Talk:Kossar's Bialys

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Contents 1 Unnecessary 2 Peacock 3 Conflict of Interest 4 Pletzels etc.

[edit] Unnecessary

"...a relatively small anti-Israel Haredi organization, consisting only of Satmar and other like-minded Hasidic Jews."

Is this information necessary for the article or to better understand the nature of Kossar's Bialys? It seems to be irrelevant and perhaps even inflammatory. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peacock

Terms such as "New York City landmark establishment" should be avoided. Please see WP:PEACOCK.--Agha Nader 19:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Similar OR and Peacock: "Kossar's Bialys wins rave reviews from just about every food and market rating service..."--Agha Nader 15:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict of Interest

It is a breach of WP:COI for the owner of the bakery, Juda Engelmayer, to edit this article. User Judae1 claims to be Juda Engelmayer and his editting has made the article read like an advertisement (i.e. Peacock terms).--Agha Nader 19:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

If you think this article reads like an advertising flyer, look at Yonah Shimmel's Knish Bakery. Not trying to pick on LES establishments but that one just happens to stand out. Both are really good eateries. Seriously.--Mantanmoreland 23:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Both articles are much better. I think this one could be expanded somewhat.--Mantanmoreland 04:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I have no relationship to this bakery or its owner and I have gone over the article: as it is now worded it is well referenced and I see no POV problem. The fact that the owner edited it at one point should not mean that forever after it has to have a COI tag. I assume the editor understands that he should not continue to edit it other than to correct errors, as is custom. Let's not deface the article for a past misunderstanding of wikipedia culture, when the material is in fact totally acceptable. Kossar's is a New York institution, and the article belongs in the encyclopedia, without a COI tag. Tvoz |talk 22:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. A COI tag at this point would be punitive.--Mantanmoreland 23:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pletzels etc.

At one point the article contained references to exotic products sold at the store such as "pletzels." That has been removed and I think should go back in, along with a description of what they are. I went on the web and found nothing, not even on the site for Kossar's. Perhaps the owner could come to Talk and give us a description of the pletzels etc. so we can put it in the article. I assume that is some kind of pretzel. Good with beer, maybe?--Mantanmoreland 23:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

A pletzel is a sort of bialy - but flatter, crisper and not as airy. I'd guess it isn't allowed to rise in the way a bialy does. It's really nothing like a pretzel, despite its name. We used to call it "onion board" in the Bronx in the 50s. Tvoz |talk 23:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

A Pletzel is an onion board. If someone else wants to put it in, feel free. This editor is relentless on me.

"has been handcrafting its bialys, bulkas (Similar to a hero bread), pletzels (onion board, flatbread smothered in onion and poppyseeds), and sesame sticks since 1936."

Juda S. Engelmayer 00:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)