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[edit] Validating Information

"Also, as the Walled City was beginning to be torn down, a group of Japanese explorers took about a week to tour the empty walled city, making a sort of map and a cross section of the city"

Interesting bit of information with no online source to validate or confirm. Would someone mind posting a link to this reference? This statement just hangs there... Not saying to remove it, just support it.

Accidently found it http://web.archive.org/web/20020208225753/www.flex.co.jp/kowloon/story/index_e.html Now would someone mind adding the citation?

I agree with the first comment. Referring to this as "Kowloon" for the article is a bad idea... why not Walled City?

The first comment is here in the hope that a knowlegeable person will make the relevant changes in the article. olivier 13:47 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)
OK, tried my first attempt to consolidate everything. Did it traditional inverted pyramid style -- try to give big picture first and go more specific. Feel free to clean up and clarify. (Fuzheado)

[edit] Depictions in Popular Culture

I'm gonna get a screenshot of this as soon as I find the episode of where it's at, but if anyone can help me out on this - In Ghost In the Shell : SAC 2nd GiG, when Hideo Kuze talks about his revolution and a new society, there is a scene which is basically identical to this one >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KowloonWalledCityAlley2.jpg

In fact, I think that the whole refuge district concept is very similar to this. Rokasomee 08:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

got it. http://www.fileden.com/files/10493/combo1.png >>> a screenshot of the refugee district Rokasomee 10:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes...the Japanese Wikipedia article on this topic does mention that Ghost in the Shell drew inspirations from this place, maybe that's why. _dk 10:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable copyvio?

I swear i've read the text somewhere... and it's not on wikipedia. What caught my attention is the style.

... With the Triads' power diminished, a strange sort of synergy blossomed, and the Walled City began to grow almost organically, the square buildings folding up into one another as thousands of modifications were made, virtually none by architects, until hundreds of square metres were simply a kind of patchwork monolith. Labyrinthine corridors ran through the monolith, some of those being former streets (at the ground level, and often clogged up with trash), and some of those running through upper floors, practically between buildings. The only rules of construction were twofold: electricity had to be provided to avoid fire, and the buildings could be no more than about fourteen stories high (because of the nearby airport). A mere eight municipal pipes somehow provided water to the entire structure (although more could have come from wells). By the early 1980s, Kowloon Walled City had an estimated population of 35,000 - with a crime rate far below the Hong Kong average, despite the notable lack of any real law enforcement.
Over time, both the British and Chinese governments found this massive, anarchic city to be a bit too much - despite the low crime, for if the 'Black Market' ever had a physical location, this would have been it, and needless to say, the sanitary conditions were, well, a bit wanting.

Here I've highlighted some perculiar use of description and structures that are not very scientific and encyclopedic. POV? I will fix up some of the punctuation in the meantime. --Kvasir 23:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have placed a copyright violation tag. Some sections appeared to be lifted word for word from this paper.[1] See page 131. --Kvasir (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that this site copied from Wikipedia, not the other way around. This paper is dated 2005, while large parts of the article already existed in 2004. See [2]. I don't think that this is a copyvio. Andrew_pmk | Talk 04:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this settled? I'm going to remove the tag for now, it's really distracting and it doesn't seem like there's any evidence that this article is a copyvio. Putting that tag on an article without specifying what source it's copied from is really bad form.P4k (talk) 04:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shenmue 2

Is this the same city as Ryo visits in Shenmue 2, called Kowloon? If it is, maybe information on differences btw Kowloon in the game vs Kowloon in real life could be added? --Konstantin 12:23, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just read this article and the similarity occured to me. This might go under a "trivia" section. Shawnc 03:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
The city in Shenmue 2 is most definitely the Kowloon Walled City. --Golbez 03:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] neutral POV?

I think this paragraph is a bit biased: _____________________________ Evacuation and demolition

Kowloon Walled City before its demolition.

Over time, both the British and the Chinese governments found this massive, anarchic city to be a bit too much - despite the low reported crime. If the 'Black Market' ever had a physical location, this would have been it. Needless to say, the sanitary conditions were a bit wanting. _________________ Can someone change it without losing the general message?

[edit] Picture

I changed the picture to the normal non-edited version. It's clearer to see the city like that; not sure why there is a blurred one that doesn't look like as it does in the caption. If you get what I mean. Seriphyn 12:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:KowloonWalledCityplane.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:KowloonWalledCityAlley2.jpg

Image:KowloonWalledCityAlley2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 05:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)