Talk:Koteka

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[edit] stub?

Does this article really still count as a stub? You have five paragraphs on the penis gourd, I think if someone comes along and knows about it, they'll add info, but there are a lot more articles that are serious stubs. I'm not deleting it, however, since I'm not an expert on Wikipedia policy. If I'm wrong, fine, but I think y'all should consider de-stubbing it.

Did some copy editing and NPOV editing. Still needs some work and confirmation from an expert. There are also no sources cited. CopperMurdoch 21:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Good job! I'll go ahead an add an {{expert}} template to it. --Khoikhoi 01:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm no expert on this topic, but I've made a start at providing some references. Crypticfirefly 07:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "gaurd"?

I think it means "gourd". I'm editing it to reflect this. Sdr 22:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

just people vandalizing it. The CVU will probably start monitoring this page shortly. Wirewad 22:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fark.com cliche mention

As both a Fark.com reader and a Wikipedian, I'm tempted to reference the fact that the "penis gourd" is a long-running cliche on Fark, but it'd be better to wait until after the heavy traffic linking is over, I'm sure. Sdr 23:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that would be best. Fark gets farked on wiki's if they are linked and mentions of fark are put in too soon. --Hagamaba 01:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC) (Fark User name AuralArgument)
Wow, I added that tag and I can't beleive how many comments it got! :p --Khoikhoi 02:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
A very small percentage of people visit fark or care about it's cliches. The only appropriate place for mentioning fark cliches on wikipedia is on the fark wiki page. 68.71.227.128 08:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Penis gourd is not mentioned as a Fark Cliche, it should be added there first. Then maybe a link to that page from here might be justified, but that's probably all. Wirewad 08:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shorts & gourd?

I can't verify the statement in the article that at one point, men wore western-style shorts with a koteka. Can anyone else? Crypticfirefly 09:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Followup: This page http://www.nancysullivan.typepad.com/ claims at least one instance of the outfit, but I'd like to see something more reliable. Can anyone help? Crypticfirefly 09:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm no specialist on penis gourds but I *do* know a lot about urban legends and that sure sounds like one. If you have no evidence, I strongly sugest you not include it.

[edit] Phallocrypt or necklace?

(Copied from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities.)

Read about the koteka and lonkalonka on WIKIPEDIA. The description of the lonkalonka as a phallocrypt hung from male genitalia seems very peculiar, as I have seen an image of one with a twisted thong made of human hair. But to me it seems more like a necklace or ornament for the upper arm, as the thong is too short to get around the waist, and how it could be hung from the genitalia and called a phallocrypt, is beyond me. I have never seen pictures of aborigines wearing these lonka lonkas, so how do you know this is a phallocrypt? Someone who can explain how they are fixed to the body or lead me to an image so I am no more in doubt... Are there pictures anywhere of the ornaments of jade and hardstone hung from the genitalia in South America, in other words, is this a fact? Nothing surprise me about garments, but seeing is believing... The koteka, on the other hand , has got an historian/entropologist to suggest that they could have been worn by people here in Scandinavia during the bronze age due to the many rock carvings of males with axes and phallos. And why not..? Thank you. Steinar Ådland

  • I see what you refer to in the Koteka article. (It might have been better to put this comment on the discussion page there, by the way.) The information you refer to was added by an anonymous editor who apparently could himself use some editing . . . "lonkalonka" refers to the type of carved and decorated shell, not the type of item the shell is made into. I have seen a picture of one of these with a 23" "strap" attached, so I'm not ready to give the anonymous editor the lie just yet. I'm moving a copy of this discussion to the relevant talk page in the hope that your question will be better addressed there. Crypticfirefly 04:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism

The mention of choosing was plagiarized from the first source. Please, people, please bizznot

[edit] What the hell is a phallocrypt

The introduction to this article used the word "phallocrypt" in the definition of koteka. What the hell is a phallocrypt? If the article is going to use utterly obscure words, it needs to define them. I tried a few online dictionaries, neither of them had heard of the word. I replaced it with "thing" in the definition. "Thing" is not the best word to use, but it's 100 times better than an undefined "phallocrypt". --Xyzzyplugh 15:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

A phallocrypt is a general term that refers to something worn to cover the penis, but in a way that does not exactly conceal its existence. Koteka, codpieces, possibly even jock straps are phallocrypts.--Birdmessenger 16:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Then the article needs to say so. It's made worse by the fact that phallocrypt redirects here - which means that an explanation by someone who can write a good one of what a phallocrypt is - in the article, not just here on Talk - is necessary. 86.132.141.8 19:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phallocarp

Should Phallocarp be merged with this article? Power piglet 04:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'd merge it into this article and create a redirect to this one. Crypticfirefly 04:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fake or stretch?

Anyone know if this picture is a photoshop, real (with the tip of the sheath being something that looks like flesh but isn't), or real (with that being the actual tip of his penis, and this being the result of some sort of stretching like other tribes do with necks, earlobes, lips, etc)? Sai Emrys ¿? ✍ 01:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

No penis is that big. Assuming by the nature of that website, it's definitely a fake. Reywas92Talk 01:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)