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Since Disney profitted so much from Lion King, I wonder why the Japanese didn't sue Disney for a share of the profit. It would be interesting to see how Disney defend the case given all the evidence and similarity.
22:54, 2004 May 24 . . Kowloonese (any law suit?)
- more ressources ? ( i found some long time ago ... i will check further because i can't find them now )
Did Disney's The Lion King rip off an old Japanese TV series? 24-Dec-1999
from Harvey Deneroff's Animation Consultants International News on the Web May 23, 2004
'Kid from Toledo' Still Animated after Decades of Illustrious Work
The Toledo Blade has this profile of Fred Laderman, better known in animation circles as Fred Ladd. “Honored yesterday as a distinguished graduate of Ohio State University, Mr. Laderman is considered an industry trailblazer — the first to transform Japanese animation into an American commodity.” It relates how he came to do Astro Boy, the English-language version of Osamu Tezuka' s Tetsuam Atom (Iron Fisted Atom Boy), the first Japanese animated TV series, as well as Tezuka's Kimba, the White Lion. It also notes he “became a well-quoted figure in a debate that still simmers today” about the debt Disney's The Lion King owes Kimba. I am also quoted in the piece, as I am currently helping Ladd write his autobiography.'
jump to 'Kid from Toledo' still animated after decades of illustrious work
( Article published Saturday, May 22, 2004 )
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[edit] Because the original Japanese animator, Osama Tezuka, thought highly of Walt Disney, Mr. Tezuka's company declined to complain. But some anime fans did complain, and Mr. Laderman became a well-quoted figure in a debate that still simmers today.
--Neuromancien 00:44, 2004 May 25 (UTC)
[edit] Counterpart
Kimba is the hero lion? In original he is named Leo. KIZU
"Under his original name Leo, the lion Kimba was the star of an animated series that enjoyed immense popularity in the U.S. and Europe in the late 1960s. The show itself was based on a famous 1950s children's manga "Junguru Taitei" by Osamu Tezuka, the creator of another beloved anime star, "Atomu" (Astro Boy). When it syndicated five episodes of the series in 1966, NBC changed Leo's name by taking the Swahili word for lion, "simba," and changed the first letter to create "Kimba.""
Changing the Names for American Audiences : (amazing article a MUST read ):
"Most of the characters were renamed. Some of the original names were overly Japanese (Ken-ichi), others seemed out of character (Bubu for the most serious villain), and still others were acceptable but better names sprang easily to mind (Dan'l Baboon instead of Mandy.) Leo's name was changed to "Simba" -- short, catchy, and an in-group joke to anyone who recognized it as the Swahili word for "lion". However, only a couple of days before the first episode was to be recorded, it was learned that some Black-community entrepreneur had already registered "Simba" as the name for a proposed Black-power soft drink! Nobody was sure how this might affect their right to use Simba for a cartoon character, but obviously NBC would want to sell merchandising rights if the program was a success, and they would not want a name that might lead to conflicts if they wished to go into the same areas of marketing. It was decided to play safe, and the "S" in Simba was changed to a "K" to create a name that was absolutely original."
[http://www.kimbawlion.com/history.htm How Kimba Came To Be ] --Neuromancien 14:57, 2004 May 26 (UTC)
- That article has been updated; there was no competing trademark involved. -- 69.143.145.97 21:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] mice or rats
I just watched this episode with my kids today. I believe that the rodents on the boat that Kimba befriends are mice and not rats. I'll check and make the change if I am correct.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.235.64.163 (talk • contribs) .
- They were rats; it is stated as such in the show's soundtrack. -- 69.143.145.97 21:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- We're talking about the first episode, with the rodents on the boat, right? If so, then at least in the Dub, they're mice. There's a point where one of them is discussing the weather with a stork. The stork predicts a storm, and advises that if he were a rat, he would abandon ship. The rodent then exclaims, "But we're mice!" --Agape
Actually, the word for mouse and rat is Nezumi in Japanese. So it can go any which way ^-^" Leo Otaku 05:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Simpsons Mention of Controversy
To whoever is reverting the article to remove important information: please stop. You are only decreasing the encyclopedic value of the article by removing the Simpsons reference. In any controversy, mentioning where it's been discussed in either the news or pop culture (such as the Simpsons) adds to the value of the article. Removing information of relevant nature to the article could be construed as vandalism, so please cease. Also, be aware of the 3RR guideline, which you are in danger of violating. Xuanwu 00:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Irrelevant Pictures
An article shouldn't have 50% of its pictures irrelevant to its content. The picture you are adding adds nothing to the article. The Lion King controversy was mentioned on Entertainment Tonight, in the Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle, etc. etc. Do we need pictures of all of them, too?? I would contend that this picture is totally unnecessary in the Lion King article as well. Far from 'important information', adding this picture comes across as some Simpsons fanboy sees an opportunity to spread the "Gospel".
Oh, and whatever you think 3RR may be, there is no such article. You should check your facts before you create dead links.
- Pictures of the mentions you brought up aren't needed, though links to articles or show transcripts from when they did mention them are appropriate for the article. And I'm far from a Simpsons fanboy; if you note, the Lion King article also has a picture of the Simpsons show in question - synching this and that is just good article maintenance. Also, the Simpsons is considered by some a significant pop culture icon, so the controversy being mentioned there shows how widespread debate on the topic was to be integrated into a comedy show.
- On the revert rule, I mistyped the link: it's WP:3RR. The fact you're unaware of this means you should read up more on Wikipedia Policy before continuing to edit, especially as your last comment borders on violating WP:CIV. Please be more respectful of fellow editors. Xuanwu 07:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since the picture references the look and usage of the Lion King, it is inappropriate for this article. "Syncing" the two articles in this way does not make sense. As for respect, it seems you were the one backing up your claims with threats.
- I wasn't threatening you. I was making you aware of the 3RR guidelines. Part of those guidelines is that a person is to first be made aware of said rule before it is invoked (if needed). Since you've made a number of reverts very close to a 24 hour period, I thought you should be aware of it before an admin noticed and (possibly) gave you a 24-hour ban. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes (~). Xuanwu 05:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since the picture references the look and usage of the Lion King, it is inappropriate for this article. "Syncing" the two articles in this way does not make sense. As for respect, it seems you were the one backing up your claims with threats.
[edit] Copyright vs. Trademark
"But, since 'Simba' was considered uncopyrightable..." This is a meaningless statement because no name can be copyrighted. Trademark, not copyright, applies to names. 68.77.111.101 20:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unfair
I felt that the part of this article about the Kimba/Lion King controversy is somewhat biased on the Tezuka's side. I acknowledge that most of this article is probably written by Tezuka/Kimba fans and as such, dislike Disney, and what they "did". But come on. Grow up. This text could be written by a prosecutor in a court of law just as well. Wikipedia isn't here to slate any person or company. Wikipedia should list the both sides of things. Read this, and edit that part. Massively. Simba means a lion in Swahili either way, so it's quite enough to merit a weird coincidence and I see no reason behind Disney changing the name of Simba over Kimba. How many movies are there out there that include a talkative bird, a wise monkey and a villainous uncle? And there's nothing in both of them standing on a rock - that's what lions do in real life, they stand on rocks. Big deal. There are white lions in real life, and in the name of equality, Disney wants some diversity in their character span. No concept art is to prove anything. Get real, Disney did not rip the movie off from Tezuka, it's just the blind fans talking, and you all know it. --88.112.82.41 05:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. When I was a kid a watched The Lion King first. I loved the movie, and I still think that's a good movie, but... Few years later I watched the Kimba and I taught "What a Lion King plagiary". Then I find out that the Kimba is much older and I was very disappointed. I'm not Kimba fan either, but The Lion King is obviously a plagiarism. --Lošmi 23:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I love Lion King to but really get over it , IT ripped of Kimba. Will- —Preceding unsigned comment added by WillTheWitch (talk • contribs) 18:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Jungle Emperor Leo-1.jpg
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[edit] Golden Films 1994 animated film?
- Why in the world does "The Jungle King" redirect here and whatever happened to the article regarding Golden Films' animated film with that title? T.W. (talk) 15:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
