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[edit] Absolute Maniac?
Kirk Thomas Cameron (born October 12, 1970) is an absolute maniac?
Currently, Cameron partners with fellow nutcase evangelist Ray Comfort?
The Way of the Master, a website that has been wasting the bandwidth of internet providers for some time?
While everybody has their opinions and have the rights to do so, Crackpots have poured too much opinion here, editing now... --guest 8:14PM CDT
- If you can provide properly cited and researched evidence to back up those statements, without injecting your own opinion and point of view into the article, then by all means go ahead. --MessengerAtLWU (talk | contribs) 18:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Whatever happened to common sense? They're both nuts. Comfort looks like that weirdo warden from The Shawshank Redemption. 70.53.111.120 02:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
One example is taking a chimpanzee to a restaurant, where he proceeds to break commandments at the table during lunch. The segment is meant to allude to a supposed inconsistency in the scientific theory that human beings evolved from other primates.
This statement seems to be very tricky to word w/o being NPOV: "a supposed inconsistency" kinda casts doubt on them, and "scientific theory" could imply that Cameron's and Comfort's point isn't scientific (and thus not right). B/W that and all the bazillion edits on that one sentence with nothing on the talk page, I've just replaced it with something completely different, and much more relevant: The whole monkey incident happened only once on of their episodes, while the on-the-street interviews happen several times an episode.
Yep, and I'm going to edit the page accordingly now. --MessengerAtLWU 17:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] categorized as a creationist
Does it make any sense? I think that a better usage of categories would be putting only relevant people on it, in this case, people with authoral works directly related with creationism, not just adding every single person of any area of endeavor who happens to be a religious fundamentalist. For that, could be something like a "list of religious fundamentalists", which could include people that just believe it, but are not more involved in some other way. --Extremophile 17:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Since an expert creationist and novice creationist pretty much have the argument, he should be listed as a creationist, no experience is needed. Aug 2008
No idea where to put this (sorry), but doesn't anyone think it would be kind of important to add something about this from the Growing Pains article, at least to help keep the article NPOV?:
In 2003, according to the article "The Rebirth of Kirk Cameron" in Christianity Today, Cameron "admits he made some mistakes common to new believers — such as distancing themselves so far from the world that they do no good for anyone ... In time, however, he realized his missteps. In 2000, he rejoined his former cast members for a Growing Pains reunion movie. With a decade of spiritual growth under his belt, he stood in front of his TV family and apologized. 'I was a 17-year-old guy trying to walk with integrity, knowing that I was walking in the opposite direction from many other people. I didn't have the kind of maturity and graceful way of putting things perhaps that I would now,' he says. Cameron's fellow actors immediately embraced him."
Again, sorry for not having any clue where this is supposed to go. I know this is really the wrong section. Maybe you could point me to the right place?
- Hi! First off, welcome to Wikipedia! Second, sign your posts on talk pages with ~~~~. And we did in fact referenced and linked to the article; it's the third paragraph down in the "Career" section (the article begins "When he was 'about 17 years old'..."). However, it may indeed require a fleshing out, so go for it! MessengerAtLWU (talk | contribs) 13:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Back to the Future?
I know that Kirk was in the BttF Trilogy DVD set (Disc 3) as the FaQ answer guy, originally made in 1990, after BttF III came out. However, there's no mention of it anywhere on his page.
Should I add it? Jorrel Fraajic 22:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Minister
I do not think that Mr. Cameron is a Protestant minister in the conventional sense. In my opinion, he should not be included in that category, unless there is evidence that he was actually ordained.--Anglius 05:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I am uncertain. For one thing, I have never observed that television-show.--Anglius 05:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- There is a picture of Kirk preaching in a Baptist church for the last Transformed conference on the Way of the Master Radio website, [1]. I don't think Baptist ministers even need to necessarily be ordained, much less a non-denominational one, but I think it really depends on your definition of minister. Wikipedia's seems like its inclusive enough for Kirk to count, at Minister of religion. Homestarmy 06:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate your information, sir.--Anglius 02:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Top Image
That is a horrible photograph of Mr. Cameron. It causes him look like an unkempt man who is ageing rapidly. Please replace it with one of better quality(no offence to the photographer.)
- The first one was removed for fair use reasons, since conceivably a free image can and has been created, even if it may seem a bit off.... Homestarmy 21:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, sir, but there are probably free images of him that are of better quality. I appreciate your explanation, though.--Anglius 21:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- I would say he looked more attractive in his Teen Idol days. Cbsteffen 03:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)Cbsteffen
- Agreed. Why not use the picture of him from further down the article (the one with Ray Comfort). It would fit fair use, it's also recent, and it illustrates their Way of the Master partnership. WAVY 10 17:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Because a fair use photo cannot be used when a free one is available. -- -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 17:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vegetarian
I think this source proves he isn't. Old McCameron Had a Farm article (scroll toward the end) WAVY 10 Fan 12:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Birthdate change - link to E-News
I have reverted the recent edit changing Cameron's birthdate to 1969, for the following reasons:
- There are published sources indicating his birth year is 1970 (here for example);
- There are no published sources for it being 1969 (the alleged link to E-News is dead)
- The evidence for 1969 is extremely tenuous - E-News allegedly reported that Cameron was 9 when he appeared in an advertisement, the advertisement is copyrighted in 1979, so he must have been born in 1969? Isn't it just as possible that he was born in 1970, recorded the ad when he was 8 and it appeared on TV when he was 9? Or that he appeared in the ad in 1979 after his 9th birthday but before the end of the year? Or that E-News got it mildly wrong?
I'd be happy to discuss this further if anyone has some verifiable evidence for 1969. However in the absence of evidence to support this claim, the sources supporting 1970 seem sufficient to have this date remain in the article. Euryalus (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- It would seem kind of weird for Kirk to lie about his age, especially considering his ministry work now with Way of the Master; where the commandment not to lie is one of the major emphasis points for the ministry. That's why I'd say dubious...at best. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Director?
When was that? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 17:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] There was a little bit of bias...
...but I corrected that. The picture's caption said "Kirk Cameron refutes evolution with the croco-duck arguement." although it's quite obvious he has not.
- Bahaha... yeah. Man, I missed that. Leave it to the Liars For Jesus.... — NRen2k5(TALK), 12:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
