Talk:Kimbo Slice/Archive 1

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Pennsylvania State University

Someone at PSU really enjoys vandalizing Kimbo's article. TigerDigm 19:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Unless there is posted proof, I really doubt he graduated from college. JudgeMana 01:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC) JudgeMana

zomg your such a racist JudgeMana. That was a joke. Yeah I doubt a college graduate would have to resort to street fighting and bodyguard work to pay the bills.--M8v2 17:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cull

Vandalism aside, this article has major issues. I would propose a fairly hefty cull. In my opinion there is no need to go into so much detail on what is a barely notable subject. The lengthy fight descriptions partiuularly need to go. Plus almost all of it is unverifiable, most sources (including my own I admit) are from Interest message boards. Any thoughts? Stu ’Bout ye! 18:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I know the article is speculation, and not very well formatted, but the subject is an internet phenomenon, and I'm sure some people appreciate the information found on here. I agree that some of the information should be culled from the article, but the problem then arises as to how far does the edit go? If one asks for cited sources, we arrive back at the misinformation from message boards. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to contact some of his alleged affiliated websites to request a valid bio for Kimbo? TigerDigm 18:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
It's an idea, but I don't think we want to be using any of those websites as a trusted source! This article gets more and more rubbish added to it weekly. People may appreciate the running commentary on all of his fights, but that doesn't make it notable. Apart from that, it's a WP:V nightmare. Stu ’Bout ye! 10:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

This article needs to go.

This isn't that note worthy of a subject, there is not alot of proven facts, and it is poorly written.

I move for deletion.

S-I-G-N---Y-O-U-R---P-O-S-T-S!!! While I don't think we should delete this, I think we should get it more organized. --CanesOL79 00:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah lets remove all the information on wikipedia while were at it..

Link

The link labeled "Kimbo v. Rasta" leads the viewer to a site which also features pornography.

Also, I think the video which this link leads to was his first fight.

I've deleted three of the current links and added a link to youtube that lists all of the fights. Two of the links I deleted are inaccessible to a lot of users as they contain adult content. Stu ’Bout ye! 08:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Parodies

I've removed the parodies section as this isn't notable. If anyone can tell why it is, I'm happy to revert. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

articles for deletion

i for one can say that i'm euphoric this article survived AfD. here is why: i, too, am named kevin ferguson. i couldn't be happier to type my name into wikipedia and find out that i share names with kimbo slice. --Friendship hurricane 06:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


Rumor verification

I heard that the eye that was shown in the first fight was fake. I know that somebody from his entourage claimed that the eye was not fake, but apparently, there are people who say they know the guy or were witnesses to the fake wound. I do not know, so I am just asking if anybody knows for sure or not. RyanDaniel 16:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah it wasn't fake.

New videos

There is a new video in which kimbo fights two different opponents.

There is a site called Sublime directory that has every Kimbo fight except Gannon's. It also links to porn, so I haven't linked it. Sublime directory refers to Kimbo's first opponent, Byrd, as "Big D" and to Rasta as "Dreads". Maybe someone could take a look at it and decide if the names should be referenced, or the site should be linked in the article? It also gives heights and weights for Kimbo and each opponent at the time of the fight.

Another new video is up. This time Kimbo fights a guy named Adryan in a back yard.

Impossible to verify

This article is a complete mess. I'm actually sad to say it is one of the articles I edit most on Wikipedia, according to one of the edit counters. As I've mentioned before, the biggest problem is verifiability. Despite a fairly extensive search, the only reliable source I have found is the Rolling Stone article already stated in the 2nd paragraph. I may be bold and remove everything except what that article mentions. I'll see what people's thoughts are. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it. Anything added to the article from now on should be referenced from reliable sources. Stu ’Bout ye! 12:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how you think it is appropriate to remove all that content, when the fights, etc. can obviously be seen all over the net and other stuff you removed is referenced. --Mista-X 13:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please read WP:V and WP:RS. None of the references provided (youtube, message boards, amateur MMA sites} are reliable. Stu ’Bout ye! 13:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I think you are using a technicality out of context, but I'll take a look. In any case, you know it's B.S. --Mista-X 17:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Procedure isn't a technicality. Wikipedia's procedures and policies are there to protect the project. I do think they go too far sometimes, but in this case an article was almost wholly based on message boards and unreliable sources. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I missunderstood why youtube is not to be used; I had thought it was because of copyright issues. But in this case, it seems pretty much like a reliable source. You can't really argue with video. Then again, is it necessary to describe every fight in the article? I'm sure we can find away to improve the article in other ways... --Mista-X 12:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a problem with copyright with youtube. The person that removed the youtube links from this article also removed links to youtube from other articles. So it seems youtube can't be linked to at all, and hence can't be used as a reference anyway. Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking seems to cover this. I agree, it is not necessary to describe every fight. I also agree we have to find other ways of improving the article. I've spent quite a bit of time searching for sources we can use to expand the article, but came up with nothing - both searching on Google and searching individual news websites. I'm out of ideas for the minute! Stu ’Bout ye! 14:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The editing of this Kimbo Slice reference has gone too far. Now the reference is negligible to the point where there's no purpose of even having it. I agree that all the details of the fights do not need to be interpreted, but the basic facts should be included, i.e. the fighters, their stats and the results, not because every fighter should have all their fights listed, but only because Kimbo Slice is an internet phenomenon, popular culture, and any information about him and his fights is desired by those seeking further reference. Also there were several links removed that are reasonably reputable such as the links to the subfighter.com news articles I posted and also the references to Kimbo's work with MILF and VIP which I bothered to included a link to an interesting photo of him on the site and for which a Wikipedia entry exists and was linked. The reference that Gannon posted and Kimbo's manager posted were also reliable. It seems most of this editing has been done by someone that has not done their research, is not familiar with the fighters and the fighting scene and therefore does not know the actual account names that they do in fact post with in fighting forums, nor which forums are reputable. In the end, a useful resource for information on Kimbo Slice has been turned into a pointless blurb. Sempi 11:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Word. Jason McConnell-Leech 12:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Issues

If Kimbo Slice's team willingly uploaded the fight video to the web, then how can it be copyright infringement if hundreds of video sites post the video with no complaints. Youtube has a policy against videos which violate someone's copyright, and allows copyright owners to remove videos (which happens on a daily basis). After 150,000 views on Youtube alone, none of the videos of this fight had been removed by anyone who might have the rights to the footage. Its not part of any DVD, and no one has requested that any of the hundred sites posting the video remove it. Kimbo's own people visit the wikipedia page, THEY aren't the ones removing the link. We have a single solitary editor taking the editing thing a little overboard, removing a completely useful video link because the people who filmed it and uploaded it to the web for all to see didn't upload it through their own Youtube account. Its starting to look like you're a Gannon fan more concerned about the video showing what happened than someone concerned over a copyright issue that only you seem upset about. If you take it that serious, please do a search for www.youtube.com on wikipedia, and go to each of the pages with youtube links that are not uploaded by the copyright holders and remove them. You do that (I'll check your contribs) and I will happily accept the remove of the youtube link from this page, that way I know you're being sincere rather than a hypocrite or an editor on a power trip. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.0.104.154 (talk) 11:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

  1. Please remain civil.
  2. If there are inappropriate links in other articles then that is not am argument for adding another one here.
  3. Wikipedia is not YouTube. If you want the material to be allowed you could contact the copyright holder and ask that they release their rights to the material.
  4. If you keep disrupting Wikipedia to make a point you risk being blocked. --Oden 11:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: if you can find a link to a official website feel free to add it. A video clip from a official website would not be considered a copyright violation, if it is uploaded with permission from the copyright holder. --Oden 11:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe Sublime Directory is an official source for Kimbo videos. His manager runs several porn sites, doesn't he? Sublime Directory has a special page dedicated to nothing but kimbo fights. They say it's official. The only problem is that the Kimbo page links to porn, so it really isn't a usable link in itself. What about putting the videos from the site on a host and linking to them that way?

Yep, it's pretty clear Sublime Directory is the official site, since all the videos seen elsewhere have their watermark, the videos there are in WMV format (as opposed to Flash), and Kimbo's team hands out a free Sublime Directory t-shirt to a fallen opponent in one of the videos. I'm replacing the current video link with Sublime Directory, as it does seem to pass WP:EL in this case, although I understand the gratuitous porn may be objectionable to some. -SpuriousQ (talk) 03:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

links and fan websites

I think editors are going overboard deleting legitmate fan generated websites (specifically www.kimbofightvideo.com which are exactly what users are looking for when they come across the wikipedia entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.71.74.68 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 31 December 2006.

See Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. A link to a offical website of Kimbo Slice is a different matter than fansites and other websites. If there is a official website then please link to it. --Oden 15:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I tried looking for "Kimbo Slice" at IMDb, Yahoo! Movies and the Notable Names database without finding any entries. --Oden 15:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

last name vs. first name

I removed all times the article called him by his first name and changed it to his last name. Encyclopedias don't use first names except to distinguish people with the same last name. -CRouleau 04:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

The constant abuse of this article is out of hand. I have requested semi-protect at: Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_protection --Mista-X 10:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Career information

The career information written for Kimbo seems to focus more on the fortunes of Steve Gannon instead, perhaps this should apply more to Gannons page and not this one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TwistedArcade (talk • contribs) 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC). --TwistedArcade 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

This poor article has been heavily pruned to only verifiable information. The fact that the UFC picked up Gannon due to the Slice video is one of the only verifiable facts about Slice we have that helps establish his notability. I think it should stay, but there is regrettably a dearth of reliable information about Slice himself, which makes the article nearly as much about Gannon as it is about Slice. -SpuriousQ (talk) 16:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems much info I added from his coach, manager and cousin have been removed. mma.tv is a valid source for info on Kimbo as they have all posted there. I believe it would be verifiable but people just delete things without checking. Satanico


Official video site

User:167.206.211.125 continues to replace the SublimeDirectory.com video link with one to a "Kimbo fansite", arguing that "Sublime Directory is an advertising site, not operated by subject." As I've explained above it's quite clear that Sublime is the official source of these videos. Observe the "SublimeDirectory.com" watermark at the bottom right of the videos on the fansite, see Kimbo's team giving "Big Mac" a Sublime Directory t-shirt in the last five seconds of that video, and notice that SublimeDirectory is the only site where the videos are high quality WMVs instead of low quality Flash videos derived from them. The fansite consists only of embedded links to YouTube videos, one of which is currently dead, having been removed from YouTube. The evidence strongly indicates SublimeDirectory is the site we ought to link to, if we link to any video site at all. (I'm aware that all of this borders on WP:NOR and am beginning to consider that the subject of this article does not satisfy WP:BIO.) -SpuriousQ (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Written like a magazine article

I can't help noticing that this article is written in a decidedly overdramatized way, as well as showing a marked favoritism towards Slice. My favorite bit is "Some get degrees in jail. Others find God. Kimbo found street fighting." Can anyone please write better than that?

MatthewLiberal 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Notable Quotes?

"All day.......all day."

"Thats how a nigga eat!" (after beating Byrd watkins)

"Fuck that nigga lets run this!" (in response to Byrd watkins asking to grapple)

"South beat baby, south beat records all day!"

"Thats it? It cant be over, im just warmin up!" (after beating Rasta)

  • Send it to wikiquote if you think it's notable otherwise if it's put in I'll delete it. Let those guys Over there figure it out.--M8v2 17:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

This man is a Legend

Seriously this man is a phenomenon. The bare knuckle fighting may not appeal to you, and it doesn't have to. Either way, this man is a hard worker and deserves this article about him on Wiki. Side note... this man is utterly down to Earth... watch him always shake hands with his opponents after beating them mercilessly.

  • I'm a hard worker, do i deserve a wikipedia article? Down to earth my ass he doesn't always shake hands and if he was so down to earth he would have accepted and admitted that Gannon beat him?--M8v2 17:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

^he did

    • He also punched Adryan in the ear while Adryan was walking away after losing a fight. Down to earth? --Hurricane Angel 02:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

^ in an mma or boxing match that is completely legal as long as it isnt in the back of the head. its adryans fault for not going down and taking the 30 second count

But this isn't MMA or boxing.

Kimbo also tackled the Bouncer I believe into a table after getting frustrated when he was knocked down; breaking what flimsy street fighting rules they did establish. And as pointed out, he doesn't shake hands with Adryan after blindsiding him. A very nice sportsman.

lets get a little longer article

how about some stats for each of his opponents along with kimbo himself? these are all taken from sublime directory.

Kimbo Slice: 6'2" 260

<<<Opponents>>>

Byrd Watkins: 6'1" 270

Rasta: 6'0" 240

Afropuff: 6'5" 300

Big Mac: 5'11" 300

Adryan: 6'1" 240

Sean Gannon: 6'3" 305

The Bouncer: 6'3" 300


Where did ppl get the Justin Berkley info?

Oh come n where are people getting all these fighters names from out?


the order of the fight are wrong he faught watkins first then gannon then dreads then airfropuff then bigmac then adryn then the bouncer because if u watch his under card fights you can see dreads and big mac walking around in the back so pay close atttention and can we start a page about ray he did get his ass whooped but he deserves a pageTennisakin 03:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Nah ray doesnt desrve a page and if Kimbo ever releases the other videos he loses on he won't get a page either.

Who is Don Schulte

I cannot find one source to support that a) Kimbo fought this guy or b) that Kimbo lost to him. I am going to delete it if no source is provided. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 17:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Something concrete to back the article up

I have been a supporter of this article from the beginning but acknowledge that the sources have been poor and the article has survived by the skin of its teeth even though we all have seen his fights on youtube. But now he now has a PPV fight against a former world champion boxer. See here for further details. This should give us plenty of references from reliable sources to ensure that we can now put the WP:N issues to bed.--Vintagekits 12:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The PPV Event: CFFC 5

I took the liberty of creating a page for the event itself that Kimbo will be fighting in against Ray Mercer. I did the best I could and I think it's pretty good for my first attempt at creating a page. Though I would appreciate some help with it. Adding to it, making corrections, making it just look better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_Fury_Fighting_Championships_5 UnknownToaster 02:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


I dont think this fight should be counted in his record because it was an exhibition fight they were saying..... So does this count as a regular fight because it said exhibition all over the place.

Verification of info on Kimbos earlier fights

I think there needs to be more reliable sources on his opponents stats, other than the Sublime Directory videos themselves. I for one don't believe any of those fighters were 300 pounds and SD have edited videos in Kimbos favour in the past. I don't think there various weights should be listed without proper reference. Anyone else? 83.147.138.161 04:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC) cowwithbeans

Sublime is the official source of all the Kimbo fight videos and seeing as we have no means of finding out if the stats are accurate or not we might as well just leave it as it is. It's not to much of a big deal. UnknownToaster 13:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Kimbo Video Intervew Prior to CFFC 5 Event

Alright CFFC has put a video up on their website which is basically an interview with Kimbo Slice. Not professionally done unfortunately but it's a start to some factual information about the man. I am having trouble making out what he says at times so if someone can make it out better than i can and see there is some mistake in the wiki that uses the video as the source please correct it and mention the correction here. Video Interview: http://www.cagefuryfighting.com/kimbo_interview.php UnknownToaster 20:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Ray Mercer vs Kimbo was NOT bareknuckle

why the fuck did some jackass put that in the bareknuckle list? there was a perfect mma list for Kimbo yesterday...STOP CHANGING SHIT