. I thought it was general knowledge, I accept (and pity) that it isn't, but this is the way of Wikipedia, chauvinism of one type or the other always creeps in in the most subtle inconspicuous ways possible.

Regards, 81.99.235.249 18:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC).

Yes, thats the problem, I can't back up what I said and I understand and appreciate that you had to revert my edits. Nevermind. 81.99.235.249 19:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FTB

I thought that the second and third paragraphs, as well as the Recent acquisitions sections needed to be done. It shouldn't take a good contributor very long to fix these five paragraphs. ~ WikiDon 19:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC) (and I thought my talk page had a lot of items...)


I simply removed that sentence because it does not reflect the truth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.96.90 (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS Watseka (YT-387) follow-up

Hi. You participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS Watseka (YT-387) which has now closed as "keep". I think it's worth having a more general discussion as to the notability of small noncombatant auxiliaries such as harbour tugs and I have raised this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force#Follow-up. I'm inviting all the AfD participants, both pro and con, to join in with their thoughts on the topic. --A. B. (talk) 17:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment criteria

K-- thanks for your hard work on adding and updated assessments. It occurred to me that vessel type may be ambiguous. I posted a reply at Talk:Turret deck ship. Regards, Kablammo 14:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OKC revert battles

Thanks. It actually has been taken to talk on Seattle SuperSonics because there has been a slow revert war on that page and also on Oklahoma regarding the same material. The user was simply removing material that is still being disputed in discussion on Talk:Seattle SuperSonics. Feel free to join in if you'd like, thanks again. This is a sock puppet of User:Okiefromokla 21:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Islands of the United States by size

I have added a comment to the discussion page about the canal issue, and would appreciate discussing it with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vttale (talk • contribs) 15:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trip pilots

While I wouldn't mourn the loss of Trip pilots at all, which AfD are you saying this has been deleted under before? Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 15:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

CSD G4 explicitly does not apply to material deleted via speedy deletions. I'll remove the tag. --Pak21 (talk) 15:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Tricky :-) While I happily admit I know basically nothing about the subject, I think there may be an encyclopedic article on "trip pilots" waiting to be written. What's there at the moment isn't it, though, but the question I'd ask is whether deleting what's there would actually improve the encyclopedia. You could take it to AfD, although I'd possibly just be tempted to merge the little encyclopedic content there into a more general article (not that I've looked for one of those yet either). Cheers --Pak21 (talk) 17:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:Copyright N Shaw relocated.

Hello. I saw this discussion at WP:MFD. However, since templates should be nominated at Wikipedia: Templates for deletion, I've closed the discussion and open one there.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's about time .....

Khukri would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Khukri to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kralizec!. If you wish to get in touch we can discuss this process via e-mail or MSN before you thinking about accepting or declining. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so. I would be honoured to nominate you and think you would certainly be a useful addition to have the tools. Best regards.

Khukri 13:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Drat - Khukri beat me to it. I had just started reviewing your history with a view towards nominating you. I guess I'll have to be content with a co-nom.--Kubigula (talk) 17:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm still not prepared to comment a RFA, but I must say that I was wondering for some time why on earth you aren't an administrator. I wish you a successful nomination. Ozalid 10:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you ready?--Kubigula (talk) 03:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC) P.S - you may want to consider more frequent archiving of this page, particular if the RfA goes well.

[edit] Ship project

so if you agreed with me on the proposel i have one question.

do you agree that we should etheir make more awards for the ship project or should we hold an election every year for a new barnstar? --ANOMALY-117 (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks

I'm honored to receive the WP:SHIPS barnstar. It was fun creating the stars and I hope that it will serve the project well. It doesn't seem to be unanimous, but I think it has a good look and a nautical theme appropriate for the project. --Dual Freq 05:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special:Contributions/72.240.85.245 suspected vandalism

Thanks for the tute on that. I'm getting the idea... WP:UTM has a lot of templates.  :-) Regards, JohnI 20:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] you sneaky old thing

I wasn't expecting that at all! Thanks so much for thinking of me; it's good to know that I'm not just driving everyone crazy with my attempts to get people motivated :) Maralia 13:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] i need reinforcements

75.21.169.111 has done some vandilisng of a user page twice then he attacked mine canyou block him? hes a nussinceANOMALY-117 (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DuPage County, Illinois RFPP

Yup, I was just about to do that. I was just going through the various socks to see what damage had been done. All the edits are presumably the same person, going by the style and content. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

(replying to your message) Yeah, that's what I was thinking - and not from the area - with the added suggestion, that if he is a current student, he might want to think about transferring somewhere else. :O) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

So according to you, Kralizec!, anyone who complains about DuPage Women is a sexual predator!!? How can you say this?! DuPage County is the rude capital of North America! Worse than Boston, worse than Newark, far worse than New York City! I live in the hellhole, disabled, and trapped here like a caged dog in a sinking ocean liner! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.216.2 (talk) 20:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hiya

--ANOMALY-116 (talk) 05:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)reltion to anomaly-117

[edit] Your edits are misinformed

Your meddlesome editing is compromising the content of the articles that you have chosen to edit rather blindly. You very clearly know nothing about the Arab World yet you insist on reverting edits that enrich the information. I urge you to rethink your behavior and wikipedia's mission- which, believe it or not, is not to appease your personal whims but rather to inform. The enmeshing of Mediterranena North Africa with an alien, sub-saharan culture is pseudo-intellectual and based on fiction rather than fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.219.76.51 (talk) 02:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Kralizec!, thank you for reporting the vandalism being made by multiple IP addresses. Like you, I'm thinking it's the actions of a blocked user. Not only am I reverting the vandalism and blocking the vandal IPs, but I'm also protecting the articles as I clean them up. It makes for a long night, but hopefully it curtails the vandalism. —C.Fred (talk) 03:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Re the sockpuppet list: Wow. Why some people get their jollies by causing everybody else so much pain, I will never know. —C.Fred (talk) 03:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hear, hear. More socks have arrived, but I'm cutting it off with some protections. Keep up the hard work though! :) Jmlk17 09:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin

Any reason why you are not an admin? :) Jmlk17 10:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks

Hey, Kralizec! I'd just like to thank you for your many valuable contributions to Wikipedia. They are certainly appreciated! Kepp up the good work. Love, Yeanold Viskersenn (talk) 01:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Australia newsletter

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[edit] Congratulations

After unanimous support in your candidacy, I've now made you an admin. Have fun with the new tools and continuing to make this a better place. Spend some more time on the admin reading list and be conservative with the tools. It's better to try to de-escalate a situation than block for example. I'm sure you'll do well, keep up the good work, and keep writing articles. - Taxman Talk 23:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, well done. Unanimous is always good! (Wikipedia:New admin school was a big help for me.) Good luck. Woody (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Woo hoo - congrats! Feel free to ask if you need help, but I'm sure you'll do fine. Do remember that it's all too easy to get caught up in the admin stuff and forget about writing articles.--Kubigula (talk) 23:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Well crap, I was planning on looking at your edits later tonight when I got home to see if I could give you one of my "coveted" support !votes. I doubt I would have found anything amiss, so consider this a support-in-spirit. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

See, piece of cake. ×Meegs 04:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ditto, and you were worried there'd be an oppose vote ;) I'm sure we'll stay in contact (I never did tell you I read the same books and have a 6ft tropical tank in my living room did I?) All the best, never hesitate to ask for help, and no questions are daft questions. Cheers Khukri 07:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey nice mop, Kiddo! JERRY talk contribs 04:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IP attacks – thank you

Thank you for your action today against the multiple IP attacks. It seems the person may be on, perhaps, dial-up, and can change their IP address by disconnecting and reconnecting, for example. If these attacks continue, do I have to report each one each time, and can I refer to today's blockings for administrators to take into account before acting, even though different IPs may be used (but obviously linked)? Thanks again, and in advance.  SEO75 [talk] 12:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leave something for the old folks to do, please...

The Merciless Swooping Hawk Award
[23]Jerk, just because you're an admin now doesn't mean you can do stuff that I was going to do about a second before I do it. :P
Keep up the good work, man. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ANI archiving

Hi. Thanks for your comment. This probably isn't a good thing, but it hasn't actually been discussed as such I personally think it would be better archiving when and only discussiona are resolved, sometimes discussions can go 24 hours without comment, yet still get archived, even if no resolution is in sight. Should such a change be discussed on the board or not? I personally think it is better to only archive discussions when they are resolved. If you want to bring it up on the ANI board, please do, as I'm sure others may have a different opinion on the matter. Besides, I think the board will be not under as much "stress" as it was before. If you wish to bring it up somewhere else, please do. Thanks for your concern. Cheers! :) Davnel03 22:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Birthday Massacre problems and suspected sockpuppetry

Thanks for taking a look at the problematic edit history of the page; it appears that surprisingly, we managed to find a compromise. However (sorry, this is the part where I bug you) it still appears that we have one or two indefinitely blocked users using a bunch of sock puppets to make nonconstructive, arbitrary, often abuse-laden edits to articles related to gothic subculture. In addition to the subsection that I created on the notice board which you've already seen here, I also created a subsection on the Incidents board over here, given that we're looking at a case of repeated block evasion and sockpuppetry. All of the anonymous IPs making these edits fall into a specific range, in which IPs have also been identified (and some recently so) as sockpuppets of User:Breathtaker, another user notorious for making nonconstructive edits to pages relating to gothic subculture and using sockpuppets to evade his indefinite block. Sorry if I'm champing at the bit for quick action, but this is a user(s) that has been really abusive and created a lot of trouble for a lot of editors on a lot of pages. --Halloween jack (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Much appreciated!

The Barnstar that is. Always nice to know your efforts are noticed. I don't do it for the glory though, I do it for the love of the subject. And the glory. And perhaps because I'm a little odd in the head. Did I mention the glory? Anyway, thanks very much indeed! Pip pip, Benea (talk) 23:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Really, really bad haikus from a new admin

Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

Click there for my RfA spam haikus! → → →


Thanks for your support in my RfA -- I apparently passed muster with the Khabal notwithstanding my comments[24][25] in your own RfA!

As well, congratulations on your own successful RfA -- perhaps we can take turns accidentally deleting the Main Page this week.

Enjoy your haikus,
--A. B. (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Care to block a sock puppet?

Jewjewrange (talk · contribs), obvious sock puppet of Jewjewrangers (talk · contribs). Thanks! --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 15:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Warnings

How many warnings are appropriate before a block? This is just for my information as 206.196.121.13 has been warned twice. will381796 (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message; I was already in the process of writing this explainer, so I hope it answers your questions. Looking at the contributions history, here is the time-line I see:
    • IP: article vandalized at 08:45
    • Will381796: first warning issued at 08:59
    • IP: article vandalized again at 11:00
    • IP: the IP's final edit removes the auto-sig on the AfD at 11:01; no additional edits have been made after this point
    • Will381796: message saying the issue will be reported to WP:AIV left at 11:05
    • Will381796: reported to AIV at 11:07
    • Kralizec!: declined to block at 11:09
    • Will381796: a "last warning" issued at [11:12
From my perspective, it appears that the vandal only received one low-level warning at 08:59, then was reported to AIV after their next edit. In your message on my talk page [26], you said the IP had already been warned twice, however your 11:05 message to the IP was not a warning, and your 11:12 warning was issued five minutes after your AIV report and three minutes after my decline. Even if your 11:05 message to the IP had been a warning, a block would not have been issued because the IP stopped editing at 11:01.
Except in the most egregious cases, editors should receive at least a couple of user warnings regarding their edits, with at least one of those warnings being a level-3 or level-4 "last warning" before a block may be requested. If the editor continues vandalizing after a warning is issued, step up the the warning to the next level. (Please note that warnings should only be escalated if the editor continues to vandalize after their previous warning; making four vandalism edits at 08:05 does not mean that four levels of warnings can be instantly issued.)
If you give four levels of properly escalated warnings, I can guarantee that virtually every one of your block requests will be implemented. Please let me know if you have any other questions or issues. Thanks, --Kralizec! (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Will381796)
Thank you very much for the information. I will try abide by these. will381796 (talk) 16:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Glad I could help! Do not feel bad; it seems like we decline at least 20% of block requests for this or similar reasons. Feel free to drop me a line if you have any other questions, and thanks again for your vandal fighting! --Kralizec! (talk) 17:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Will381796)
  • Thanks for blocking him. Not only did he again vandalize the article and made the personal attack on the AfD discussion, but he also vandalized my talk page with a personal attack. will381796 (talk) 18:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: My sentiments exactly

Hi Kralizec, I thought the same thing. The IP did stop after the final, so a block wasn't really needed. Anyway, good luck with the tools. I think you'll do just fine with it :) Spellcast (talk) 17:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, that's a much easier template to use. Thanks for that, I'll use it in the future. Spellcast (talk) 17:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: You know what they say about great minds ...

I would argue if I could ;) Nice to meet you! Brianga (talk) 18:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IP block

Thanks for pointing out the problem :) Feel free to directly revert me in the future :) I've reblocked the ip with the right duration. I still don't understand why sometimes the script works and others doesn't :( (By the way, remember to sign ;-)) Snowolf How can I help? 18:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 76.212.140.203

um...what? This person is a sockpuppet of Dingbat2007, obviously doing an end round his block. So......why isn't he blocked? I am supposed to help that I am the first one to see it and report it?...and I am supposed to help it takes admins awhile to get over to AIV (not like they are sitting on the page all day). Sockpuppet of indef blocked user, means they get blocked too. - NeutralHomer T:C 02:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your message [27]. I declined the block of 76.212.140.203 (talk · contribs) because this individual's last edit was at 20:28, which was 74 minutes before your AIV report at 21:42. If this address had been active five or ten minutes prior, I would have no problem issuing a block. However since this IP is one of thousands from an ADSL address pool used by AT&T, applying a temporary block is kind of pointless when the banned editor is not even using the address any more. Dealing with banned editors can be very frustrating for everyone involved, and we all appreciate the efforts of folks like you who work hard to protect the project from vandalism. Please let me know if you have any other questions or issues. Thanks, --Kralizec! (talk) 03:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Neutralhomer)

[edit] Your comments are requested to establish consensus

Please see this discussion: Talk:HMS_Vanguard_(23)#Switch_from_.7B.7BWikiProjectBannerShell.7D.7D_to_.7B.7BWikiProjectBanners.7D.7D. Thanks, -MBK004 00:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] i need your help with a user..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ANOMALY-117#harassment this is the link. um a summary of the problem as far as i can tell is that jack told Ring to change his signature but ring dosn't need to nor does he want to change it. i've tried to help ring to tell jack to stop harrassing him and to quit worring about people's signutre. ..mabye i was a little.. ok mabye i was harsh but harassment is harassment i'm gona take the back seat for a little while but could you help me out i would really appricate it.ANOMALY-117 (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:WikiProject banner shell churn

Sorry, I wasn't aware a consensus was needed in such a matter. I was intending to save space, especially on the Simpsons talk page - • The Giant Puffin • 20:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 68.89.175.189

Greetings. My reason was a response to the statement Mariam made on the page, that we couldn't block, etc. I agree that the action wasn't practical as such, only symbolic, but my mind was in the same vein it gets when I see a new account annoucing its intent to be nothing but a vandal. It does seem to be a futility, and in hindsight I suppose I should have only given it 3 months! ;-) Cheers, --Bradeos Graphon (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "experimenting" AKA VANDALISM

It wasn't an experiment, it was a bold edit. I'm putting it back on unless you can make a valid point (i'd settle for almost anything less than a generic template) as to why my edit is not proper. 64.230.92.27 (talk) 23:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 213.16.181.166

Thanks for the temporary block. Is there any faster way of reverting these edits? Postmodern Beatnik (talk) 17:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the rollback! I'll continue reverting the rest. Postmodern Beatnik (talk) 17:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 116.14.112.226

If you had declined to block, you should have put a comment underneath the report that they had stopped. However, policy notwithstanding, I generally take a dim view of vandals removing warnings from their page while vandalism is ongoing, or immediately thereafter. It suggests a desire to make themselves look more well-behaved than they're actually being, in anticipation of future sprees.

Over and above the warning removals, the user seems to be generally inclined to disruptive editing and kidding around, without any real desire to contribute productively or even a misunderstanding of what that entails. Note that he has just made a threat to vandalize my user page (so I'll be semi-protecting his for the duration of the block). If this were a registered user I'd be indefinitely blocking as a VOA. Daniel Case (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry

It looks like another IP has stepped in to revert the article after you blocked the last user. If I revert again I'll be going over 3RR, but its clearly reverting the article back to a state that's clearly of inferior quality, removes information, and adds a dead image. --Strothra (talk) 22:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 15 minute block?

Umm, that seems a bit odd. Was this to prevent them from further disruption during a work break or what? Benjiboi 23:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

May I answer your question [28] with another question? If so, how long of a block do you feel 172.189.30.254 (talk · contribs) should have received? --Kralizec! (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Benjiboi)
12-24 hours? 15 minutes seems pretty meaningless and this edit seems to demonstrate user has an advanced knowledge of wikipedia including templates. If "sneaky vandals" have their own category I would nominate this one to go into it. Benjiboi 01:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Benjiboi)
Wikipedia's official policy on blocking states that blocks are used to protect the project from disruption, not to punish users. Since the IP in question vandalized zero articles are their block expired, it would appear that blocking for 15 minutes worked perfectly. --Kralizec! (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Benjiboi)
You know what's sad, Benjiboi? Had you or I made those ridiculous edits, we'd be blocked for at least a few days. Maybe we should start editing as IPs. ;-( Jeffpw (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Benjiboi)
Had either of you made those two edits and been reported to WP:AIV, I would have absolutely declined to block. While jumping straight to a {{uw-bv}} warning may be questionable-but-allowed with an anonymous editor, doing so with registered editors who have a clean edit history would fly in the face of WP:AGF. To be honest, I doubt you would have received much more than a {{uw-test1}} or {{uw-error2}} warning, so I fail to see what you hope to gain by making snarky comments about an admin who is actually on your side. --Kralizec! (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Benjiboi)
lol. I have to agree, whether we're on the side of snarky sodomites on not I did learn something about the nature of blocks. I used {{uw-bv}} because that's exactly what those little gems looked like. Regardless I appreciate your time on this and wish you the best of the best during the solstice. Benjiboi 20:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC) (reply copied from User talk:Benjiboi)

[edit] iftikhar chaudhry page

Excuse me?Would you mind discussing the problem with the article?Stop assuming ownership of wikipedia,that leads to problems... All the information i have posted,i have posted with reliable links. What part of the article "exactly" you have a problem with.The one you reverted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alihasnain (talk • contribs) 22:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Ships Barnstar

WikiProject Ships Barnstar
For your excellent and unfailingly precise work on everything from templates to assessments, I am happy to present you with your very own copy of the barnstar that, like so many other things here, exists largely due to you. Well done, sir! Maralia (talk) 16:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hibachi

how am i vandalizing this page? why is the original article so acceptable? i'm not writing anything inaccurate. i'm pointing out incorrect usage of a word, meaning-wise and grammatically. it's true that 99.9% of the people using this term this way are ones that are ignorant of the true meaning of the word. what makes the difference that the word has been used incorrectly in english for like 30 years now? it's still incorrect. i'm actually educating people.

i thought wiki wanted to be taken as a serious online encyclopedia? no standard print encyclopedia or dictionary includes this usage of this word. or is it just a place where people can post silly little high-schoolish clique and fad meanings for words? good luck being taken seriously with that philosophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.225.72.215 (talk) 08:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)