Talk:Kilmichael Ambush
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Hurling not being a very popular sport amongst west corkmen I would think that it is probably a different Tom Barry that played for Ballyhea
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- Please explain to me why this needs a war box. Ambushes happen in most wars and I rarely see boxes for them. It seems to me that this website (yet again) has been hijacked by partisan historians with a view to discrediting the British. It's no different to what some of the Muslims write when talking about their own military history. It's propoganda founded more on myth than on concrete evidence, and while I don't know much about this website, I think that only proper battles deserve an info box. Incidentally, do you think the you could have used another source but Tom Barry's autobiography? (anon)
If an action in a war is notable then it should be given a war infobox. I recognise that compared to many wars this was a small action, but it was important at the time and has assumed legendary status since then, for several reasons. If you have any specific POV or accuracy complaints then raise them. The article uses several sources besides Tom Barry's autobiography. PatGallacher 16:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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- For this article perhaps, but not the Crossbarry one which, no doubt, you have edited as well. I really don't care if it has a box or not not but I want to say anyway that legend or not, the numbers involved were tiny in comparison to most historical battles and so the whole thing seems to be dominated by Irish nationalists to me. Don't accuse me of jumping to conclusions either because from looking at some of the users' profiles it is quite obvious.
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- Furthermore, the controversy article eclipses the other sections because it is too detailed, and it seems to be more of a battleground for the proponents of Hart and Ryan rather than a minor insight into the subject as it should be. From this it appears to the reader that there are only two sides to this controversy and, more critically, only two authors. Aside from the fact that this leads me to assume that the story is of little importance so as to justify writing about it in the first place and that it has been blown completely out of proportion, there are most likely more books and publications which are not included and the apologists seem to have gone for the most extreme views.
It was a small action, but so what? You will find boxes on all manner of skirmishes on wikipedia. IF you think the article is inaccurate or the tone is baised then tell us why. Kilmichael was an important event, out of all proportion to its military significance, because of its impact on public opinion at the time in Britain and Ireland. It caused martial law to be declared all over the south of Ireland and precipitated the bloodiest phase of the Irish War of Independence. This is why it is still being debated today.
I actually agree about the controversey section being too long though. Jdorney 13:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
See the Action at Bronkhorstspruit and Battle of Arkinholm for small actions that were politically or militarily important. They both have war infoboxes. An complaints about the Crossberry article should be raised there. PatGallacher 15:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- The box seems appropriate to me as a fresh reader of this article. Remember, it doesn't have a big label "War Box" - it just forms a frame with convenient listings of the commanders, numbers, and casualties in the conflict, together with an excellent picture. I'm just amazed this article hasn't been ravaged by post hoc arguments over whether this was an act of "terrorism"; I think Mark Twain might have listed this in the fourth subcategory of it. 70.15.116.59 (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
