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Contents 1 Silver Fish 2 DYK 3 How Girls Can Help to Build Up the Empire 4 Scouting mb 5 Images 6 Scouting articles 7 Two suggestions 8 Thank you 9 Taskforce 10 Scouting Barnstar 11 Ranger Guide 12 Checking in 13 GG/GS task force 14 28th Glasgow (Giffnock) Scout Group 15 Our Chalet 16 EJO and DFB 17 Rose Kerr 18 Scouting in Hawaii 19 Camp standards 20 Scout Association of Malawi 21 Muslims Scouts 22 BGIFC move 23 great start! 24 GSUSA 25 Girl Guides of Canada 26 Happy Holidays 27 Scouting WikiProject in the Signpost 28 Move 29 Returning 30 Kudos 31 New information on Imam al-Mahdi Scouts 32 Article structure 33 Betty Clay

[edit] Silver Fish

Interesting article. Could you clarify...is this a UK award, worldwide, WAGGGS award, or just what is the scope of the award and put it in the article. Tks. Rlevse 02:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm afraid the information I've given represents all that I reliably know about the award at the moment. The award is international in character as the recipients I've listed work or worked in the movement in variety of countries, but I don't know who is currently the awarding body. I'll add an appeal for this information to the article's talk page.Kingbird 14:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 28 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Silver Fish, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Congrats on the DYK. I have one on the DYK today too--Harry Brinkley Bass, who's a MILHIST and SCOUTING project effort, which I wrote and nom'd. Two from one project can't happen too often. Thanks for helping with the project!Rlevse 01:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Be sure to look here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Did_you_know.3F and in project announcements! Rlevse 01:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How Girls Can Help to Build Up the Empire

What an excellent first version of an article. Very well done. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 00:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Scouting mb

- For being off to a flying start with Scouting articles. Rlevse 02:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

An image gallery would solve your problem. Please see my reply at Talk:Girlguiding UK at let me know if you need help. Johntex\^talk 22:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. Now I know the correct style and tags I shouldn't have any trouble making up a gallery section. Kingbird 03:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting articles

Hi. I need a GG/GS expert and hope you can help. We've long wanted to get the Boy Scout and GG/GS articles structured the same. I've started on this. See the Project talk page. Can you help get Girl Guide and Girl Scout more in line with Boy Scout? Also, do you know the best place to move the country-specific info I've put on the Girl Guide and Girl Scout talk page? Thanks. Rlevse 20:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I've made a start by moving the UK specific material from the talk page, as you can see. It's going to take a while to get the information into appropriate sections and fill in some of the more glaring gaps, particularly as I just said I'd put up some articles about Girlguiding UK's regions, but I'm on the case, even if it's slow! Kingbird 17:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. Rlevse 17:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two suggestions

Hi. I've come up with two suggestions in the rename discussion. I'd like to know what you think of them. See that thread. Rlevse 10:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for dropping by to give me this message personally. I'll have a look into the things you're proposing, because at the moment I've no idea what a subproject or a taskforce involve, and then put my thoughts into the discussion. Kingbird 16:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

A subproject is simply a project that falls under the parent project, like if you had a trains project and Brit trains subproject. The subproject could have its own templates and everything. A taskforce is a group of people on a project who share a common interest in a certain area; like on the MILHIST project they have a WWI taskforce, WWII taskforce, etc. They have special captions on the project tag too. This is a short description of them. Hope it helps. Darthgriz98 may be correct in that there are not enough females in the project to support a subproject--the maintenance on a project is fairly high--for us, I do the vast majority of it. I think that if you are interested in one of these two options, the taskforce would be a better way to go. The taskforce would keep the bonds of "every scout/guide/rover are all part of the same movement" stronger too, I feel. Just my opinion.Rlevse 17:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

See the Signpost entry on the inviting participation subthread. Rlevse 22:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I appreciate that, and I also want to thank you for your edits and contributions. I have so wanted to see the feminine side of the project flourish, and if you check my edits about six months ago, I was begging anyone who even mentioned that they had been involved to please help add info, for instance the section in each US state article, to little success. Thank you, and you really need not apologize. I am a scholar of the rebirth of the movement in postSoviet countries, and have observed that the girls are more robust and sincere about it than their boy counterparts, even in mixed organizations. In Slovakia, for instance, they used to have to make every badge they earned as part of their program. The girls had these beautiful complete uniforms, proud of the badges they sewed themselves, and the guys were empty. The young ladies were living into the vision, and if my own nation's program has forgotten what that vision is, it is not reflected in the programs of the rest of the world. I know not to judge all by what happens here, and I have seen true Guiding and Scouting in action better than I could have done at that age. Out in the real world "Girl Scout" is not just a modifier before "cookies". I wish I could provide more info on each of the smaller organizations, and I hope I in turn did not upset that I stuck the stub information into the boy articles to have a chance to grow before they split off. You have a great day, sister! Your brother in B-P, Chris 18:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taskforce

You seemed interested in the taskforce. Do you want me to set up the pages and tags for it? You and Darthgriz98 are by far the most active women in the project. There are a couple of others that appear from time to time. Rlevse 16:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI, User:Darthgriz98 says she'd love to have a GG/GS taskforce. Rlevse 23:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I am interested in a GG/GS taskforce if there are others with me. As there are others, then I think we should go ahead. As I have no experience in setting up a lot of the things that might be needed, then I would be grateful for your work in setting up the taskforce.

I'm sorry it's taken so long for me to get to this message. My ISP is having a major problem with its optical fibre link to the outside world. If you don't hear from me again for a few days, it's not that I'm not interested, I just can't get on the internet. Kingbird 18:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll let Griz know and do the work for you. Thanks for your interest. Rlevse 20:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Think of a name. If you name it WAGGGS, it won't cover non-WAGGGS orgs. Perhaps "Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting" task force. Rlevse 20:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Howdy, looking forward to getting this taskforce started, just after I'm done with finals and you get internet ^_^Darthgriz⁹⁸ 20:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

May I join you in this taskforce? --jergen 09:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to have you on board. Well done for the huge amount of work you've put in to get more of the women's organisations separate articles. Kingbird 16:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting" taskforce works for me. It's straightforward and obvious, and that's good. Anyone else want to comment? Kingbird 16:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your task force name is a red link in the new project navigation pane as I am waiting to know for sure what you want to name the task force. Let me know when you want me to ahead and create the page with whatever name. Rlevse 19:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Kingbird--would you like to be the TF coordinator? Rlevse 23:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I would be terrified to be the TF coordinator, but I'll do it! It took me a day or two to decide. You'll have to give me some pointers as to the jobs I should make sure are done. Regarding the TF name, I suggest waiting until the weekend has elapsed and then going ahead with "Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting" if no-one has an alternative. Kingbird 16:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

As no one has objected to the name or Kingbird being the TF coordinator, I've creating this. See the the TF talk page and main page (on the project navigation pane. Rlevse 15:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)...go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force. One of the first things members should do is define your goals and scope. I and I'm sure others will help with templates, ideas, whatever you need, just let us know.Rlevse 15:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for getting us up and running. Kingbird 17:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting Barnstar

- for significant contributions to Guiding articles and also for making the Scouting WikiProject members keenly aware of the need to greatly improve the presence and awareness of Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting issues within the Project. Rlevse 23:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ranger Guide

Can you create a quick stub to get rid of the redlink Ranger Guide in the Scouting article? I don't know anything about them, except this: [1]. Rlevse 00:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I've created something quick for the time being - it's at Ranger (Girl Guide). I'll try to get back and improve it at some point. Kingbird 16:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. PS, you may want to copy your Barnstar to your main user page. It was well-deserved! Rlevse 16:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Checking in

Just checking on you. How are you? Rlevse 12:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Overrun with Real Life! It's been mad. I'm sorry I didn't manage to leave a message that I couldn't make any contributions for a few weeks. I probably won't be active for about another week, except what I do today, then I'll be back to usual. It was a real pleasure to log on for the first time in ages and find you're back with us. Happy New Year! Kingbird 19:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad you're back. I was beginning to worry. You can open my talk page, look near the top, and there's some code I uncomment and edit when I'm on break. You can copy and modify if you like.Rlevse 19:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi! When you're done with the GG/GS article, let me know, and I'll do what I can to get it to GA. Thanks for all your help.Rlevse 10:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GG/GS task force

Hey I made a userbox for the GG/GS taskforce to help us network with other members, if you want to check it out it's on the task force talk page. Let me know what you think, when you get back from your break of course. Take it easy, Darthgriz⁹⁸ 04:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Darthgriz! A userbox is a helpful addition to the task force. I'll put it on my page right away. I also saw your message about the Studio 2B page. I recently bought some Studio 2B resources so I may be able to help out in the future. Kingbird 20:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 28th Glasgow (Giffnock) Scout Group

Hiya, I noticed that you have done some minor editing on the group's article... just to let you know that ths article is in the process of being merged with Scouting in Greater Glasgow and will be replaced with a simple redirect to the Area's article in a few days unless there are any major objections listed in the discussion... Horus Kol 00:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Our Chalet

CHeck the ref you added, something is wrong with it. Let me know if you need help.Rlevse 20:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

You're quick! It's all fixed now. The longer tag went into a reference further up the page that I was sorting when you dropped me the message. No worries. Kingbird 21:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Two questions--I know Olave became Chief Guide in 1930 and lived to about 1977. At what point did she cease being World Chief Guide? Also, if I may ask, I know you said you are British but now live elsewhere. In what country do you live? Just curious. Rlevse 01:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Olave B-P has never stopped being World Chief Guide despite being, as you said, dead. There's never been another. Just like B-P being World Chief Scout. As for myself, I live in Puerto Rico, where kingbirds sit on the telephone wires outside my home, dashing to and fro catching insects. Kingbird 17:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

PR--been there a few times with the Navy and took the chance to scuba dive several times while there.Rlevse 21:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EJO and DFB

Notice you've added scouting template to Elsie J. Oxenham, which is great, and I can let you have more info on her references to Guiding (and Camp Fire) if you're interested. Does Girls Guildry come within your remit? If it does, Dorita Fairlie Bruce includes it, especially in her 'Nancy' Series. I hesitate to add the template myself as I'm not sure if Guildry 'counts'...??--Abbeybufo 20:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry I've been away and haven't had an opportunity to reply. Whether Girls' Guildry is covered by the Scouting Wikiproject or not is a bit of a vexed question! The Scouting Wikiproject definitions say yes, but Girls' Guildry became the Girls' Brigade in the '60s, and recent editors on the Girls' Brigade page have not wanted the article to carry the Scouting Wikiproject tags. Now you have given me this information about the 'Nancy' series, I'm going to mention it on DFB's page and put all the Scouting tags on her page. If anyone really objects, they can be taken off. Now that I think of it, some of this information about EJO's and DFB's books might fit in at Scouting in popular culture. I'll see what looks right. Kingbird 15:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No prob - I could see you were on a wikibreak so put your page on watch until you came back (also lifted the code to be able to put myself on a break aome time in the summer - thanks!). Nancy is actually in GG and rises through such ranks as there are (I'm afraid I don't possess the books in this series & can't check the terminology, but have read them a while ago and so this is from memory). In the Dimsie books one of the original girls in the 'Anti-Soppists League' founds a GG group in the village near 'Jane's' - the school that is the main setting for the earlier books in the series - and the younger girls in the school think of schemes to help the Guildry group buy a piano. Can let you have a list of the EJO books that include Guides and or Camp Fire if you like. All the best, Abbeybufo (talk) • (contribs) 21:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Have added a few more EJO titles to the list on the Scouting in popular culture page, as requested, and removed one (Abbey Champion) that has no guiding or Camp Fire. The ones listed are the main titles where GG or CF are a major part of the story, but either/both are mentioned in several other titles, too. One or two of the ones I've left on the Scouting page are borderline, so if when you come back from your current wikibreak you want the list pruned down, I can take them off - Abbeybufo (talk) • (contribs) 14:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rose Kerr

Nice job on Rose Kerr. --Erp 23:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Kingbird 16:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting in Hawaii

What wonderful information! Thank you! Chris 21:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Camp standards

I think I see the confusion. I marked the current and proposed sections for clarity. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll pop along in a few minutes and see where the discussion has got to. Kingbird 17:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scout Association of Malawi

Thank you for updating the membership stats, where do those come from? Also, you haven't by chance seen a new emblem for them, have you? :) Chris 21:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chris, the Scout Association of Malawi is in the news here. I'm afraid there's no emblem, but you might get lucky in the next few weeks if the hand-over of a Malawian camp site from the Scout Association to the Malawian Scouts is reported in the Scouting press. Kingbird 16:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muslims Scouts

You have red links in your muslim scout bit.Rlevse 21:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm just fixing up a new article for the International Union of Muslim Scouts, as I can't find an existing article. The French organisation will be a bit more difficult as my French is rather rusty! I'll see what I can do. Kingbird 21:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Be sure to list them under new articles on the project page.Rlevse 22:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BGIFC move

You'll want to post this at Wikipedia:Requested moves and follow the guidelines there. Generally Wikipedia dislikes acronyms in article titles, (which is why I moved it in the first place) but there are exceptions. I'm not married to either title, I just did it as per WP:MoS, so I support whichever. Your friend in Scouting, (and grateful for the blanks you fill in-I too am trying to flesh out the GGGS end of the spectrum as I can) Chris 01:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Chris. This whole rename business is new to me and terrifies me! Kingbird 01:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

If it's a simple no-questions move from now on, let me know and I, as an admin, can move them without the request hassle. Rlevse 01:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] great start!

Articles are also needed on:

• Caribbean Scout Jamboree
• Caribbean Link

You have a great weekend! Chris 01:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Chris. I don't like creating stubs, but there's not a lot information I can lay my hands on at the moment about the Caribbean Cuborees. Hopefully, there's someone out there who will add to it, now that the article's there. Kingbird 18:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GSUSA

Girl Scouts of the USA will be on the Main Page 29 Oct. get ready for the vandalism-;) Rlevse 12:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Girl Guides of Canada

What’s your take on this?

[2]

see help desk entry too. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Probably just an inexperienced editor. As the Help Desk posts have covered the technical points and it's been more than a day since she posted there, I don't think I can add much. I'll drop her a friendly note on her talk page and see if she's still willing to make edits. Thank you for drawing this to my attention! Kingbird (talk) 05:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Holidays

[edit] Scouting WikiProject in the Signpost

We'll be in the Signpost on Wednesday, 2 Jan about 17:00 UTC, someone noticed us, be sure to read it, many of us get it, read it on my talk page if you like. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move

YOu may want to post this move request on WP:SCOUT in the moves or talk section. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I have made some recommendations on this over at WT:SCOUT. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 16:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Returning

After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you're back and sorry that you went through such an unpleasant experience. Kingbird (talk) 05:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kudos

See "Portal candidates help" on WP:SCOUT talk page. Thanks for all your helpl. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning me. I enjoy reading the international Scouting and Guiding news and contributing to the column. I can get disheartened when I see so few people contributing to the portal, and I hope more will come forward as a result of your remarks. Kingbird (talk) 06:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

We might want to define the scope of the Scouting news page so editors will understand the type of stuff we are looking for. Here are a couple of possibilities:

• http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/31/nscout131.xml
• http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/412480.html

--— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 00:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it's taken me a little while to get back to you. I know what criteria I use to select stories, should I say something on the news talk page?. It's not foolproof, but I haven't received any complaints. I have no idea if this is because very few people read the column, whether they are glad someone is doing it and don't want to frighten me off by making criticisms, or if I'm getting it right most of the time. (Treat that as rhetorical if you like.) As there are very few other contributions, I tend not to object to them even if I wouldn't have included them myself. I have my own biases, I know. Kingbird (talk) 21:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I would certainly be interested in your insight here. Just found another potential source: http://www.scoutingnews.org/ --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 22:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll jot some thoughts down, but they might not appear today! Thank you for your encouragement. Kingbird (talk) 19:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New information on Imam al-Mahdi Scouts

Would you chime in at the talkpage? A user is accusing us of not enough POV, we've worked very hard to keep it neutral. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry I wasn't able to help out at the time. Kingbird (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Mewnews has now challenged a sentence I wrote. I've tried to explain how the situation arose. I'm not convinced that what I contributed was wrong. I wish I could be more succinct, but I've done what I can. Kingbird (talk) 05:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Kingbird you did a fine job, and it's not original research if you extract it from different sources. No need to apologize to Mewnews, don't feed the trolls. No amount of reason gets through to some. The article adequately portrays both viewpoints, Mewnews just wants to be contentious at this point. You've made the article better and we are thankful for you!Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article structure

This debate is on about 3 different pages, see Talk:Boy_Scout#DAB_war for one and chime it. It should be consolidated in one spot. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I wish I'd never opened my big mouth! Kingbird (talk) 21:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

BDuke and I were headed in the same direction you were. This does need to be worked out. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 21:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Betty Clay

This is a good article to work on. It needs attention and I picked it for the Bio of the Month for April. Can't be many that have both the Bronze Wolf and the Silver Fish. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Good choice and, yes, it does need work. I'll see if I can add some more, but not this week. Kingbird (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)