User talk:Killercalendar

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[edit] Inappropriate links

See WP:SPAM, WP:COI, WP:EL and other rules here. Those links will never be appropriate for Wikipedia, as they have no encyclopedic purpose. DreamGuy 06:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure how you can say that the information on this site does not have "encyclopedic purpose". This site has detailed and verified information from well over 300 Serial Killers, background on almost every fiction serial killer in every medium, detailed information on every classified type of murder/homicide and a lengthy list of common serial killer paraphilia. The fact that it also includes artwork of these killers should not detract from the massive amounts of information available on it). I have been looking through some of the pages where you removed links and notice that you left many links that point to sites with almost no useful information at all. I get the feeling that you are simply removing these links because you do not personally like the website. Please let me know if this is the case because I am seriously tempted to bring this up with Wikipedia staff and have you blocked for senselessly deleting links.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Killercalendar (talk • contribs)

Sorry, but you're wrong on all counts. And you should know that, as you were spamming this same site in the past and it always got removed then too. But please do bring it up with Wikipedia staff, as they certainly won't block me for doing what policies say everyone should do, and they probably will add your site to the blocklist of spam sites to never be included on any Wiki page anywhere. DreamGuy 06:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you are talking about a different site (possibly serialkillercalendar). PainandPaintings is a relatively new website. I specifically created it as a purely informational site void of any ads or merchandise. I went through the links you sent me about wikipedia restrictions and I can not find anything in there that seems to apply. I am in no way profiting off these links since painandpaintings does not sell merchandise, ad space or even pay per clicks. Nor is it a personal site to promote anything. It is simply a very detailed source of information. So, according to what you have told me, I can not post links to this site since I helped to build it. Does that mean that other people can post links to this site if they feel it is relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killercalendar (talk • contribs)

And PainandPaintings has the same design, same content, and a big old link to serialkillercalendar at the bottom selling all the same crap. You're the same spammer spamming the same spam you've been told a zillion times you can't do. Giving it a new domain name doesn't change anything. DreamGuy 07:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That is precisely why we have created PainAndPaintings. We wanted this website to be a source of information without selling merchandise. The only time you even see the word SerialKillerCalendar.com on the entire site is on the images of our paintings. This is not to advertise by the way, it is simply because if we do not watermark our property, everyone on the internet uses it for their own purposes. These images by the way are not even linked to SerialKillerCalendar.com. Therefore, I ask you again, what makes this a bad link. I can understand completely that you would not want me to personally link to it. I realize after reading what you sent me that this would be a conflict of interest. But if other people seem to agree with me and want to link to it, why would you take their links off? What is your rationale behind that other then spite?

[edit] Some advice

When dealing with other editors, such as DreamGuy, it's best not to be hostile or threatening. Also, if you're having a dispute, try not to take the bait or get too annoyed because other editors can and frequently will use that against you. For future reference, look at policy pages like WP:CIVIL to avoid getting on anyone's bad side right off the bat.

Also, if I were you, I would mention the links you were talking about to another editor, perhaps an admin, so they could examine it to see if it really is encyclopedic. It's always a good idea to get more than one opinion since Wikipedia editors often disagree on even the smallest points. Anyways, I think the main problem with the painandpaintings.com link is not so much that it's unencyclopedic (even though that may very well be the case), but that it might be evidence of a conflict of interest, since I seem to recall you mentioning you run the site (correct me if I'm wrong there). At any rate, just read through the Wikipedia policies and try not to be confrontational with other editors. They can be a rather vengeful lot when you get on their bad side. --clpo13 07:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

And some advice to you, Clp13: It isn't a question of not "taking the bait" it's a question of chronic unrepentant policy-breaking to self promote a site he used to sell roducts off of. Don't bother talking nice to the hardcore spam-only accounts, it's just a waste of time, and they may identify you as the type of dupe they can manipulate into helping them advertise their site. DreamGuy 07:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Does this conversation concern you? I didn't think so. Please refrain from butting into discussions between other people like a good boy. (And removing things from comments that aren't yours on a talk page that isn't yours? Tsk, tsk. This isn't your playground, buddy boy.) --clpo13 07:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Those comments can get you blocked for being WP:UNCIVIL. Your actions are quite clear, and I had more of right to respond here than you had the right to show up through wikistalking me. DreamGuy 21:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't be rude to Dreamguy here. This is clearly spam, and will be repeatedly removed in the same way that all spam is removed. I am about to block this account and all other accounts and IPs used to aggressively add the link. Plus if the spamming continues I will add the link address to our spam blacklist so that it cannot be added by anyone. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Now it's clearly spam (since the user admitted to it), but it wasn't earlier, when I gave out the advice. Unlike some, I don't jump to conclusions. As for being rude to DreamGuy, well, I'm just treating him how he's consistently treated me. If he doesn't like it, perhaps he should learn how to better handle people like me. --clpo13 08:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

No, sorry, it was clearly spam from the beginning, as it had been spammed earlier, and even if it hadn;t it had no encyclopedic purpose whatsoever and was being added to multiple articles. Please don;t try to rationalize away your screw ups. And "how to better handle people like you" is basically to tell you to play straight or block you, which is what you are definitely cruising for. Don't blame your reprehensible behavior on me. DreamGuy 21:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for sticking up for me there bud. Honestly, I did not intend it to be spam originally. We have tried a bunch of things with painandpaintings.com in the last few months and I figured it would be nice to make it into an information site (without any real connection to SerialKillerCalendar.com. I only got our 10,000+ myspace friends to spam you guys because I thought it was a little unfair that our site was taken off. So you can have a clear conscience man. When you where sticking up for me, I was not yet being a pain in the ass. To everyone else on Wikipedia, please forgive any future link posts from our myspace friends and do not hold them accountable for posting these links. I will try to call all that off but they where only doing it to help out. :) Sorry I caused so much trouble tonight. I really do like your site and my original intentions where honorable.