Talk:Korphai

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Contents 1 Notable? 2 Musical contest 3 Orphan 4 Multiple issues template removed

[edit] Notable?

I don't see how anyone can say that this article meets WP:N/WP:MUSIC. --Ronz (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Copying my comments from the AfD: While editors are asserting that this article meets WP:MUSIC, they haven't explained how in enough detail that can be confirmed. I've gone through all the current online references, comparing them to WP:MUSIC, and I don't see any criteria that has been met. Again, I'm unable to verify what is being claimed in the AfD. I'm asking for the editors making the claims to give more information to help us all verify the claims. The burden of evidence is on those making the claims. --Ronz (talk) 17:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree. (I initiated the AfD after the article was unsourced for over a year). There are still no reliable sources. I wish there were, we need more articles about non-Western culture. The Bangkok Post article might be notable, if we knew what it says. Corvus cornix_talk 18:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is the drawback of the Post's subscriber-only archiving. However, copy of the article is posted here, so you can at least know what it says. Also, I disagree that the references provided here are unreliable - they establish that this ensemble exists, is known, notable, gives regular performances and has issued recordings. — WiseKwai 19:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

But reliable sources are those which have a history of peer review and a reputation for accurate reporting. WiseKwai, can you translate what the copy of the Post article says? Corvus cornix_talk 21:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

the text in question in is English. Just search the "korphai" word `'Míkka>t 21:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Great. It says they're "famed", but the only thing that that source could be used for to write anything for the article is that they performed at a Thai-Khmer cultural exchange program. Corvus cornix_talk 22:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Can someone simply point out exactly what criteria from WP:MUSIC they think has been met, and exactly which references support this? --Ronz (talk) 22:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

First, I thank everyone for bringing this article to my attention. Keeping in mind that the music notability criteria seem to be skewed towards the likes of Britney Spears, and that we're talking about a Thai classical music ensemble here, I believe that Korbphai at least satisfies criteria 1, 4, 5 and 7.

• Criterion 1: Satisfied by reference 8 "Coming together through music".
• Criterion 4: Okay, this one's weak, in that they don't refer to tours like Britney Spears might do, but they do reference that the ensemble has been invited to perform in other countries, at events I believe to be notable (references 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8).
• Criterion 5: Satisfied by references 9 and 10.
• Criterion 7: The group's fame is referred to in an article by Thailand's biggest English-language daily newspaper (reference 8).— WiseKwai 06:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Some additional info:

• Criterion 10: Performed music in the film The Overture, a notable. See the article The Overture for the partial list of awards won.
• Criterion 8: Not exactly music awards but The Overture won many Thai awards for its music. Korphai also appears in the credit as award recipent (Sorry, award pages below are in Thai):
  • STAR ENTERTAINMENT AWARDS 2004 [1] - Award by Entertainment Reporter Association (สมาคมนักข่าวบันเทิง [2])
  • Award by Bangkok Critics Assembly (ชมรมวิจารณ์บันเทิง) [3] --Lerdsuwa (talk) 18:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Musical contest

An older version said (text removed by user:Mukadderat):

"The group became well known in 1983 when it won a prestigious national music contest."

A reference would be useful and important. `'Míkka>t 21:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphan

The orphan tag was removed with the comment, "no longer orphan." I count three links incoming links from articles. Seems like the article could benefit from the orphan tag still. --Ronz (talk) 23:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Please take a look into Category:Thai music. The whole topic is one huge poor orphan, and no amount of tags can help it. If you look in the edit history of Wikipedia:Thailand-related topics notice board, you will see only two really active wikipedians. <Sigh> `'Míkka>t 23:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple issues template removed

I've removed the multiple issues template since:

1. the RfD closed with a decision that the ensemble was notable and this article should be kept and
2. multiple sources have now been added since the template was placed. Alice^✉ 07:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)