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[edit] Name

it might be worth mentioning that like.. its name is most likely a misromanized form of 'king hydra' hydra being said like hidra and king having a gu at the end (it sometimes does and sometimes doesnt) and thus coming out as like kin ghidra. i can't make this any more coherent, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.38.130 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Move

I'm thinking that it would be best to move the "King Ghidorah" page to "Ghidorah". As-is the article describes all of the creatures that go by the name "Ghidorah" not just the ones named "King" Ghidorah.--Marhawkman 17:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I agree with you, that Ghidorah should be the name of the article because, like you said, all the monsters in this article are Ghidorah "species"--4444hhhh (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

As with Godzilla, it seems more appropriate to discuss all the various incarnations of Ghidrah in one place, to facilitate comparisons and ease reading, hence the proposed merge from Death Ghidorah.—Crazillatalk|contribs 18:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. In the third Mothra film, its implied that Death Ghidorah was crated from the severed tail of Grand Ghidorah anyway. So its only logical to merge the two. SMegatron 18:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess it's a good idea to merge the articles. It should be noted though that the various versions aren't neccessarily the same creature. SOME are, but various others have been either a seperate species(the Ghidorah that became MechaGhidorah), or as with the Godzillas a different member of Ghidorah's species(Monster X, and possibly Monster 0) The Ghidorah/s in Mothra spent it's time on Earth. The one in the first two Godzilla appearances was stated to have lived on MARS until it had finished devastating the planet.--Marhawkman 02:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

THey shouldn't be merged. Desighdidorah isn't(techniqually) isn't a Ghidorah. He is named Desighdiraoh because he has three heads. Plus, Toho also stated that Desighidorah isn't a Ghdidorah. Thats straight from the horse's mouth too.- SuperSaiyan4Godzilla

Yes, SuperSaiyan4Godzilla is right. Desghidorah (a.k.a. Death Ghidorah) and King Ghidorah are two different monsters. Plus, the films only hinted at Desghidorah being the regenerated Ghidorah tail. According to Toho Kingdom, a very reliable site, Grand King Ghidorah from Rebirth of Mothra III was the creature created from the severed tail. - JohnVMaster

Where did the Death Ghidorah page go? I can't find it. "Death Ghidorah" redirects to "King Ghidorah". "Desghidorah" and "Des Ghidorah" produce no results.--Marhawkman 04:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It has been removed in favor of a redirect (not by me!), but the latest version of the full article is there for anyone to restore. Being unfamiliar with the Mothra Trilogy, i'll leave it to others to decide. I'd still argue that one article is enough to incorporate every incaranation of Ghidrah from all the films; of course they're not all the same creature (consider the 1964 space dragon and the 1991 genetically engineered pet), but they're all variations on the same concept. —Crazillatalk|contribs 16:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

hmm... I'd merge them but for now I just restored the Death Ghidorah page. the history needs rewritten. --Marhawkman 22:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

History updated for Death Ghidorah. I think I'll later merge them with the explanation that even though it's not really a variation of KING Ghidorah, it is A Ghidorah. hmm.... I'll see about renaming the page to "Ghidorah" and have "King Ghidorah" redirect to it. --Marhawkman 06:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay I swapped the Ghidorah and King Ghidorah pages. For my next trick I will rewrite the Ghidorah page to reflect that it's about all the Toho Kaiju that share the name.

Apparently I can't switch the name of the pages, I need to wait until an admin deletes the Ghidorah redirect page.--Marhawkman 02:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe the name of the article should be either "Ghidorah" or stay the same, and that the articles discussing Death Ghidorah, Monster X and Keizer Ghidorah should be merged with it, since it seems that the articles are talking about (almost) the same creature entirely. This article could explain the different incarnations of King Ghidorah.

[edit] Mind control correction

It's stated that Ghidorah only acts on his own in at most only two movies. This is very incorrect. In his first appearance, "Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster" he was under no mind control, unless you consider him to be under the control of the Xillians from Invasion of Astro-Monster, though I don't think they every flat-out said "we've been under control of Ghidorah this whole time."

Also, during Godzilla Vs. Gigan, after the Godzilla tower was destroyed, he was no longer under mind control. Also, he was under no control after Godzilla destroyed the Time Ship in Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah.

In GMK, he's under no control at all, same with Rebirth of Mothra 3.

Finally, to be honest, I'm not sure the line "It is also one of the daikaiju most susceptible to mind control" is really accurate. I don't think it's because he's the most susceptable, rather because he's one of the most powerful that aliens continually use him. This could be me being anal though.24.19.62.17 03:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

A counter point to this is that aliens have never succeeded at doing so with Godzilla or Mothra. Most susceptible may be an exagerration since it's not said that all kaiju were subjected to as many attempts. While most of them aren't as powerful, it would stand to reason that if they could aliens wouldn't stick with just Ghidorah.

It might be more realistic to say Ghidorah is most accessible, since it typically flies off into space after it's battles. --Marhawkman 02:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually the Kilaks in "Destroy All Monsters" did succeed in controling Godzilla. They also controled, Mothra (larva), Baragon (though he only makes cameo appearances because the suit was to badly damaged when it was being used in the Ultraman series), Manda, Rodan, Varan(?), Kumunga, Gorosaurus and you guessed it, Ghidorah again.

[edit] Godzilla Becomes Guardian Monster

The last sentence of the 1st paragraph of "Millenium Era" states: "During the battle the 3 guardian Monsters' energy fused into Godzilla making him a guardian monster himself." Is this accurate? I don't remember that being the case at the end of GMK. The Shrike 16:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. I think all they did was drag him underwater so he wouldn't continue his attack on the city. If he really had become a Guardian Monster, I doubt he would have charged up his beam for an attack on those two humans, and it's possible his eyes would have lost their "souless" look. I'm glad you brought this up, as it's something that bugged me to.24.19.62.17 20:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I thought that when the Big G was infused with the power of the Guardians, they stunned him long enough for the General to burrow out of Godzilla's shoulders

I thought it just freed the restless souls fueling Godzilla. The whole movie is just really confusing with scenes that don't make sense, but we can sure guess all we'd like. But no Godzilla didn't become a guardian monster.

[edit] Godzilla: Domination

In the GBA game "Godzilla: Domination", Ghidorah appears as a playable character, and also as the final boss of story mode, as Mecha-King Ghidorah. In this game, Ghidorah has a sonic attack in midair (R+A+B) and is much smaller than Mecha-King Ghidorah. Approx. Sizes:

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                               |           Mecha-King Ghidorah's     |
                               |     body might fit in here (but not |
                               |   all three heads)                  |
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         _____________         |                                     |
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        |  Ghidorah   |        |                                     |
        |  would fit  |        |                                     |
        |   in here   |        |                                     |
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        |_____________|        |_____________________________________|

Also the ending says something about Mecha-King Ghidorah being legendary...? Oh yeah, the plot of Godzilla: Domination says that Mecha-King Ghidorah is using magnetic waves to make all but one (the player) of the monsters Godzilla, King Ghidorah, Mechagodzilla, Mothra, and Rodan go even more destructive than normal.

The video games don't have anything to do with the movies. And often the movies don't have anything to do with each other. Now here's the thing we know Ghidorah and his Mechanized counterpart were the same creature and yet you can have both fight each other in Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee for the Game Cube. As with MKG being legendary, where as he might not be ancient myth he is legendary in his own right (Modern mythology). I've even heard Godzilla refered to as legendary, I wouldn't worry about it. Now I've watched the movies again and again and Ghidorah when encassed in his meteorite is magnetic (or can be). However it seems as though this fact is only put into use with the first Ghidorah (from the 1970's). The game designers probably just took this ability and stuck it to Ghidorah regardless of the films. In the game Mecha-King Ghidorah's orgin is completely changed so that they can have a plot featuring the beast. As for the sudden change in size... It makes the last level more dramatic.

I think it makes more sense that the creators of the game made their own continuity, and doesn't necessarily have to follow any of the movies. So, Mecha-King Ghidorah may have been created long ago by an unknown alien race and travelled through space, causing the monsters of different planets to cause chaos. As for how the people of Earth found out about him, your guess is as good as mine.

Maybe the Ghidorahs in recent video games are Millenium series Ghidorah, since Mecha-K G was in heisei, while another Ghidorah appears in the Millenium continuity in Mothra, Ghidorah, and Godzilla. However, I heard that the designer in that movie put Varan's face on the heads, and Ghidorahs face looks ghidorah-ish in the games .

[edit] Shouldn't Keizer Ghidiorah Be With The Monster-X Page

I've notice that the page on King Ghidorah has a section talking about Keizer Ghidorah. However, I feel that it would be best if the information on Keizer (Or Keiser...whichever you prefer) is more appropriate for the Monster X article. This is because, while Keizer Ghidorah does have the name "Ghidorah" in it, it's not the same monster as King Ghidorah. Also, Keizer Ghidorah and Monster X are basically the same monster...just with two different forms. I mean, I don't see any articles that seperate Mothra Larva from Adult Mothra (Imago Mothra) or Baby Godzilla from Godzilla Junior.206.176.97.195 18:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

It's there because monster X doesn't resemble Ghidorah at all. It later metamorphoses into Kaiser Ghidorah. But it's apparently a Larval form or something similar.--Marhawkman 02:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but Mothra's larva form looks nothing like her adult form and Orga's first-form (Which I believe is called Millenniun or something like that)looks nothing like the adult-Orga....and yet I don't see seperate pages for Mothra's larva form or Orga's first-form.206.176.97.195 19:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

Dude, that's wacked out, it's like saying that godzilla isn't a dinosaur Pikazilla 21:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

well, Godzilla isnt a dinosaur, hes a mutated igauna--- oooh, the japanese godzilla. welp, you just ruined my fantasies. but back on topic people! I believe the bread ghidorah(the reason for the nickname is because I saw "Kaiser" on a bread container.) should be merged with the monster X. they are the same, as monster X was even seen changing into him. - Hyuuga-sama 15:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama and also, I think we should include an image, people would want to know exactly what he looks like. I would upload a picture but I dont have any images of him, and I rely on this site for images, and it doesnt have one so, Im leaving it up to you.

[edit] Death Ghidorah

Death Ghidorah arrived on Earth as Death Ghidorah. It is not in any way related to Cretaceous Ghidorah or Grand King Ghidorah. --Marhawkman 02:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC) For further clarification... Cretaceous Ghidorah arrives on Earth, gets incinerated(except its tail), the tail then becomes Grand King Ghidorah. Death Ghidorah arrived on Earth as Death Ghidorah.--Marhawkman 23:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing categorization

Apparently somebody put King Ghidorah in the fictional Kings category. Where exactly does King Ghidorah rule over? Seems to me somebody put that in without knowing anything about the character. "King" in King Ghidorah's name doesn't really mean he is one. It's just apart of his name. If "King of Terror" actually meant something other then a nickname like "King of the Monsters" for Godzilla. Then it actually might make since. Otherwise, I don't see how. --Apelinq

  • This creature rules over absolutely nothing...... It's confusion based on the fact that it has "king" in it's name. I'm gonna go whack that now.....--Marhawkman 06:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

King ghidorah is the king of himself. there ya go, hes a king.

that would be like adding elvis presley and Albert Einstein to the category.--Marhawkman 22:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Showa Continuity Flub

I noticed this part in the Showa timeline section:

"While generally accepted as a victory for Godzilla and Rodan, some have argued that Ghidorah actually won the encounter and left of his own accord, maybe because he was too injured to continue attacking Earth. Some have looked to the fact that in the next film Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster, Godzilla is found on an island supposedly dead but others fans say that Godzilla is recovering or sleeping."

This is an incorrect statement from the fact that "Monster Zero" is supposed to take place in 198X, not during the 1960's like the other films (including "Godzilla vs the Sea Monster") do. Chronologically, "Godzilla vs the Sea Monster" would come after "Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster", not "Monster Zero".

I know that a lot of Ghidorah fans like to use this support, that the characters wonder if Godzilla is still alive during "Godzilla vs the Sea Monster" as evidence for them that King Ghidorah won in "Monster Zero", but the fact is, the two films don't go back to back chronologically. And in case anyone thinks I'm wrong, watch the Japanese version of "Monster Zero", a message appears right after the opening credits stating that the film takes place in "198X". Just thought I'd point this out.

I suppose it should be pointed out that there is no well defined "continuity".--Marhawkman 19:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] proposed merge

I don't know how there is a seperate page for MechaGhidorah, but it sould be merged.--Marhawkman 00:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

That's why I put the tag there in the first place, that other page is just unnecessary. There is also a Death Ghidorah page somebody made that should be merged into this one too. --[[User:Apeling]

[edit] New edit

I'm not sure about this edit. Was the ray used in "Godzilla vs Monster X" or "Invasion of Astro-Monster"? Xiner (talk, email) 20:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Question Re: English Name

Isn't it inconsistent to insist on 'King Ghidorah'? Shouldn't it either be 'King Ghidra' or 'Kingu Ghidorah'? Axamoto 14:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Toho calls it King Ghidorah.... So except for the part explaining the Japanese name we use King Ghidorah.--Marhawkman 14:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorting out names and alternate forms

This is quite a challenge actually; from what I gather it seems that Kaiser Ghidorah is oficially Monster X II, so Monster X may actually be a larval King Ghidorah. I am not sure if it is appropriate to treat "King" Ghidorah as synonimous with "Kaiser" Ghidorah (apparently not). Then we have Death Ghidorah, Dorats, Grand King Ghidorah and, it seems, we shold treat Grand Ghidorah (a more literal translation of the Japanese) as an alias to Grand King Ghidorah. And as a further complication, King Ghidorah has been featured in what may easily be alternate timelines in shows such as Zone Fighter's, and he is also depicted in a somewhat inconsistente manner in various films even in the official continuity. It will take some effort to streamline that mess. Luis Dantas 10:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... It's why the history is broken up into severeal peices. There are literally around a half-dozen Kaiju named Ghidorah. One thing to note is that we don't have an oficial name for Grand King Ghidorah. Rebirth of Mothra3 hasn't been dubbed yet.--Marhawkman 10:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

This is the best compilation I could manage so far (in mixed chronological/thematic order):

  • 1964 - Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (Regular Ghidorah)
  • 1965 - Invasion:All-Monsters Attack (Mind-controlled by Xillians, Regular Ghidorah, named King and Monster Zero)
  • 1968 - Destroy All Monsters (In 1999, King Ghidorah, controlled by Kilaaks, dies)
  • 1972 - Godzilla vs Gigan (controlled by Nebula M Spacehunters)
  • 1973 - Zone Fighter episodes 5 and 6
  • 1991 - Godzilla vs King Ghidorah (Dorats, recreated KG, Mecha KG, in 1944, 1991 and 2204, defeated but not slain in 1991, revived in 2204 and returned to 1991 in Mecha form to die again)
  • 2001 - Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: All Monsters All-Out Attack - Regular (weak yet heroic) Ghidorah, King Ghidorah (new origin, Mothra-powered)
  • 2004 - Final Wars - Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah
  • 1996 - Rebirth of Mothra - Desghidorah / Death Ghidorah (in prehistory and 1997)
  • 1998 - Rebirth of Mothra III - Cretaceous King Ghidorah (in prehistory) and Grand (King) Ghidorah in 1998 (grown from the surviving tail of prehistoric CKG). Dies twice.

Luis Dantas 21:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


Looks good to me. But King Ghidorah doesn't really die in "Godzilla vs King Ghidorah". It's critically wounded and falls into a comatose state. It's mentioned in the movie that creating MechaGhidorah required it to have survived it's decaptitation. I guess having three heads is good for something. :p--Marhawkman 22:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right, thanks. I have fixed the text above to reflect that.

So strictly speaking we've met someway or another

  • 1964's (King) Ghidorah. To the best of my (flawed) knowledge there is no different when called King Ghidorah than when called simply Ghidorah.
    • Was mind-controlled by Xillians in 1965 when he went through the alias of "Monster Zero".]
    • Was/"will be" mind-controlled again, this time by Kilaaks, in 1999 and die at that time.
    • Was mind-controlled by the Nebula Spacehunters in 1972.
  • The 1973 version, supposedly created by the Garoga Aliens of the Zone Fighter series.
  • The 1991 KG, apparently from a distinct continuity from the previous versions, created and controlled by Futurians.
    • Mecha KG and - if you want to really reach - the Heisei era Mechagodzilla.
    • Also, you may or may not want to count the Dorats and the 2204 defeated/reconstructed KG as separate appearances (I do not).
  • The 2001 version of Ghidorah, with yet another origin (the fourth so far!) and supposedly capable of growing a total of eight simultaneous heads if he lives far enough.
    • This version only becomes King Ghidorah after being augmented with Mothra's life energy, it seems.
  • 2004's Keiser Ghidorah aka Monster X II.

That makes five "basic" Ghidorahs if I am not mistaken (I probably am), each with its own origin.

Also, the versions from the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, which are distinct from all the previous versions even if we consider them to be part of any other continuity:

  • Desghidorah / Death Ghidorah (in two time periods)
  • Creataceous King Ghidorah in prehistory
    • Grand King Ghidorah may be considered a separate monster, though I am not convinced that he should.

Wow. Seven distinct Ghidorahs at a minimum, albeit in an even greater number of continuities (at least three) and time periods. Luis Dantas 09:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Zone fighter was odd. It appeared to be the Showa Ghidorah, but in Zone fighter some idiot group of aliens claimed to have created it. Interestingly Ghidorah doesn't die in Zone fighter, unlike the majority of monsters beaten by the titular hero.--Marhawkman 10:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghidorah a terrorist?

Okay, this has gone on long enough. Will whoever keeps insinuating Ghidorah is a terrorist speak up now and explain his case?129.12.230.169 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

  • one of Ghidorah's nicknames was "King of Terror". That's the only origin I can think of.--Marhawkman 21:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A lot of elitism in the article

Seriously...eiga and movie is the same thing as is kaiju and creature. At least give an explanation of what these terms mean and don't act like the general populace that doesn't know Japanese would know these things. That is just elitism.Neoyamaneko 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That's why we use wikilinks.--Marhawkman (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright reminder

I reverted a large edit tonight that was a clear copy/paste from http://www.answers.com/topic/king-ghidorah. Please keep an eye on the article, and if this happens again, ask the editor to review WP:COPY, thanks! Ariel♥Gold 02:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CGI

The article says Ghidorah has been portrayed via CGI. Where and when has this been done? In most of the ones I've seen (or seen parts of), he's a suit. Which films are CGI? Scorpionman (talk) 20:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Part of GMK, and monster X's transformation into Kaiser Ghidorah. those did use CGI to render the characte.--Marhawkman (talk) 11:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
In that case, Godzilla's underwater shot in Godzilla 2000, which was CGI, should also be mentioned in his article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorpionman (talk • contribs) 02:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A List?

I think there should be a page of some of the different versions of King Ghidorah. Does anyone agree? --Naruto134 00:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Grand" King Ghidorah

Someone please give a non-Toho Kingdom citation for the name "Grand King Ghidorah". I have the Japanese version of Rebirth of Mothra 3; the character is never referred to as "Grand King Ghidorah" in the film, merely as "King Ghidorah", and the title of the film is "Mothra 3: Invasion of King Ghidorah". From what I can gather, "Grand Ghidorah" or "Grand King Ghidorah" is a fanon term, not the character's real name.

K00bine (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)