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Please be patient while I merge some other sections of aSoIaF articles into here. I plan on greatly expanding this article in the future and would greatly appreciate any help/corrections! NeoFreak 22:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you changed "Jaime" back to "Jamie" several times. "Jaime" is in fact the proper spelling. Brendan Moody 23:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

My mistake. My understanding is that the Amoka pics are good to go as long as they are not the art work he was commissioned to do for a company, so his non-commercial portraits are good, correct? NeoFreak 00:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Correct. Brendan Moody 00:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

While that is correct, it does not give you permission to license it under GFDL, which I can see you did. That license means that everybody can now use Amok's image, even for commercial use, and I am not sure he is ok with that. He has not waved his copyright goodbye, has he? And putting it on Wikipedia means just that: good-bye to your copyright. (Because all Wikipedia content is more-or-less public domain at the moment you include it.)I had a long look at the different licenses, and I think there was a "Fair use for page XXX" or something like that. I believe that applies. What we really need is somebody who (1) understands all this licensing stuff, (2) explains it to Amok, (3) gets him to agree with it. What we are currently doing—interpreting Amok's general messages about using his artwork on individual people's non-commercial private websites in a much wider context—is not so good. Arbor 06:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that all his non-commisioned work was good under a GDFL. By using his art to promomte aSoIaF that pretty much is commercial use. Also I was pretty sure that Sandor was the only non-knight raised to the white but I don't have a citation for that onhand and your change is just as good so I have no problems, it makes the same point. As far as Sandor being "presumed dead" the author suggests to the reader that he is infact dead and Rorge (or Biter?) was revealed to be using his helm, regardless of what the citizens of Westeros think. I'm going to consider changing it back on that point. Thoughts? NeoFreak 07:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

(1) The GDFL decision is Amok's to make. If he has agreed, then we are home free. We need a reference for that, though. (2) Ser Duncan the Tall was not knighted either, as far as we know. Westerosi do not know that, so you could put something like "only kingsguard known not to be an anointed knight" or something in there. (3) The question is what "presumed" means. Presumed by whom? Many Westerosi think he is alive, and an outlaw. Many readers think he died from his wounds. I am sure he is alive. Arbor 08:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Ausir reported that Amok had allowed the inclusion of his images (actually, Ausir mentions only portraits) at a reduced resolution under the GDFL, so he would be a good one to ask about a citation. Brendan Moody 08:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I guess I'll just have to stand by on the Amoka thing. As far as Sandor goes all of this should be written from the view of the reader (writing encyclopedic entries for fake people diesn;t make any sense) and the implication from the author to the reader is that Sandor is dead. I think he's alive too but that falls under speculation, like R+L=J another thing I happen to believe but is still not cannon, yet. Therefore I think presumed dead would work but if you can think of a better wording thats great. NeoFreak 08:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
the implication from the author to the reader is that Sandor is dead. Nah. I don't agree. I think GRRM has waved a huge banner with Hey, this is actually Sandor! around for most of a chapter. I cannot see a valid way for us to make any claims about this one way or the other. Arbor 11:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Well I really disagree about the idea he was trying to convey (while leaving himself an out) but it's not really not that significant of an issue I suppose. NeoFreak 16:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image links

The links to Amok's site in the picture blurbs need to be fixed, but I can't seem to fix them myself.Captain Crawdad 22:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed 'em. Brendan Moody 04:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

I reverted the recent slew of edits by Cybroleach as they added nothing to the article (with the exception of the Blout addition and one internal link which I'll put back) and were filled with typos and misspellings. To correct the edits would have pretty much just removed the material anyway. I'm not sure on the "Brothers" edits and even if they do refer to themselves as brothers I don't think anyone else does. Thoughts on revert? NeoFreak 00:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I support it. Any salvageable info can be added into the more or less clean slate of the original article. Also, I agree that the members of the Kingsguard shouldn't be called "Brothers" in this article. -Captain Crawdad 09:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Well that is their technical name given in ASOIAF but whatever.--Cybroleach 21:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loras + Renly

Calling Loras the 'lover' of Renly is blind speculation. I removed it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.182.211.71 (talk • contribs).

No, it was confirmed by the author here. I've restored the label. Brendan Moody 18:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)