User talk:KJP1

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Contents 1 William Burges (architect) 2 ABC of referencing 3 The Hendre 4 The Hendre 5 Wyatt/Hendre

[edit] William Burges (architect)

You're welcome. I found it by chance when I was trying to fix the links to Saint Mary's. The pages about Studley Royal and Fountains Abbey have had a major reorganisation in the last month or so. It would be really good if you could add something about the church to Studley Royal Park#St Mary's Church and the deer park. You could give the church an article of its own if you have enough material - if you do, you would need to adjust the entry on the St. Mary's Church disambiguation page. CarolGray 18:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The material on St. Mary's at Fountains looks fantastic! Is there any chance you could add some footnotes in the text indicating where in the book on Burges you sourced your information - i.e. page numbers. Even one at the end of each paragraph would be good. --Madmedea 19:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually the same would be good for your additions to William Burges - I know its a pain but it brings up the robustness of wikipedia's verifiability - for help on footnotes see WP:CITE. --Madmedea 19:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, you wouldn't believe it but Forthampton is about 10 miles from where I work! Yes that will be a nice day out next weekend. If I get pics I'll put them in the Wikimedia Commons so you can look at them. I take it you're not in the UK. Here is one of my favourite gothic masterpieces - not a Burges, but not everything can be. Almshouses in Aberford, West Yorkshire. I'd love to see inside them but they're owned privately. Madmedea 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ABC of referencing

Right.... here is the ABC of referencing in wikipedia. The ideal thing is to cite every "fact" that you've included - as then if somebody comes along and edits after you it is still clear where each piece of evidence comes from - and it means that every piece of informations is verifiable. In reality, this rarely happens as it is such a pain in the behind and people rarely do it that thoroughly. But to get an article up to "featured status" this is the ideal to aim for. WP:CITE gives you all the basics of your citation options.

Personally I prefer using footnotes with a full citation in a references section. I've just implemented this in Studley Royal Park if you want to have a look. For every work used it requires a full description in the "references" section - Wikipedia:Citation templates can be used to help with this as they format it automatically for you. Then in the footnote you can normally get away with just using the author's surname, the title of the work, and the page the information is sourced from inbetween the footnote tags. If you've been on a Burges bonanza then it might be easier to just make sure you cite from now on and go back and add them in when you get a chance... otherwise you might die of boredom.

I hope you don't mind but I'm going to go into the William Burges page and add some sections and formatting - I'm a stickler for wikification. Feel free to come back with any questions about wikipedia, I've been at this for only a few months - I'm sure you'll learn the ropes in no time. Madmedea 19:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Happy to help - we're all learning here. I'm just very impressed with someone that knows so much about Burges (love his work). Don't worry too much about tags on your articles - unless they mention the word "delete" it just mean some aspect or other needs fixing. Feel free to ask any questions... I'm happy to help. And just one last tip - for any comment you make on a user talk page like this or on an article's talk page you can sign you name with four "tildes" (the wiggly symbol on the # key - and it will sign your username and put a link to your pages. Madmedea 20:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Hendre

You can upload images from anywhere, as long as they are released under the GNU Free Documentation License (or another license from this list). The easiest would be to upload your own photos so that you're free to release them under such free licenses, but if you write to the Monmouth Golf Club and you can persuade them to release their photos under the GFDL that's also okay. Flyingtoaster1337 01:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Lifting from most internet sites is not okay, because most people copyright their work to restrict who can use it and how. Free licenses require that anyone can distribute, modify and distribute their modifications of the work. Flyingtoaster1337 01:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Hendre

Thanks. Decided to get some of my old information about TH Wyatt together and put it into order on these pages. Begun to do some cross linking to other pages as well. I have some original material about the Hendre from the local records, all collected as part of a thesis in the 1970s, including some more original photos of not very good quality

Happy to swap views about what would be useful to work on

Uneirlys 08:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wyatt/Hendre

Thanks for your interest. In 1970 I went through the material on Hendre in the Monmouthshire Record Office. This was for a small thesis as part of my degree which covered some other of Wyatt's work. I did go to Llantarnam Abbey and to Malpas Court.

Looking back my notes are rather thin and I suspect that others have redone some of what I did as the entry in Pevsner for Gwent is reasonably comprehensive. Back then all the notes were handwritten and my photocopies have suffered badly. Got seduced over the last few weeks into trying to get the whole picture of Wyatt together and have been trawling Pevsner and the rest of the net. There still seems to be no detailed biography. I have a call out for the book: Wyatts - an architectural dynasty.

I have set up a separate web store for the material I collect that does not properly fit into the Wikipedia format. It is a mess at the moment but I will give it some structure shortly.

Would be happy to scan and load up material there as I go but may wish to keep it for controlled access rather than widely open until it looks more respectable. The thesis is certainly a bit naive from this long perspective.

Uneirlys 22:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)