User talk:Kosova2008

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This is the page of Kosova2008 (nickname: Ari), I check this page, if I write on your page please REPLY ON MINE. --VIVA KOSOVA, long live democratic Republic of Kosova.

-Ari

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[edit] Hello Ari

I must agree with you on long live democratic Republic of Kosova. :-) Sorry on any disputes with you earlier on language usage. Ijanderson977 (talk) 00:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pristina coat of arms

Can you search for an official Pristina capital city coat of arms image? Like on the article Estonia - country infobox - I would like to add Pristinas coat of arms image there but so far I am unable to find such image. Greetings to the Republic of Kosovo from the Republic of Estonia. Karabinier (talk) 11:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Koment

Kam msn por (nëse nuk ka problem) kisha preferu ti me ma kallzu emailin edhe une ta boj add , ok ? --Cradel 21:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Requesting Help

Hello Kosova2008. Erm, I need you to be a little bit more specific. Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence is quite a long talk page with many ongoing discussions. To which discussion do you require my attention? Regards, Húsönd 23:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vote

hey , kqyr nëse munesh me votu këtu (te e treta mundesisht por vota është e jotja) , jepe votën aty ku thotë : new stralpoll --Cradel 10:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I wanted to be retired, but I'm just too busy right now. ;) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pristina

Yepp, but I don't remember what we were discussing, or what I said. But, the spelling, Pristina, is the most common in Media in generell. • YllI 19:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your request

I did as you requested. If you have a need to contact me privately, you can always use the "Email this user link" or just click on the mailto on my user page. My address is mailto:marek@enteract.com I am opposed to sourcing third parties' positions to the Kosovar or Serbian goverment websites, regardless of content, on principle of using only neutral unimpeachable sources. Neutral sourcing is mandated by WP:VER. The cases of Libya, Serbia are just two examples where it should not be done, or for that matter, Macedonia's. Best, --Mareklug talk 01:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox in Kosova

Hello, maybe I was wrong about you because of my recent disappointing expericence with user Beam. Nevermind, I guess you could be helpful in this ongoing discussion if you want to have an infobox in the article like there is one in every countries article. I thank you in advance for your support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo#The_Infoboxes --Tubesship (talk) 12:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC) BTW: And maybe you could find some others to fight with us for a better representation of Kosova. :-)

[edit] Koment

Pricaj srpski brate. Ili bar engleski, ako znas.(Top Gun)

I did not insult you like you fought. Don't know where you got that idea. I don't know what made you think I would know Shqip, or whatever that language was. I just said: "Speak Serbian brother. Or at least english, if you know it." And regarding to your question. Don't know what you are talking about, the Albanians didn't get their independence. They just yeld something about being independent, and about 35 or something fascist states recognised them, while more than 150 have not. As far as I know they are still consuming the electricity of the Serbian state power distribution, they don't have their own. They are not in the U.N., and never will be. And as far as I know resolution 1244 is still in effect which states KOSOVO IS SERBIA! And if you fought I insulted you before, well, I will now. UP YOURS! Peace bro.(Top Gun)

Kosova IS the cradle of Serbia, and always will be despite your burning down of our churches. In regards to that ratio of 17:1, that was not always the case. At the very least it was 2:1 until 15 years ago when you butchers started killing us and expelled the majority of our people from Kosovo, and then you started breeding like rabits. In regards to the ooooo-powerfull ones that have recognised you. Your great saviour the U.S. can't take care of itself why do you think they will take care of you. Their economy is in recesion and they are getting their asses kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan. And what's this Kompania Elektrike e Kosoves? Some backwater electricity plant from the stone ages? You guys are the ones in denial. Don't know if Russia is so weak and crappy since their word will be the final one in the U.N. in regards to your supposed independence. And Indonesia crappy? Don't know if you should talk like that about the country with the biggest muslim population in the world. That is if you want to be accepted by the Muslims of the world, which you are evidently not. Wake up my man, the U.S. is no longer the only super power in the world. Russia is standing back up on it's feat thanks to Putin. And the U.S. is slowly going down in flames like the Roman Empire. And, you are wrong on that last bit too. I am not from Belgrade but from Kragujevac, capital of Shumadia. Now go get ready because, it may take a year, or 5 years, or even 10 years, but we are coming back and when we do you are done for. And the next time there will be no NATO to save your asses. KOSOVO IS SERBIA! (Top Gun)

Thank you for reminding me what I said, and I am realy satisfied about what I said.(Top Gun)

It's pronounced Srbija not Serbija.(Top Gun)

@Top Gun, perhaps you should syop trolling around --Cradel 16:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Koment

Tung (Hello).

I'm sorry, I totally missed your comment. ;) Did I translate it right?

Well, I believe that the only way the Balkans can achieve peace is if we close by our cultures to each other, forget about the bloody events in the past and point out the good events of cultural achievements - which are, as you know, always forgotten. And of course that we understand each other...literally. :-) I am a Balkaner, dedicated to the study of its complex problems and history

P.S. Please write in English, or at least provide translations to your writings (Wikipedia's policy). All the very best wishes! --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 20:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I did - see the link to the up.
That means that before I judge or study one of the Balkan nations - I must learn to understand it - I mean that literally if you know what I mean. One can't judge another before he fully studies all of its aspects.
I can handle Albanian to a lesser degree, as you can see. But I don't want to be bragging, it's actually very little.
Tung! --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 21:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Understanding the Balkan, Africa or anything, requires more than picking up a book. I tell you good luck on your journey and thank you for greeting me in Shqip it makes me feel honored. Shihemi (See ya) Kosova2008 (talk) 03:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Constitution Final Copy

Here is a final copy of the constitution Kosovo's Constitution FINAL COPY. This too spells the city as Pristina. Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Shows how much you know about Republic of Kosova. That is NOT the final, that's a draft. Does anyone read anymore??? Kosova2008 (talk) 20:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Serbia's reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence

What do you have in mind, regarding a 2-D timeline? Why don't you make the improvements, and then we'll see how the two versions compare. --Mareklug talk 21:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It's all explained in Help:Images and its subarticles (How to Upload Images). Except that you should upload them on Commons, so they are used by all Wikimedia projects, including other language versions of Wikipedia. Go ahead, practice. Make sure the license you give the graphic is true and that you are not violating somebody's copyright. That's all. And look at the code for the map on the article page -- this form of reference is for images loaded both on Commons and on Wikipedia locally. --Mareklug talk 21:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Jo,jo . Nuk jam tuj e perkrah propaganden e shkijeve , qka po thu : Qeveria e Kosovës po ban propagande pro-serbe tuj e qit emrin e kryeqytetit ne "anglisht" a ? Sma merr menja, po nejse edhe ashtu nuk ke me mujt me pas perkrahje te mjaftueshme per "Prishtina" (edhe nese unë e perkrahi) kështu që ma mirë provo me mrri konsensus per "pristina", sepse në fund të fundit ma mire se emri qi osht momentalish : Priština --Cradel 22:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of Kosovo

Are you up for it? If you are interested I think we should create one. What do you think? Jawohl (talk) 07:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

No please, I worked hard to get rid of the article named RoK as the article named Kosova should be the one for the Republic like in every other Wikipedia. Kosova is now RoK and it will be forever. Kosova will never ever be again anything else than the Republic of Kosova. It is a newborn state and we should support it, please. Therefore RoK = Kosova. Thank you for your support. --Tubesship (talk) 21:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
You are helping the Serbian Propaganda. All redirects lead to "kosovo" which is an article about a region. The region claims it is disputed between Rep. of Kosova and Serbia. A dispute is an argument between two sides. In the article only the Serbian side is presented by using exclusively Serbian names, Serbian map which shows Kosova as part of Serbia, and Serbian history, this is POV and unacceptable. Kosova2008 (talk) 21:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
So we should really change this fact that the article is pro serbian POV, I agree with that. But if you say, "Kosova" should be about the region, then you surrender to this pro serbian POV. Kosova should not be about the region but about the Republic of Kosova like in every other Wikipedia all around the world, with the exeption of the serbian Wikipedia, of course. But even they will accept the reality, sooner or later. But we should not wait for them. Thank you for your understanding. --Tubesship (talk) 23:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think sooner or later the serbs have to face the fact that they were betrayed by their own leaders, that it was a century long lie to call Kosova a serbian region but that the truth is, the people in Kosova are mostly Albanians and that it is no more under serbian rule but it is a free, independent Republic. Therefore the article about Kosova should be about the Republic of Kosova. No disambiguation needed, no splitting into another article, no moving, no renaming and so on. We should look how other Wikipedias handle this case. I am a native German speaker and the German Wikipedia has like every other Wikipedias the article of Kosova dedicated to the Republic of Kosova. Please do not leave this way. Kosova needs every recognition it can get, even here in Wikipedia. Now is a crucial time for RoK. Thank you. And do not give up. --Tubesship (talk) 00:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Po, pakes ship foli. :-) You see, I was born in Turkey and grew up in Germany. Nevertheless my anchestors are Albanians from Macedonia, Tetova. And the Albanian there is a little bit different. We for example say "Diten e mir" instead of "Mir dita". But the language I speak the best is German. And whats about you? --Tubesship (talk) 06:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Fastest Proof that B92 is full of SH*t

Kosova2008, stating 103 deputies instead of 107 doesn't seem like a big deal. Could've been an honest mistake. It's easier to assume good faith than overreacting/nitpicking over a rather unimportant detail. Regards, Húsönd 18:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prishtina/Pristina RfC

I don't deny that I made a mistake, but it's not what you think: I should never have added the straw poll. It's interesting how every one of the invovled parties made a beeline straight for it, quite despite the clear notice that it is not a vote. I am going to move the discussion to a subpage of WP:MOSKOS, and rename some of the sections to remove the suggestion of a straw poll. Other than that, I think the discussion is rather more constructive than was the rambling claim and counter-claim on the talk page. Happy‑melon 20:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The discussion on the talk page extended to over 40 screens with absolutely no move towards consensus whatsoever, whereas in amongst the 9 screens of discussion at the RfC, we have already had summarised most of the relevant arguments. I fully agree with you that the 'ideal' RfC is exactly the forum you anticipated, but this is a wiki: the only people with the power to compell editors to follow an approved process is the ArbCom. As an admin, I have absolutely no power whatsoever to force anyone to follow rules that I dictate, nor would I want to restrict the argument, as that merely inflames tempers further. I will enforce civility, with warnings and blocks if necessary, but I cannot enforce a style of discussion when the participants have chose the "messy all-out brawl" approach to dispute resolution (:D). That said, I would strongly recomend you have your say and voice an opinion, even if you do not then participate in any further discussion. Remember, you're not here to score points by being the last person to speak - there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying what you've got to say and then leaving it. As for Dab, I don't know any of his history with this topic (clearly it is not one that sits easily with you) but I have faith that he will act constructively, either to participate in the discussion, or to moderate it for civility. Happy‑melon 20:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo

I restored the thread for future reference, so that other readers will be able to take notice of the discussion if and when they would like to do so. The fact that the discussion may not have gone the way you liked is no ground for blanking. And as far as the pov in the English language is concerned: that is irrelevant and beyond our scope. Being an English language Wikipedia, we are bound by the rules and practices of the English language. Where those rules and practices come from is of no concern to us. The fact is that Kosovo is far more common than Kosova. Why that is the case doesn't matter. AecisBrievenbus 08:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of Kosova

I strongly recommend that you raise this issue this issue on Talk:Kosovo. We don't distinguish between the geography of a country and the political institutions in the country. Russia, for instance, talks both about the territory within the borders, and the political institutions governing that territory. The closest thing to what you seem to have in mind, are our Government of X articles. See for instance Government of Germany and Government of the Netherlands. AecisBrievenbus 21:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

That issue involves the content of the article, and should be discussed on the talk page of the article. If you feel that information is missing from the article, you can be bold and add it to the article. But I would recommend that you raise it on the article's talk page, since this involves a very sensitive subject. AecisBrievenbus 21:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
You can see the various user access levels at Wikipedia:User access levels. But please be reminded that the levels you want to take this up with have no say on the content of articles. When there is a content dispute, you should take it up on the article's talk page and try to find a consensus with the editors there. AecisBrievenbus 10:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] April 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Hashim Thaçi. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Accusing other edits of lies and propaganda is not called for. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 16:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw your response on the Hashim Thaci talk page. If you wish to contribute editing here, I would remind you to take a look at policies on personal attacks. Accusing other edits of pushing Serb propaganda is not constructive. If you continue your incivility, you may find yourself blocked. We need editors who can contribute from a Kosovar point of view, so please don't throw that away. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 03:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Um. Yeah, just to add to what Chris was saying... Frankly, I have zero interest in the existence or non-existence of Kosovo: to me (and, btw, the vast majority of the world) it's just a noisy postage stamp-sized country someplace far, far away. I'm as completely impartial as to the entire Serb/Kosovar imbroglio as anyone can be. (That's not the same thing as being ignorant: I wrote most of the Thaçi article, and, if you bother to look at the talk page, have been entirely aware of and aggressive about reverting Serbian nationalist editing.) From that perspective, I can tell you that your aggressive tone and personal attacks make it nearly impossible to identify anything useful you might have to contribute to a discussion. If you actually want to contribute something here, it is in your interest to figure out how to present your viewpoint in a manner others can listen to and be persuaded by. Good luck. Ossicle (talk) 04:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The Hashim Thaçi had outregeous Serb propaganda - "born ... in Srbica, Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija, Socialist Republic of Serbia, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia)".

You normally say the name of the town/city and state/country eg London, England or Altanta, Gerogia.

I have never heard anyone say "City of London, London, Kingdom of England, United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" nor have I ever heard anyone say "City of Atlanta, State of Georgia, United States of America"

The latter sound stupid, as does "Srbica, Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija, Socialist Republic of Serbia, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia"

Remember, Serbia was once not an independent nation, it was a province of the Ottoman Empire that declared independence. 2007apm (talk) 18:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Please stop advocating POV-Fork

Please read Wikipedia:Content forking. There is no need for disambiguation for Kosova. Kosova is RoK, can you agree? If not, please say it but do not play trojan horse. --Tubesship (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] University of Prishtina

Please be aware of the discussion going on about the University of Prishtina. It is separate from University of Priština; take a look at the talkpage Talk:University of Priština!--Getoar (talk) 20:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] source

that kosovocompromise.com can be used if a pro-kosovo source is used with it. [25][26]. So there will be two sources next to each other. One pro Serbian and the other Pro Kosovo. So that will neutralise it by using two sources of opposite extremes. You understand me? Ijanderson977 (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diplomatic missions of Kosovo

Hello Kosova2008. The article you asked me to change is only semi-protected. You can make the edit yourself. EdJohnston (talk) 21:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Urgent

Hello Kosova2008 and thank you for contacting me. Sorry, but I cannot block/ban just like that. I have left a strict warning against personal attacks on that user's talk page. Should he continue in that manner, then yes a block or even a ban would be in order. Please promptly report any further personal attacks coming from this user, whether they are towards you or someone else. Meanwhile, you may also wipe his personal attacks from the talk page... coz it's the right thing to do. Regards, Húsönd 22:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] walk out

Yeh i saw that earlier. They embarrass themselves by walking out all the time. So pathetic. I don't see much point in an edit request though. Certain users will just accuse us of making the article POV Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ummm i cant see anyone editing the article without consensus on the talk page. Have a look at the history Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo

What I meant is because there was no consesus reached on changing "unanimous" to "unoppossed" this gave no AUTHORITY to anyone to A)delete and B)re-write the entry and also add this "Kosovan" flavor. Kosova2008 (talk) 05:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes I understand that. What I was asking for was an article diff so we can see the change in context. Regards - Revolving Bugbear 16:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: thanks

You're welcome, Ari. I'm on the lookout for instilling exactness in and removing bogus interpretations or downright falsifications from Wikipedia content wherever, without prejudice as to the topic.

Please explain what you meant by lobbying -- lobbying whom, on behalf of exactly what? Not lobbying on Wikipedia? --Mareklug talk 05:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Actualy, it was User:Canadian Bobby who has written extensively embassies, and I think Liechtenstein answered him and he was the first to know that they recognized. As for me, I have written a request on behalf of Wikipedians for more information and description of the EP proceedings in the matter of Kosovo being discussed on Wikipedia. So far I only got a robotic confirmation that the matter will be answered in depth. You can see the answer where they quote my letter (they made me write a short synopsis and then the proper letter itself and they echoed both. The link: [1]. Hope this helps. Just writing simple English, politely, should be all you need to do. You can get contacts for countries from the US State Department's website, I think. --Mareklug talk 05:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chatter

What Noah said that the Serbs are taught in school that prior to 1950 that Serbs attained a majority in Kosova is most likely the product of SANU.

No, it isn't a product of SANU. Because it is a blatantly outrageous & false claim, that's why my comment might've seemed arrogant or ignorant (when rather, Noah's are).

And from your message to me I have come to see that you actually believe him...? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 10:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait a second. You have me more buzzled right now that the only moment I got drunk in my entire life...let's get over the top, from the beginning: Who believes that? What SANU explanation? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 19:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, that template is wrong and doesn't correlate my status.
And I am (at least some sort of) an expert for the history of the Balkans. But I'd really like you to clarify me the misunderstanding to the up still. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 09:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shqip

Ej pse spo vjen me na nimu pak te wikipedia shqip, po na vyjn do përdorues që i njohin rregullat edhe janë të rregullt ? -- CD 17:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Falemniderit shume per perkrahjen ne debatin e shkurt qe kisha me ate pseudo liberalin. Desha ti pergjigjem me gjate por nuk ia vlen te merresh me te. Mundohet ti mjegulloi faktet qe jane dokumentuar me qindra here. Kalofsh mire dhe shpresoj se do te mundemi te bashkpunojme per ndonje artikull ketu tek Wikipedia. Ka shume nevoje per Wikipedian shqiptar por per fat te keq jemi shume pak kur marrim parasysh se se shqiptar ka ne rruzullin toksor. Kur mendoj per kete ndjehem shume keq por skemi c'far te bejme. --Noah30 (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Amateurish translation from Albanian to English: "Hey why don't you come to help a little at the Albanian wikipedia? There are some users needed that know the rules and are good ?

Thank you very much for the support that I had in the debate with that pseudo liberal. I wanted to give him a longer answer but it's not worth spending your time with him. He tries to distort the facts that are documented hundreds of times. Take care and I hope that we will be able to work together for an article here in Wikipedia. There is a lot of need for the Albanian Wikipedia but unfortunately we are very few if we take into consideration how many Albanians are on the net. When I think about this i feel very bad but we can't do anything."

I suppose I am that "pseudo liberal"...? Please see Wikipedia's guidelines and use English if you know it. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I think you are wrong but it's a free world and you can suppose and believe in what ever you want. --Noah30 (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Then who did you refer to? My Albanian might be a bit over-rusty, but I am convinced the translation to the up is pretty much correct.
P.S. Now will you please, write in English, or at least supplement a translation below every post...or shall you torture me until I do that myself every single time? ;)
Tung. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Great translation, if you two (pax & noah) want to continue this please do it elsewhere don't clutter my talk-page. Kosova2008 (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason. I know that he was referring to me (no point in hiding) and he knows that I hardly ever get offended. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map

It is impossible to discuss with some of the people who are editing the Kosovo article (no I am not talking about you Pax). You have rightfully many times proposed to add Albanian names in the map but I believe intentionally some of the editors are deviating your discussions in order to keep the status quo. Now I added a tag to the infobox where I underline that the neutrality of the place names is disputed. Take a look and tell me what do you think. This is off course only a temporary solution, because neutral editors will within weeks make the necessery edits in the map to make it neutral. I hope you are enjoying the summer... This time, Pax, who is monitoring your and my talk page will not have to translate anything. --Noah30 (talk) 21:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Nuk ka nevoj me fol Anglisht, shume me pelqen me fol gjuhen Shqiptare se sa Anglisht apo ndonje gjuhe tjeter. Fishta ka thon "ai njeri qi e flet gjuhen jo Shqipe edhe pse ska nevoj...ju thaft goja". Nqofse ky shoku jon nuk kupton dicka ne te na vet per ndihme prekthimi edhe une apo ti do ti ndihmojim, keshtu qi edhe ky e meson ma shume gjuhen Shqipe edhe kjo do ti ndihmone me shume ne te ardhmen kur te punon ai ne artikujt Shqip ose per Shqiptart. Rroft Kosova Republik. Kosova2008 (talk) 22:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)