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Hi ashish I dont know what you marathi non dravidian people are, you are free to write in this article but why have you deleted much of the article and put your caste background here, please put back By Prof. A.V. Narasimha Murthy aditions ,Please dont delete, I suggest you write another article for your community, You are different community from our Black skinned(telugu) Dravidian people. Marathi manus pls write separatly. Try to find out how Vasavamma is fair and beautiful with northern feautures , I am unable to answer that to a RAJU thats worrisome for us , Pls try to find it out ,I am trying my best for our black community here ,with a lot of bramhinical opposition.

[edit] Vasavamma - vishnuvardhana Rajus Nemesis

  1. Where are Yenkat Setty's comments are they deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.210.48.75 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
  2. HI APHistory, why do you put words in another’s mouth, edit my discussion to suit your fictitious Raju community claim to Kshatriya status as well call Vasavi as fiction and story and the same time delete discussions. You are no doubt a coward and a VANDAL. Stop editing, deleting others discussion seeing that only your absurd and fake views remain in the site constitute vandalism, hatred ,debauchery,cowardise. Please mend ur ways. I am proud of my Black Ancestry, and Dravidian Superiority, I am aghast with you also being a black skinned Dravidian trying to shy from our great black Dravidian race. Simply ape northern Kshatriyas and bring their lousy caste system of down south among we Dravidian people instead of having pride. Of course it’s too much to ask from you as given in our great Dravidian Telugu VASAVAMMA puranams:
    1. Trying to lust on our Vasavamma as have your Raju's not Kshatriyas (as Kshatriyas are white Aryan losers) trying to molest our women.
    2. Trying to falsely mislead that somebody that one Person from north India or Aryan came down south and created your community of lakhs, Dude write 'nannammma Kathalu' instead in Wikipedia.
    3. Stop using Gotrams of Aryan Kshatriya which you are not linked to in any way, if at all you are related and claim descent is only of one northerner thats "SHIKANDI"
    4. In our VASAVAMMA puranamulu it is clearly given that our goddess, or just a person as per you, was the most beautiful fair skinned and gracious. I am sure you have no knowledge of our puranamulu or your own Dravidian history, so Lifeless. Please read our puranams and Dravidian history not Aryan puranams that are worthless. Stop VANDALISING PAGES VASAVI/KOMATI, of course some of our Komati traitors will aid you, But in the end TRUTH WILL WIN GOD BLESS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenkata setty (talk • contribs) 11:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

MY Responce 2 PLs note:I dont have to use diffrnt user names I am proud of my name as Yenkat SETTY and secondly dont blame me for vandals without even trying 2 know the truth If I were a vandal I would not be on this page and wasting my time correcting you my Black dravidian people lf u read our sacred VASAVVAMMA puranamulu U will find that VASAVI blesses the BLack Race.NALUPU VASAVAMMA MECCHU TELUPU KOOTHI KODA MECHHADU RA.(For you rajus or aryan posers just bcoz some of you married some white women sometime hasnt changed you into white I am translating the telugu verse , qstion urself Why we have this among ourselves )Black is of regards to mother VASAVAMMA ,even an aPE doesnt like white.All of the RAJU community is Black WITH OUR PROUD BROAD nOSES just bcoz u have some exceptions U cant separate urself from us Proud Black Dravidians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenkata setty (talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Response

  • Yenkat Shetty, you seem to have a poor grasp of basic english, that is why you probably fly off the handle so easily. And may I ask if you are bipolar or just plain retarded?
  1. First of all our folklore, and I freely admit to it being a folklore and not the very basis of our existence as a people, stated that a group of people came to Andhra, with one person leading us, not one person coming down and all of us magically springing up from him.
  2. Secondly, don’t talk to us about our history and Gotras and Aryan-Dravidian issues when your own community claims the same thing. Take care of your own house before you preach to others.
  3. You say you are very proud of your pure blooded Dravidian ancestry but then describe how Vasavi was a light haired, light eyed pure blooded Aryan beauty who was lusted by the Ugly Dravidian kings (the ugly kings naturally being us Rajus). How can you be a proud pure blooded aborginal, black, big liped, ugly fellow Dravidian go out of your way to diminise your own brothers, then describe how the loser Aryan woman, is the very essences of beauty and womanhood in such a fawning manner? How can you, a professed proud pure black, aboriginal, ugly Dravidian worship a Pure Aryan woman like that? How is a logical person supposed to reconcile these divergent statements?
  4. Also you, and only you, keep insisting on including the Vizianagaram kings as people who harassed the Komati community, there is no historical evidence cited to this claim, because it’s not true. The last Chalukyas king to be named Vishnuvardhana was alive in the 9th century. You state the puranams of Komati’s were written in the 10th century. Raja Rajendra was alive in the 11th century, the Vijayanagar kings started their reign in the 15th century in Vizianagram, not Penukonda.
  5. I forgot to mention. You say that we never ruled anything, that we were peons to Kammas and Reddys. Then how could we be Emperors like the Chalukya Vishnuvardhana? How can peons harrase powerful people like yourself? Shouldn't you be taking your gripe up with Reddy's and Kammas? Make up your mind. You expose your fanatical stupidity with every statement.--Aphistory1 (talk) 04:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. It just sounds like you have self-esteem issues and have a personal gripe with some Raju in you life and find wikipedia a useful way of recreating history to make yourself feel better. I will not change a word in your Arya Vaishya article, go ahead and describe how we are monkeys, apes, mongoliods, blacks, donkeys etc..lusting after the one good looking woman that was found in your community...whatever tickles your fancy. They funny thing is anyone who is from the Telugu community is fully aware of which caste looks most like what you are describing, LOL.
  7. By the way, the story does a good job of showing why you do what you do and why you revere Sri Vasavi so much but in order to understand what your community is, does or has accomplished, you need to do more than just say that you are a trading caste that uses the title Shetty, tell your folktale, than list all the places where you can find a Vasavi temple. Why do you think that “No one who is not a Komati understands the relevance of this article” was posted? Surely this community has participated and contributed much more than this to Telugu society. Why don’t you write anything about the trading guilds that formed, or what the current state of the community is, it’s population, prominent people, it’s involvement in politics, education, marriage customs? Something more than the Vasavi story and temples.--Aphistory1 (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] All members

Please do not use curse words. Please do not vandalize.—Preceding signed comment added by KavyaSrinivasanV1984 IITK (talk)

[edit] To Yenkat Setty, IPs 122, 210.210.48.75

  1. Yenkat Shetty and 122.171.19.37 are trying to start caste feelings that did not exist. They post warnings on the Komati pages warning of Rajus vandalizing their pages and do the same on Raju pages warning of Komatis vandalizing. The truth is no one was vandalizing each other’s pages, it was only these users, and who is probably the same people hiding like a coward. Also they are the ones to bring in all this racist issues that were not a part of either article. Yenkat Shetty wants us to have some Dravidian superiority feeling while at the same time he is the one who put in the statement about Vasavi being a fair, light eyed, light haired beauty. The guy is a hypocrite with some insecurity issues. Ignore the sob.--Aphistory1 (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC
  2. Bhayya, what turned you this way? You are very worried about dividing the integrity of India. We Indians would never learn, hence we are ruled by foreigners and never did we ever rule a foreign country.signed comment added by KavyaSrinivasanV1984 IITK (talk)
  3. those who are worried more about some other's caste than their own are destined to born in it.

You are wise and educated. You don't need anyone else’s advice. Thank you,

  1. you should realise as a grownup that you are the one using the words Aryan and Dravidian in the articles.

When the Komati article was first started it never had all the racist words that you laid foundation to. No one is claiming any denomination. And you should also learn that "your" Aryan Dravidian theory has been abandoned long back. The problem with you is that you are a big racist. The ego problem is with you. By the way we never claimed that we are big and Aryans. I assume that as a grown up you should have the least common sense that all Indians are mixed and about you northern white concept, India has been occupied by forces and people have been raped. The people that claim Aryan descent in India are mostly the rape victims. I am sure that people of your sort never could be changed but who knows if you don't believe God and just believe in all these crap racist theories, then just let it be so. FATE has been laying hand on one and another someday. May be it is your day now; it could be some other's some other time. Thanks for your contributions from your point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toubrojawiki (talk • contribs) 08:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  1. THINGS TO NOTE:
  • -- THERE IS NOTHING LIKE SOUTH INDIAN OR NORTH INDIAN IN RESPECT TO THE CASTE SYSTEM. If anyone wants to write so, then do it for all castes in Wikipedia if you have such a big interest. Please do not say South Indian Caste System and North Indian Caste System because we don't say South Indian Hindu Religion and North Indian Hindu Religion. THERE IS ONLY ONE HINDU BELIEF.
  • -- ABOUT REGISTERING A CASTE: DURING THE 1900'S THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT (NOT JUST MADRAS) PASSED A LAW WHICH REQUIRED ALL INDIAN CASTES TO REGISTER THEIR COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, IT IS NOT JUST ARYA VYSAS, KALINGA VYSYAS OR ANY OTHER COMMUNITY OF THE KOMATI DENOMINATION WHO HAD REGISTERED THEIR COMMUNITY WITH THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT. THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL INDIAN CASTES IN INDIA. THEY HAVE ALL REGISTERED ACCORDINGLY WITH DIFFERENT NAMES. One could even say so about all castes in Wikipedia if they have such a big interest.
  • -- PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT "NOT" ALL KOMATIS ARE ARYA VYSYAS, ONLY THE 102 GOTRITES ARE ARYA VYSYAS AND THEY BELIEVE IN VEDAS AND KANYAKA AND THEIR GURU IS BHASKARACHARYA. BHASKARACHARYA WAS A BRAHMIN AND NOT A VYSYA. Please read the authentic literature (Vaishya Dharma Prasikhaa (1890)) and it is clearly written that he was a Brahmin. THE OTHER GROUPS OF KOMATIS ARE TRIVARNIKA KOMATIS, KALINGA KOMATIS ETC IN ANDHRA PRADESH. It is not for other KOMATIS.
  • -- IN LATER TIMES (CONTEMPORARILY), ARYA VYSYAS ARE CONFUSED FOR THE WHOLE OF KOMATIS. BUT ONLY THE 102 GOTRITES ARE ARYA VYSYAS.
  • -- THE KOMATI LITERATURE THAT IS AVAILABLE IS EITHER CORRUPTED OR IS MISTAKEN TO REPRESENT THE WHOLE OF ARYA VYSYAS. BUT KOMATIS REPRESENT KALINGA VYSYAS, ARYA VYSYAS ETC.
  • -- IT IS NOT KANNIKA. IT IS KANYAKA. KANYAKA IS A SANSKRIT WORD. KANNIKA IS A CORRUPTED VERSION THAT IS IN USAGE MOSTLY IN TAMIL NADU.
  • -- PLEASE KNOW THAT CHETTIARS OF TAMIL NADU ARE NOT KOMATIS. THEY ARE JUST CHETTIARS. THERE ARE TELUGU KOMATIS IN TAMIL NADU. THEY COULD BE OF ANY KOMATI COMMUNITY and not just Arya Vysya etc. Many Smartha, Niyogi and Vaidiki Telugu Brahmins who settled in Tamil Nadu have Iyer as their last name though Iyer is a Tamil Title. Same way, many Sri Vaishnavas who settled in Tamil Nadu have Iyengar as their title. TELUGU KOMATIS of TAMIL NADU COULD HAVE CHETTY TITLE. BUT MAJORITY OF THE CHETTIES ARE CHETTIARS. NOT ALL CHETTIARS ARE KOMATIS, BUT SOME KOMATIS MAY HAVE CHETTY TITLE.
  • -- ANDHRA VYSYAS USE GUPTA, SRESHTI AND SETTI TITLES. GUPTA IS A VYSYA TITLE. IN VEDAS IT IS CLEARLY MENTIONED THAT SHARMA IS FOR BRAHMIN, VERMA IS FOR KSHATRIYA AND GUPTA IS FOR VYSYAS. IN ANDHRA PRADESH ARYA VYSYAS, KALINGA VYSYAS AND OTHER VYSYAS USE GUPTA TITLE AS WELL AS SETTI TITLE. SETTI TITLE IS USED BY PEOPLE OF KAPU CASTE (NOT A VYSYA CASTE) AS WELL.
  • -- SHETTIES OF KARNATAKA ARE BUNTS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH THE KOMATI SETTIES OF ANDHRA PRADESH. BUT SINCE NOT VERY LONG, VERY FEW PEOPLE IN ANDHRA ARE SPELLING SETTI AS SHETTY. BUT THE KANNADA SHETTIES WITHOUT KOMATI GOTRAS ARE BUNTS.
  • -- PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ARYA VYSYAS AND OTHER KOMATIS IN MAHARASTRA AS WELL. THEY ARE NOT A DIFFERENT CASTE. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITE : http://www.vksm.com/
  • -- PLEASE AVOID USING THE WORDS DRAVIDIAN AND ARYAN. ARYAN INVASION THEORY IS FLAWED AND ABANDONED SINCE LONG. IF ANYONE IS SO MUCH INTERESTED ABOUT IT, THEN PLEASE VISIT THE WIKIPEDIA PAGES OF ALL THE INDIAN CASTES WHO CLAIM ARYAN ORIGIN.
  • -- Vaishya Dharma Prasikhaa (1890) is a book for the ARYA VYSYAS only. OTHER BOOKS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN HEED. PEOPLE OF ONE CASTE HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO DENEGRATE THE OTHER'S CASTE. THERE IS A BIG AMOUNT OF LITERATURE WRITTEN TO DENEGRATE SEVERAL CASTES. IN RESPECT TO ARYA VYSYAS ONLY Vaishya Dharma Prasikhaa (1890) IS THE AUTHENTIC ONE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.36.11.17 (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
  1. No use to expect him to change his ways. We are here still fighting for the things that were initially politicized by someone. No wonder we are Indians. But when we look back at our achievements in our old age, then we may come to know of our faults. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toubrojawiki (talk • contribs) 21:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)