Talk:Kira Nerys

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"Commentators on slash fanfiction cite a Kira/Sisko pairing as one most "would find incredible in the same bed." With the thesis that slash fanfic usually pairs different characters, one commentator proceeds to focus on a fanfic pairing Kira with Dukat, whose relationship prior to the fanfic is considered acrimonious."

... Uh, what on earth does that even MEAN? Incredible-unbelievable or incredible-good? A thesis that slash fanfic usually pairs different characters? Well, yes, slashing two characters together usually requires two different characters, although not always, in the star trek universe, when you can use a time warp or a clone or the Mirror Universe...

Basically, can someone who understands WTF this paragraph is trying to say please reword it? Or else remove it? AmethystPhoenix 03:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Skipped a rank?

Was Kira promoted from Major to Colonel, skipping over the rank of Lieutenant Colonel? GoodDay 17:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It could be that the Bajoran military rank structure does not have Lt. Col.s. But as far as I know, there is no canon source for Bajoran military ranks. ShutterBugTrekker 22:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Great Point GoodDay 02:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting page move

The character is known as Kira Nerys. There is no need to move it to Nerys Kira. And yes I know how Bajoran names work. I have reverted the move. 23skidoo 02:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) says "the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things". I don't recall a single episode where she's called "Nerys Kira" (always "Kira Nerys") or called "Nerys" (always "Kira"). So the page move doesn't jive with the naming convention. Besides, the only (currently) uses of Nerys Kira are on talk pages discussing this page move. Cburnett 03:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I also clearly recall it being mentioned in the TNG episode "Ensign Ro" that to use the form "Laren Ro" was improper and incorrect. I believe this also happened with Kira in a DS9 episode but can't put my finger on which one. There are examples of Kira being referred to as Nerys, however, often by characters such as Bareil and Odo. 23skidoo 03:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Major Kira's given name is Nerys. This was cited several times such as when Vedict Berrial inquiring what her given name is after she introduces herself as "Major Kira".
Apperantly bajoran names are treated very similar to japanese names, people are addressed by the last name and this could be an interesting addition to Bajoran. Just like Keiichi Morisato (Japanese would be Morisato Keiichi) or Kikuko Inoue (Japanese would be Inoue Kikuko), Nerys Kira should be how this article is titled. It may sound a bit wierd at first but it is actualy wierd the other way around. You dont normaly address people by the last name right?
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) suggests:
For people, this quite often leads to an article name in the following format: <First name> <Last name> (examples: Billy Joel, Margaret Thatcher, etc)
While it is just a guideline that can be ignored, I realy feel First Name, Last Name is the right format. Besides anyone visiting Kira Nerys will get to this page.
--Cool CatTalk|@ 10:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
(Essentially copied from talk page): While I appreciate efforts to render Kira's name correctly, CC, I believe the rendition "Kira Nerys" prevails: for example, the opening credits for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and her bio at the Star Trek website bill her that way. Reversing the order may appear slightly odd to a new visitor, and not just to Nana Visitor. :)
Moreover, while informative, we're not talking about Japanese names here. The Bajoran name dichotomy is nothing that an effective article lead cannot rectify. Basically, the move flies in the face of the common naming convention and is disagreeable. And, amidst contention, a vote (perhaps proposed at WP:RM?) will only validate your position which – while I empathise with – I don't necessarily agree with in this instance and suspect most others will not either. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mirror Kira

Wikipedia needs an equivalent of Kira Nerys (mirror). —Disavian (talk/contribs) 16:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

A subsection in this article might be enough. By the way, I copied a quote from the actress given in the link you provide. Would you happen to know where that interview appeared so I can cite it (before someone slaps on one of those annoying fact tags)? ShutterBugTrekker 20:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In-universe

This article has very little about the character's real-world casting, influence (either on the character or character's influence/significance in/on culture), or critical response. Hence the in-universe tag. Stop removing it, folks, unless you actually alter the article content. See Padme Amidala for an example of a good (even featured) article on a fictional character. --EEMeltonIV 00:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't dispute you've read Padmé's article, but I doubt you've read any of the DS9 (or maybe all Star Trek characters) articles before deciding they were all in-universe. A blanket message doesn't cut it. And if you did them all on the same day without reading a single line, that shows not interest in improving Wikipedia but a timed tactic to harass those you deem "fancrufters." Cromulent Kwyjibo 19:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Please look at just about every Star Trek characters' edit history and you'll find many substantial contributions by me -- and you might even see that several fiction-related articles I've contributed to have been recognized as Good Articles. But before you do that, if at all, examine Wikipedia's guidelines for writing about fiction. Articles that just offer plot summary while presenting no information about the character's real-world development, casting, critical reaction, etc. are in-universe and should have the maintenance tag. I applied the tag because I'm aware of the guidelines but don't have the resources to offer up the information to bring this article up to snuff -- the maintenance tag is there to attract other editors' attention in the hopes that they do have, for example, the DS9 companion or Encyclopedia or DVD commentaries and can adapt information from them. This article is in-universe; it should be flagged as such. If it seems unfair that this article is tagged, then I'll flip through the Star Trek character navbox and see what other characters are still overloaded with plot summary with minimal significant real-world info. --EEMeltonIV 21:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up: It seems "equal-opportunity" in-universe tagging isn't necessary; folks who edit the Trek characters' articles more frequently than me these days seem to have reached a consensus that they are in-universe. I need to add maintenance tags to only a few -- but, thanks for the heads up. I hope these draw folks' attention so that the articles can be improved beyond simply rehashing Memory Alpha content. Good idea, Cromulent. --EEMeltonIV 21:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)