Template talk:Kiss
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I decided to create this template because, well, I think it's about time. To answer what some people may be wondering - I decided to put Gene, Paul, Ace & Peter at the top because that is what most people consider to be the classic KISS lineup. I know there are a lot of fans of the '80s stuff, but KISS became famous for the original lineup and are most remembered that way. I didn't put Thayer & Singer at the top because while they may currently be members, they are a minor part of KISS' history. --Cholmes75 18:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Every band infobox has the current members on top. It doesn't matter if your opinion is that Singer and Thayer are a minor part of KISS' history, the fact is that they are current members of the band. Frehley and Criss are past members.<<Coburn_Pharr>> 22:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Bob Kulick
I debated adding Bob originally, but decided to do so now because I feel he is big enough in KISS history to warrant the link. --cholmes75 03:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Singles
I've done a few articles on the KISS singles, and I'm glad there was a way to edit the template to include them. I agree with Cholmes75 that the singles should be listed in order of date released for clarity reasons, not in alphabetical order.
Should there be a section for their songs, I could see that going in alphabetical order though, but that's if there will be enough articles. Darwin's Bulldog 19:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "New York Groove"
I've gone ahead and added "New York Groove" to the template, even though it's an Ace Frehley song and not a KISS song per se. KISS would perform the song live and it's generally considered a "solo" KISS song. Darwin's Bulldog 01:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Singles
Must we have these singles listed on the template itself? It makes the template unnecessarily long, and thus does to the same to pages it's on, especially articles that are getting a bit long themselves. Wouldn't it make more sense to just link to this? The way the template is now, it gives a very definite and very misleading impression that this is all of KISS' singles, which it isn't, not by a long shot. wikipediatrix 22:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, standard practice for templates like this is to list individual singles. There are, I'm sure, exceptions. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 04:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Of the first dozen major bands I checked, the templates for The Who, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Bay City Rollers, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax, and Pink Floyd didn't have singles listed in their templates. (Aerosmith did, and Alice Cooper doesn't have a template at all, surprisingly.) In most cases, it seems just having a link to a list of singles is the norm, especially in the case of a band who has a lot of singles, like KISS. I dunno. Seems to me they should either all be listed, or none. Or maybe just the Top Ten hits. wikipediatrix 16:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, Top Ten might whittle down the list too much. How about Top 40? --cholmes75 (chit chat) 20:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- That would be Rock & Roll All Nite, Shout it out Loud, Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Calling Dr. Love, Christine Sixteen, Rocket Ride, New York Groove, I Was Made For Lovin' You, and Forever. still kind of a long list, but better than the way the template is now, I suppose. wikipediatrix 20:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- I like that list. I say let's try that for starters, and if it still looks too big we can trim later. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 21:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why has the list been shortened to "Primary Singles"? It's somewhat POV and goes against standard wiki practice, as other artist templates (such as Aerosmith's and Def Leppard's) include all singles. Darwin's Bulldog 18:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Read my post above, in which I name off many templates for obvious bands that do not follow this practice. I know of no Wikipolicy that mandates we list every single by every band in its template. I agree "Primary" is POV though - it should read "Top 40". wikipediatrix 02:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- The reason I chose "primary" was because I wanted to open a later discussion on whether the template should list just US Top 40 songs, or Top 40 songs in other major countries as well. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 02:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- If the template tried to keep track of all the different releases and hits in different countries, the template would essentially become a sort of discography article in itself, and I don't think that's the purpose of templates. Normally, I'm all about making these articles less U.S.-centric, but in this case, I would think that it's a given that we're referring to the Top 40 of the band's indigenous country. Still, we could say "U.S. Top 40" or "Billboard Top 40" so there could be no doubt. wikipediatrix 02:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Done. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 02:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- For the record, I'm not thrilled about cutting out many of the singles in favor of the "U.S. Top 40" choice. KISS has never been a Top 40 band, evident by their only having nine singles (including Frehley's "New York Groove") break the Top 40 in their 30+ year history. Darwin's Bulldog 07:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Done. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 02:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- If the template tried to keep track of all the different releases and hits in different countries, the template would essentially become a sort of discography article in itself, and I don't think that's the purpose of templates. Normally, I'm all about making these articles less U.S.-centric, but in this case, I would think that it's a given that we're referring to the Top 40 of the band's indigenous country. Still, we could say "U.S. Top 40" or "Billboard Top 40" so there could be no doubt. wikipediatrix 02:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- The reason I chose "primary" was because I wanted to open a later discussion on whether the template should list just US Top 40 songs, or Top 40 songs in other major countries as well. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 02:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Read my post above, in which I name off many templates for obvious bands that do not follow this practice. I know of no Wikipolicy that mandates we list every single by every band in its template. I agree "Primary" is POV though - it should read "Top 40". wikipediatrix 02:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why has the list been shortened to "Primary Singles"? It's somewhat POV and goes against standard wiki practice, as other artist templates (such as Aerosmith's and Def Leppard's) include all singles. Darwin's Bulldog 18:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I like that list. I say let's try that for starters, and if it still looks too big we can trim later. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 21:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- That would be Rock & Roll All Nite, Shout it out Loud, Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Calling Dr. Love, Christine Sixteen, Rocket Ride, New York Groove, I Was Made For Lovin' You, and Forever. still kind of a long list, but better than the way the template is now, I suppose. wikipediatrix 20:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, Top Ten might whittle down the list too much. How about Top 40? --cholmes75 (chit chat) 20:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Of the first dozen major bands I checked, the templates for The Who, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Bay City Rollers, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax, and Pink Floyd didn't have singles listed in their templates. (Aerosmith did, and Alice Cooper doesn't have a template at all, surprisingly.) In most cases, it seems just having a link to a list of singles is the norm, especially in the case of a band who has a lot of singles, like KISS. I dunno. Seems to me they should either all be listed, or none. Or maybe just the Top Ten hits. wikipediatrix 16:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Family Guy?
Should Family Guy be listed as related, particularly A Very Special Family Guy Freakin' Christmas and the other one where Lois dated Gene? --Evil Eccentric 21:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- No. Those are passing references, and nothing more. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 22:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- That's true, but both episodes actually had their voices, and the Christmas one made fun of KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park. --Evil Eccentric 05:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Semi-protected
Due to an upswing in vandalism by anon users, I have semi-protected this template for 7 days. That means IP addresses and accounts less than 4 days old cannot edit the template during this period. If you are in either of these groups and wish to have an edit made, please let me know. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 23:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- The semi-protection has been placed back on for 2 weeks. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 01:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New look
I updated the template to match the one used for Iron Maiden, which IMO is much more attractive. Plus it now includes all domestically released singles, not just ones that hit the Top 40. If anyone has any major objections to this I'd be happy to discuss here. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
