Talk:Kings of Kvenland

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[edit] Another missing Kven king source added: Faravid

In 1230 - 1240 AD, in Egils saga - presumably by Snorri Sturluson (1179-1241 A.D.) - discusses Faravid, the King of Kvenland (source: KVENLAND / KAINUUNMAA, 1986, page 73 - includes a picture of an old manuscript - Professor Emeritus Kyösti Julku).

- - Steve Wondering 11:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yet another missing Kven king source added: Fornjótr

In 1230 AD, in the introduction to the Orkneyinga Saga, Fundinn Noregr discusses Fornjótr, the King of Finland and Kvenland and the conquest of Norway by his son, Nórr (source: KVENLAND / KAINUUNMAA, 1986, page 61 - includes the Icelandic and Finnish spellings of the original text -, Professor Emeritus Kyösti Julku).

Based on the information given in this saga, the ruling families of Sweden, Norway, the Orkney Islands, Normandy, and England descend from these Finnish and/or Kven kings.

In contrary to what the user Drieakko claims, there is no mentioning about Gotland in this context. The text is very clear and quite easily readable and understandable to all Scandinavians, and in particular to those who can understand the modern-day Icelandic language.

- - Steve Wondering 11:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

You can see Gotland clearly mentioned by both Hversu and Orkneyinga, just open the references at the end of the article. I am aware that some Finnish translations have "cleaned" Gotland away to build up believable royal Kvenland mythologies. See English translations here and here. --Drieakko 15:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Also note that the sagas do not say or even hint to the direction that kings mentioned in them would have been Kvens, with the probable exception of Faravid. --Drieakko 15:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Both sagas in original Old Icelandic here. Gotland clearly mentioned:

"Fornjótr hefir konungr heitit. Hann réð fyrir Gotlandi, er kallat er Finnland ok Kvenland."

"Þorri var konungr ágætr. Hann réð fyrir Gotlandi, Kænlandi ok Finnlandi." --Drieakko 18:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow, this is getting heavy. Professor Emeritus Kyösti Julku has actually manipulated his sources??!! Shame on him. Downright disgusting. 217.112.242.181 19:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a version of Orkneyinga saga around by an unknown scribe that has already polished the confusing "Gotland" away from the text. Julku has just selected that version for his own publication, not mentioning that it is not the commonly accepted original. All versions of Hversu mention Gotland, though. Julku conveniently leaves Hversu out of his book. --Drieakko 19:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)