User talk:Kitmaster

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Hello Kitmaster! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! ww2censor 17:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC) Getting started Wikipedia tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Attribution • Neutral point of view • Notability Conflict of interest • Autobiography Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Citing sources • Footnotes Image use policy • Copyrights • Fair use External links • Spam • Vandalism Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry What Wikipedia is not • Deletion policy The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The "perfect" article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

ww2censor 17:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Post box

Hi Steve, I will reply here as you are new to all this, but I usually reply wherever the discussion starts. Firstly I have reverted the edit you added to Post box because it is quite clearly a copyright violation as it stands even if you are the curator and give you permission to use it. Wikipedia encourages editors to write anew and not just cut and paste, especially from a copyright site. It does not integrate well with the current text and is not written in a very encyclopaedic fashion. The page you quote from, can be used as a source and for improving the article. I will be happy to help you do that because any philately related article is of interest to me but should be done to the standards required, so look at the welcome links I left you above to get a better view of things. Starting off with smaller edits is usually the best way before getting into the deeper improvements. I still have some pages I want to work on for more than a year - I'll get there some day, maybe.

If you want to do a major improvement to an existing article I will sometimes make a special user-space page and work on it there until I am ready to upload it. that way you can experiment and see that everything you add in relevant. I will start such a page and call it Kitmaster/postbox for you and paste the post box text into it that you added. Now you can rewrite it and tidy it up.

You also mentioned having photos available. These need to be appropriately licensed and possibly the best place to upload them in into Wikimedia Commons. Improperly licensed images will be removed by other editors or administrators. This may all sound rather strict to you but it is the correct way to ensure everything is above board. Too much is stolen, purloined or improperly used on the internet, but Wikipedia tries its best.

BTW, your website info on Irish letter boxes is rather badly and inaccurately written - I will look around more later when I have time. Hope the above all helps. Cheers ww2censor 17:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your useful comments regarding my earlier edit and for setting up the dummy page for editing it on. I don't understand how I can be violating my own copyright though? Since it is all my own work anyway, if I add it to Wiki surely I am only copying my own work from one location to another? Likewise all the photographs on my site are by me and any that I would propose to upload to Wiki will be mine too. So I guess that bit is OK?

Whilst I am happy to change the style of my original essay, I'd hate to have to re-write the whole thing! Also, regarding Eire, how do you get the E with an accent over it? Thanks Steve--Kitmaster 20:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I have run a first edit for style on the user-space copy and uploaded one image to see if you approve? Also please do correct any inaccuracies on Irish boxes on my site that you may have noticed. Many thanks, Steve --Kitmaster 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the comments you posted on my talk page here to keep the discussion together. I have your page on my watchlist so will see if any changes are made to this posting (if you don't start a new posting title). Just add additional colons, as necessary, to indent newer text. Maybe you did not notice my talk page note on that topic. BTW, you must sign your talk page postings by adding four tildes (~~~~) to you posting. This is good wikinetiquette and was mentioned in the welcome posting above.

Now that I have read your edit I see that Post box is not really the place for this edit. It would be better to use it as a history section to Pillar box. Post box should really be a worldview article of post boxes and not UK top heavy, but Pillar box is basically a UK based article and most of your edit expands that, so I would suggest incorporating it in a slightly rewritten form. As you say, it is an essay, and that does not quite fit in an encyclopaedia (factual and verifiable is another criteria) and there are a couple of places where basically duplicate statements are made which are, of course, redundant. I will try to help you but will not get to look again until tomorrow evening (Tuesday). I will change the page I made for you to include the Pillar box text and we should work from that. Hope you agree.

Regarding the copyright, I know that when I started here I was admonished for the same thing. Posting text that was on a website I maintain and I gave permission to use it. The page was deleted twice on me but I now think I know how to handle that issue. Anyway, I see you posted some photos but I suggested you add them to the Wikimedia Commons rather than directly to the English Wikipedia; if you post there, with a public domain licence, no one needs to upload again to their own language wiki of which there are 10 major ones and many other languages I don't even know what they are. Just join like you did here. The image references are the same as if you posted here. You are likely using a Windoze PC, so I don't know the keystroke for É but if you look below the editing window you will see many of the useful symbols, etc., that you can use in your editing; like this É or even Ç. This is what the sandbox is very useful for. ww2censor 03:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for all of your help. I will upload the rest of the images to Commons as you suggest. I now know where the tilde is on my PC! I have expanded the pillar box section following your comments to include the 1968, 1974 and 1980 designs which brings us right up to date. I have referenced all the Cities , but was not sure about terms such as "lifting ring" which probably don't have an entry already? What do you think? Also, I notice on the Lamp Box and Ludlow Box pages and indeed in some picture captions, the LBSG type designations appear. Do you think we should include these with the Pillar box references too? It would help to standardise them. I will check back tonight after Sudbury Philatelic Soc's auction (I'm looking to win a block of four GvR 1d Scarlet with Thom overprints as it happens). Best regards, Kitmaster 09:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Damn! Had to settle for a Dollard o/p on SG3 instead!Kitmaster 23:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL, btw, I was looking at your website and need to get some stuff from you. Will use the website email and you can mail the things to my son in London where I am going to see my first grandson. Maybe, if you are not too far away I can come over to see the boxes. I am also an LBSG member, for about 20 years. Cheers.ּּּ ּּּww2censor 00:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ludlows

We should cooperate on writing a Ludlow page that has been on my radar for quite some time. I have a nice photo of the Clonmel Ludlow that I have observed each time I have pass it as they are so rare in Ireland; maybe 4 or 5 times in 20 years. You seem to have many examples that would be great to illustrate an article. ww2censor 00:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes that would be a good thing to do - did you check out the Ludlow Tour of Britain? I think we have 225 or more on there now, it was designed to be a comparison resource. Would you be happy to have Clonmel up there? If so, e-mail it to the address on the home page. And of course you are very welcome here; we are 20 miles from London Stansted, about an hour by train from Liverpool St.Kitmaster 22:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, my son tells me it is a pain to get to Stanstead, but maybe you know better. He lives in Battersea. I think we should make these arrangement by email. Cheers ww2censor 23:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well lots of cheap flights to Stansted and a fast train (45 mins) in to Central London, but agree Battersea is better served by LGW and LHR. What dates have you in mind? And have you seen all the work I've done tonight? Lost it all last night as the servers were too busy! Is there any way to prevent that happening? You do a big edit and when you try to upload it says Come back later, we're busy, so you lose it all. Any thoughts? Steve Kitmaster 00:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am coming into Heathrow on April 12th but will not be available until at least 17th at the earliest but have many people to see. I lived in London for 5 years!

You certainly have many Ludlow images, though I would love to see some location details for each. I will see if I have a digital image of Clonmel for you to add. Cheers ww2censor 00:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That could put an end to it then as I'm in Montreal until 20th April... Regarding the ludlows, if you hover over the image you get the village name and on some you can click through to a county map (not all yet as its laborious to do).Kitmaster 09:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a pity as I will be leaving on the 23rd and I think my other son will be coming to London for that weekend. I better send you my order before you leave. BTW, when do you depart? You will just have to come down here as I currently live near New York. ww2censor 13:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Rather foolishly I thought you might be living in Ireland! I'll be flying out to Toronto first on the 12th then taking the train up to Montreal on 15th. However I will need to make another visit to Franklin Lakes NJ fairly soon, so we might be able to hook up then. BTW have you seen the boxes in the NY Post Office? They have some nice Irish and UK pillars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitmaster (talk • contribs)

I was but came here about 15 years ago. Franklin Lakes is quite close to me, so let's hope it is not when I go to the Show near Boston in early May. ww2censor 16:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I'll be coming to NJ and Boston several times this year anyway.Kitmaster 19:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Good! ww2censor 20:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Losing edits

Regarding losing edits, if the server is busy, the best thing to do is use the back button, copy the whole section, or page, depending on what you are working on, and paste into a text editing software on you computer. When you come back online later paste that into the edit taking care to see no one else has made any major edits in the meantime that you wold be overwriting. I have usually only had to wait a few minutes, well maybe 10, for the server to get back online and up to speed again. Thanks ww2censor 00:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I got a new one last night - "Locked for Editing whilst Slave Servers catch up with the Master servers", but at least I didn't lose it this time.Kitmaster 09:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That one sometimes happens, but as I suggested use the back button, make a quick copy for later and don't panic, just in case it is an ongoing problem. Losing edits, anytime, is just very frustrating. ww2censor 13:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

I will add a construction section near the top to gather your recent edits together and the Guernsey sections needs some rewrite. Do you have any images of the early Guernsey pillar boxes? If not I will ask a friend, who lives there, to take a pic for us. The Anonymous section also needs some extra info. Next we need to put some inline citations into the text. ww2censor 13:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not seen the Guernsey box since 1969 myself, so my pics are copies from friends. Better to get a new one. I do have the one in the BPMA though if all else fails. We should add the PB29/30 pillars with stamp machines in, then I think we have it covered. I don't seem to have a Type G picture on this machine either so I will need to get that off my laptop (in for repair). Then I think we are about done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitmaster (talk • contribs)

Working on this again in the early evening!!! I will ask my friend, not my friends! BPMA images may fail copyright but I will have to check with someone who knows better than I. This is proving rather a nice bit of work but I still want to put in some inline citations and need to find some of my literature for that. BTW, don't forget to sign your posts. ww2censor 16:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I'm rather pleased you made me do it properly! We had an LBSG Open Day at the BPMA last year and I photographed every box on display. Not sure if we need permission to use these pics or not? I could ask Julian Stray at BPMA? Kitmaster 19:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. The photos will be your copyright to do with as you wish, unless you signed some sort of release form, which i know you did not do. Just be judicious in not overpopulating the article. Each image should supplement some of the text. ww2censor 20:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I'll just use the PB1 and the Vandyke boxes.Kitmaster 20:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pillar box

I see you are back. I have posted the finished Pillar box page from your work page into the mainspace. My only immediate concern is that some of the image captions are too long and detailed. BTW, I received the milestone book and will be in touch privately soon on some other matters. ww2censor 16:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ludlow wall box

On 15 May 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ludlow wall box, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 04:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Cool!! ww2censor 14:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:P&T (Ireland).png

Hello Kitmaster, an automated process has found an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, such as fair use. The image (Image:P&T (Ireland).png) was found at the following location: User:Kitmaster/postbox. This image or media will be removed per statement number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media will be replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. The image that was replaced will not be automatically deleted, but it could be deleted at a later date. Articles using the same image should not be affected by my edits. I ask you to please not readd the image to your userpage and could consider finding a replacement image licensed under either the Creative Commons or GFDL license or released to the public domain. Thanks for your attention and cooperation. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 05:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

Long time no see. I have been to London again since you were last online here. Can I help you with anything? You may want to put a tag {{db-author}} on the original page we worked on to delete it because it is now obsolete. Hope you will be around a little more often. Cheers ww2censor 18:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you back or just popping in for a quick edit? ww2censor 19:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Good to be back, it's been a very busy year at work which did not leave much time for Wiki. Also my own site has migrated across two ISPs over the Summer, involuntarily and needs a total re-work. I've been tidying up Post box as an intro page to our other more detailed pages. I did manage to get a week in Ireland (N. & S.) over the Summer so have lots more great post box pictures! Where should the tag go??Kitmaster 19:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I've done it....Kitmaster 19:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you really back again? Hopefully a little more active than of late. I have not seen you around much but saw you mentioned in the LBSG newsletter recently. If you have Ferrugia's book, which i don't have it would be great to use proper inline references and maybe the Pillar box could become a GA or even a FA. BTW, I have featured it on the Portal:Philately. Cheers & happy New Year. ww2censor (talk) 18:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I'm back, but about to have supper!Kitmaster (talk) 18:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

OK full up again! I really appreciate you posting the Pillar Box page on the Philately Portal. I also really like the Portal too. Reason I have not been around is pressure of work (my Boss just had his throat surgically cut)and the fact that my ISP folded and the main www.cvphm.org website has got trashed in the transfer to zen internet and I now need to learn a whole load of s/w in order to edit it which is taking a long long time. Once that is fixed I will be able to spend more time on Wiki. Right now it comes as small doses of light relief... Kitmaster (talk) 19:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wall box

Ok, I will look at Wall box it has quite a few format errors that need dealing with, as in a minor way, did you user page. As mentioned previously all the letter box pages need proper references. citing a book alone as a reference is just a biographical reference. Individual statement that could be questioned should be cited with an inline reference/footnote. Have a look at these pages to see what I am talking about; WP:CITE, WP:ECITE and WP:CIT. You may also want to look at [WP:MOS|Manual of Style]] to help with general formatting guidelines, so that your articles comply. Proper formatting and style are important if one ever wants to bring an article up to Good article or Featured article status. It avoids lots of extra work later on. Hope to see you around. BTW are you ever coming to New Jersey again? ttfn ww2censor (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)