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[edit] Question about recent contribution

Dear 2215asp,

Thank you for your recent contributions.

Regarding the sentence you added: "While they claim to be running a "quiet and peaceful place in the Vil," undercover journalists have revealed how the enterprise is a front for their prosyletizing and religious agenda."

I do not understand the point. From the beginning the Interfaith Sanctuary was to be a place for prosyletizing and religious agenda. It is no different now. Certainly income is generated from the Bed and Breakfast and restaurant (if it is still open), but to my knowledge, tenants have always been giving a reduced price if they attend the temple services.

Thank you for helping me understand the above sentence by your explanation.

Sincerely,

Hrishikesh Henrydoktorski (talk) 19:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gross Omission

"Controversial" does not even come close to telling half the story of Bhaktipada! There is also no mention of the abuses and several murders committed in the US by members of the church, one of which was engineered by Mr. Bhaktipada himself. One of the reasons why the movement has lost a lot of steam and is almost non-existent these days. Here is a link to the story, I'll work it into the article next week but if someone wants to edit it, please feel free to do so.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDA1530F934A25755C0A961948260

Philosopher2king (talk) 15:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)philosopher2king

Howdy, the charges against Kirtanananda are mentioned in the section entitled, Criminal conviction and imprisonment, where it says, "In 1990 the US federal government indicted Kirtanananda on five counts of racketeering, six counts of mail fraud, and conspiracy to murder two of his opponents in the Hare Krishna movement (Chakradhari and Sulochan). The government claimed that he had illegally amassed a profit of more than $10.5 million over four years. It also charged that he ordered the killings because the victims had threatened to reveal his sexual abuse of minors." It also goes on to mention a number of other things in that section. I don't see how the article "grossly omits" such things. However, there are a number of other things that could probably be mentioned in this article too. Sulochan's real name was Steven Bryant, and Chakradhari was Charles St. Denis. The man who is in prison for killing them is called Tirtha, or Thomas Drescher. In the case of the killing of Charles St. Denis, Tirtha was assisted by Daruka, or Dan Reid. Reid is supposedly still in prison too. There are a number of other allegations, but sometimes it's difficult to separate fact from speculation. A man named Randall Gorby, a chief witness in the trial against Tirtha, was found dead in his pickup truck with a gunshot wound to his head. Also, Nimai Bryant (the son of Sulochan) drowned at New Vrindaban months after his father was murdered. Not only that, but Radheya (son of Chakradhari) and Rohini (son of Daruka) were both found suffocated together in an abandoned refrigerator at New Vrindaban. A number of other bodies were dug up at New Vrindaban over the years too. There have been allegations of murder, fraud, deception, theft, drug dealing, prostitution, child abuse, molestation, and nearly everything imaginable. For the record, I'm not (and never was) a Hare Krishna or anything like that, I'm just interested in the truth and seeing that these things are presented in a fair and accurate way with appropriate citations. There's a book entitled Monkey on a Stick. Also, many of these things are discussed in a documentary film entitled Holy Cow Swami (1996), and I definitely recommend this movie for anyone interested in the history of the Hare Krishna movement.[1] Fartbucket (talk) 08:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)