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[edit] Maleficent

The fact that one of the worlds is modeled after Sleeping Beauty hints that Maleficent is involved in the game. Fractyl 04:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Your personal speculation is not confirmed fact. Stop adding it to articles. ' 04:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
In regard to content about Maleficent. I think the misunderstanding here is we may have different definitions of speculation. You saw a world for Sleeping Beauty, and made the obvious conclusion that Maleficent would be there. You're probably right, she may show up. But the readers of the article don't know that because there's no source that specifically states that right now. Because of that, Wikipedia deems that as speculation and original research, and that is the definition we have to follow. I'm sure all will be revealed down the road. We'll add in what we can as it becomes available; there's no real rush to fill this article with content. To be honest, I'm surprised at the amount that's in here considering the games was announced only two weeks ago. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

^Owned. Anyways, shouldn't we add some screenshots or something here. It ought to give the page more life, y'know? Famitsu recently put up pretty decent quality screens. One depicting gameplay for example is a must. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 06:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thing is, Nomura said that he already redid the battle system from the one in the trailer. ' 06:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Then a cutscene screenshot should do fine, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 12:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Let's not jump the gun. There's no real need for an image right now. Besides, there will be plenty of screen shots the closer it gets to the release date. Also please be sure to sign your comments with ~~~~ per WP:SIG (Guyinblack25 talk 12:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Speaking of which, I read an interview with Nomura on www.khinsider.com where he states that the game will consist only of Disney Worlds. How come that's been deleted again, after it was cited? Jienum 13:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
It's in there, under the "Plot" section, the last sentence. (Guyinblack25 talk 13:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

Now wait, something doesn't make sense; screenshots revealed Terra and Ven in Radiant Garden; also, whats the deal with the "Gathering Place"; surely neither of those Disney worlds...o.O something is contradicting something else or other here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Good point. But then again, those screenshots could be flashbacks or cutscenes and unplayable, like Destiny Islands was on KH2. Jienum 14:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proper sourcing

To all editors that would like to add new information about the new game, please be sure to add proper citation along with your new content. Simply stating in the edit summary or in the sentence that it was in a recent or new magazine is only part of the information needed for proper sourcing. Additional information required is the name of the magazine, the issue #, and the publication date. In addition to that, other information that would be nice to have is the name of the article or section in the magazine, the page #s, and/or the name of the article writer. There are two reasons behind this.

  1. Proper sourcing and citation add credibility to the information and lets the uninformed reader know the information is factual and reliable.
  2. It also is required to make it to Good Article and Featured Article, which several of us would like to see in order to add the new games into the Kingdom Hearts Featured Topic. Without these articles at a level of quality of at least Good Article some time after they're released, the topic will be delisted.

The extra information is appreciated and we hope more is found, but without proper sourcing, we can't really have it in the article per WP:CITE. (Guyinblack25 talk 13:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Release date

As stupid as it sounds, there have not been releases announced for any territories other than Japan. Will it probably get released here? I'm willing to bet yes. But until it's announced that it will be released in North American and Europe, putting that up is technically speculation. (Guyinblack25 talk 02:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

I agree, but, to be honest the only game confirmed to be released outside of Japan is oddly enough Coded, and even that is still "planning on." I say we stick to Japanese releases so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

This game has been annouced for Japan only but no official release date has been released though chances of an EU,NA, and AU release are very high users should not put up speculations of it coming to these territories.-Metalocalypse —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalocalypse (talk • contribs) 15:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GameSpot

Sorry to say this, but it needs to be cleared up: GameSpot, IGN, EGM, etc, NONE of those are reliable sources when it comes to international releases and exports to other regions, mainly because their "confirmations" are either speculation or wishful thinking. If it helps, these 4 are the most reliable sources we can use regarding any new news of releases: SquareEnix themselves; Famitsu; V-Jump; Gamaga. So lets stop this nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Why would Famitsu, V-Jump, and Gamaga concern themselves with foreign releases and why are they somehow more reliable than other sources? "LOL JAPAN" is not an answer. ' 03:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
What Apostrophe said is true. The japanese public really doesn't care about what games are released outside of Japan, so japanese magazines really wouldn't concern themselves with such. So the only really reliable source you mentioned is SE themselves.HadesDragon 03:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Precisely, meaning, if its not coming directly out of Square Enix, its not reliable. I've worked at over 6 different information/news-based sites, so I if were you, I'd at least consider the fact that I know what I'm talking about based on prior experience. What most sites and gaming magazines state is nothing but speculation. Here is an example: how many of your "credible" sites and gaming mags stated cold hard facts that Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ IS TOTALLY, absolutely coming to the states? They even went as far as putting up release dates... Now, how much of it was true? Now, I realize Final Mix is a cheap example, and if you're still not convinced, I'll be more than happy to bring up further facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Meh, I'm really quite indifferent as to whether the mention of the possibility of an overseas release is up or not. I suppose an official confirmation from SE would be ideal. That's a good point about FM+ though, I was about to mention that.
In any case: I really don't know what to do about that. I'll let you discuss that with the other wikipedians, and whatever consensus you come to, I'm game.HadesDragon 21:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, I know you mean well and that you're trying to help improve the article, however you are disregarding the guidelines and rules of Wikipedia. By asserting your position and then acting before others respond, you're bypassing the whole purpose of talk pages and the cooperative nature of an open wiki. You may be an authority were you come from, but on wikipedia we're all equal and no one person's decision has the authority to override another's. GameSpot and several other gaming website are considered reliable sources by the Video games Project according to Portal:Video_games/Sources. Other editors are trying to discuss this with you instead of having an edit war with you. If you feel the sources we're using are not valid, then take it up with Video game Project at their talk page. If you continue to delete content and references in this fashion, it can and probably will be construed as vandalism which could lead to your IP address being temporary blocked. You don't want that, and neither do we. If you want to debate this, let's debate it, but please stop deleting the content. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC))
I do believe that the top of the article declares two important things. One, "The content may change substantially as more information becomes available", and two, "cite a published source for details". While the statement that the game will be released in countries apart from Japan is not 100% confirmed, a published source has been confirmed. And as Guyinblack25 has said, the VG project has considered GameSpot a reliable source. The sentence should be left as it is until a time that "more information becomes available". --kenobi.zero 13:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Then I guess its time you all revise the VG Project statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you go talk to them about it at their talk page, then? Start up a discussion, and see what develops. If you win, we'll stick with the japanese releases. If not, then the overseas release thing will still be mentioned.(talk)HadesDragon 19:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC).

You DO realize you're defending a source that is well know for their lack of knowing anything, and infamy of talking bullshit and making things up... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 01:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Please direct such questions to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. (Guyinblack25 talk 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
Well, it's not really so much as defending it as it is following the rules and guidelines established by Wikipedia. The project lists GS as a realible source. So we can use it. Obviously I'm with you on the fact that sites are often untrustworthy, but even so, we can't just do whatever we want. We have rules to abide by.HadesDragon 02:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Gamespot is a reliable source however it is the same as Gamefaqs so if any info from Gamefaqs is found list it as Gamespot as they are the same. However do not post information that Square has not yet confirmed to stop speculations.-Metalocalypse —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalocalypse (talk • contribs) 15:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Majority of the things Gamespot doesn't know, but wants to know, they simply make up. Thats how they are; thus unreliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.35.2 (talk) 00:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Takes place "entirely" in Disney-themed worlds...?

How can that be, when we've already got screenshots of the characters in non-Disney-themed worlds, like Radiant Garden and Destiny Islands? I'm willing to bet it's the result of a mistranslation... WtW-Suzaku (talk) 05:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Besides, I doubt the "Gathering Place" is also a "Disney-themed" world. =_= —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 00:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That is just a rumour to be honest. --Omegace (talk) 07:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Teaser Trailer

I believe the link to the teaser trailer should stay. 99.243.182.145 (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

No. It violates copyright since it links to a teaser trailer uploaded in YouTube. Also, under WP:EL#Links to be avoided include "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." — Blue。 20:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
As the user above said. SG2090 (talk) 20:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

Since Famitsu put up HQ screen shots of the latest development stage of the game, I think its safe to say the article could use one or two of them, no?

We should flesh out the article first before adding fair-use images. Screenshots are better utilized if it adds information instead of being decorative. — Blue。 03:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

About the screenshot on the birth by sleep page. Some imbecile said it was wonderland but it doesn't look like wonderland it looks more like snow white's world to me with a cottage in the background. Better wait til the comfirmation. --Omegace (talk) 08:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Worlds?

I am not sure what worlds are in Kingdom hearts birth by sleep along with 358/2 days. Theres been reports and screenshots about the worlds but I think they are rumours. --Omegace (talk) 21:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

There are a couple new and old worlds that have been featured in screen shots, but there has been no word about what will be playable or just featured in scenes. For now there is very little plot and gameplay info from the press, so most of it is speculation right now. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC))