Talk:Kish (Sumer)
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[edit] Incredible information must be verified
The information in this article is remarkable if true. Sources need to be cited.Rich 09:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately it isn't. The page urgently needs re-editing.
- John D. Croft —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.80.123.222 (talk) 18:22, August 2, 2006 (UTC)
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- -I'll remove most of the article if it's not verified soon.Rich 14:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
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- -I just emailed a famous expert on Sumer to ask her to look at this article.Rich 06:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Removed section moved to talk page
The following was deleted from the article in this edit by User:Richard L. Peterson on August 7, 2006. I figure it would be a good idea to have the text reside here in case someone can come up with the references that were requested:
- More than 5,000 years ago the first empire in the world was founded by the King of Kish.[citation needed] While the name of that king is lost to history along with most of the history of his empire, the imposing title remains.[citation needed] Ever since that time every emperor to conquer the area known as Sumer, in present-day Iraq, from the Sargon, who overthrew Kish and established the Akkadian Empire, to Saddam Hussein has taken the title of King of Kish.[citation needed] In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh despite all his power is a vassal of the King of Kish.[citation needed] While he makes an attempt to display that he could be independent, by defying Kish's authority, his display is brief and in the end he comes back and pledges his fealty. [citation needed]Indeed, some scholars[citation needed] believe that both the ancient Sumerian and the Biblical flood stories arise from one of the greatest floods in history, the flood that destroyed Kish near the height of its power...[citation needed]while Kish recovered somewhat and had kings again this destruction enabled other empires to form.[citation needed]
- From what little we know of the Empire of Kish it appears to have operated a fairly centralized bureaucracy to run a system of tithe and tax that primarily dealt in agricultural goods and animals.[citation needed] The structure of Kishite bureaucracy and government can in some way be reconstructed from Akkadian practices,[citation needed] as the Akkadian kings copied much from the leaders of Kish[citation needed] who in turn preserved a great deal from the earlier days of the Empire. We can tell this because of the physical structures that have been excavated.[citation needed] Excavation of large buildings that appear to have been central storage facilities with attached office rooms for bureaucrats have told us much about both Kishite architecture and about the purposes that architecture may have served before it was buried in the great flood[citation needed] that practically leveled the city and ended its glory days. [citation needed]
__meco 12:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Exact location?
Can somebody provide more precise coordinates for the location of Kish? Cush 16:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Lat: 32°31'58.75"N ; Long: 44°37'59.28"E NJMauthor (talk) 19:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ninhursag and "the kingship"
I think the note about Ninhursag bringing kingship to Sumer may have been a misinterpretation of a translation of the Babylonian Enuma Elish. Because Kish was probably still occupied by people during the time of that epic, and because it's only categorized as a Mesopotamian city, the note is only innaccurate if the event is called "Sumerian." Nico (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
