Talk:King Apparel

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[edit] must add {{cite web}} to replace URLs for references

This is a reminder to myself to come back and replace the explicit link references with {{cite web}} template for <ref> citations. :-) —68.239.79.82 23:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article has been restored ... again

Please see my Talk page for the history of this article's frequent speedy feletion and recreation ... this on-going experience of Timhoad (talk · contribs), it's author and champion, illustrates some problems with the speedy deletion process that I have addressed in some essays:

  • this sandbox greeting provides an overview of a systemic problem with the speedy delete process
  • this sandbox essay contains a protocol for tagging articles in a way that allows more time to react and lessens ill-feelings during the process
  • this draft protocol is an example using the {{db-inc}} tag for articles that fail WP:Notability (organizations and companies) (WP:CORP)

I've done all the cosmetics I'm willng to do with this NN stub of an article that has been fragged beau coup times already, but the author refuses to MOVE ON ... would Some Other Editor care to take Warn inc for a spin? I'm running out of steam, and after my recent block for overzealous and "uncivil" conduct on new pages patrol, I'd rather remain below the radar of the Senior Partners to the time being. —68.239.79.82  (talk · contribs) 07:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lipstick on a pig

OK, I've made this as pretty as I can ... added beau coup wikilinks, trimmed the WP:VSCA (removed one section entirely), and zapped a "reference" to Just Another Blog.

IMHO, this article still lacks WP:A to satisfy WP:CORP, as indicated by the {{cn}} tags that I have added to assertions like "their recognition as one of the most exciting and innovative" and "are renowned as pioneers" ... statements like those need some Serious WP:RS to back them up.

I'd say CSD-A7, but we've already been down that path, so I'm going to follow the draft protocol for Warn-inc, except that I'll use a {{prod}} instead of a {{db-inc}} in the Third Step. —68.239.79.82 05:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging this article for speedy deletion

Hello ... I encountered this newly created article while performing New Page Patrol or Counter Vandalism Unit activities.

In my opinion it lacks sufficient Attribution to satisfy the Notability criteria for Organizations and Companies ... or perhaps it reads like Vanispmcruftisment, or may it violate Conflict of Interest policy.

The point is that I plan to tag this article with either a speedy delete (A7) or a {{prod}} that explains my concern(s) in detail ... I have created this initial entry on the article's Discussion page in the hope that Administrators and other editors, including the author, Timhoad (talk · contribs), will also comment on their actions here.

Other experienced editors: Please see the protocol defined in What to do if a speedy delete tag is removed and try to keep the speedy delete process from occurring Too Quickly, like when a WikiNewbie creates a "work in progress" stub instead of using their own sandbox first. The important thing to remember about this new paradigm is

Flag it, then tag it, THEN frag it!

In other words, announce your intention to tag (flag the author and Discussion pages first), and have a "time-out" before proceeding with the tag ... and if the tag is removed, either proceed to the next step in the protocol, or else MOVE ON.
Administrators: If you do speedy delete this article, then in the spirit of WP:Please do not bite the newcomers, consider leaving a note on the Talk page for this article's author, Timhoad (talk · contribs) ... explain that you concur with the reasons for the speedy deletion, and have exercised your authority as an Administrator to delete it ... this should shorten the time it takes for the author to appeal for restoration of the article because it was just an unfinished "work in progress," or they neglected to tag it as a WP:STUB.
It would certainly require a little extra time and effort for you, but it may keep Some Other Editor from being blocked for reverting the deletion of tags after an article has been recreated, all because there was no paper trail ... after all, I took the time to start a message thread about this article on their Talk page, so all you have to do is append your own "stencil" message ... this is for that Very Small percentage of cases where a mistake has been made by being Too Hasty in our collective judgment of this article's unworthiness for inclusion in Wikipedia as presented for the first time. :-)

I think we can all agree that Haste is the Dark Side of the Speedy Deletion process, and these draft protocols are designed to "soften the blows" of the "iron fist in the velvet glove" ... for all of the parties involved.

Happy Editing! —68.239.79.82 17:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving on ...

This article has been deleted and restored beau coup times by CSD#A7 and PROD, but since it can't be PRODed a second time (I must have missed that rule in the Fine Print), and I don't have nearly enough interest to take it to AfD, then I guess it's time for me to MOVE ON ... Happy Editing! —68.239.79.82 03:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)