Talk:Kill Bill/Archive 2

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What is the titlt of that song??

Does anybody know the name of that song that is playing just after the bride cuts off Sofie's arm and is Walking up to Oren.(KIll Bill Vol.1)

This is really annoying me any help would be really helpful.

Thanks P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul mkatana (talk • contribs) 00:24, 14 May 2006

"The Lonely Shepard" by Zamfir. It's on the soundtrack. Tommyt 17:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
"The Lonely Shepherd" was played when Beatrix accepted the katana from Hanzo. The tune that P is talking about is not listed on the soundtrack. It's a catchy tune amd I was dissapointed when I found it wasn't on the CD. 82.37.114.89 22:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
It's called Death rides a horse - Ennio Morricone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.241.186 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 14 July 2006

Eaten Alive Trivia

Please stop reverting the trivia about "My name is Buck" from Kill Bill. Just because it is crude doesn't stop it from being an accurate piece of trivia for the film. Thank you.--CyberGhostface 21:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Two pages

I say we split the damned thing into two different pages: One for Vol. 1 and one for Vol. 2. I think it's the best thing to do and will make the most sense. Anybody else agree? I'm thinking of doing it soon. --[[User:Nqnpipnr|Nqnpipnr] 22:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I've re-organized the entire thing. What does everybody think? --Nqnpipnr 22:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I didn't think it was possible but you've made it even worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.114.89 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 11 June 2006
How so? And please sign your name next time. --Nqnpipnr 12:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's see now
  1. "The Bride is bloody and bruised, having just been betrayed by her own colleagues (The DIVAS have just killed all her friends and fiancée)". Why?
  2. “Bill, it’s your baby.” So she's pregnant then?
  3. "verbally jab". Don't you mean talk?
  4. "impale her with a kitchen knife" It was the Brides own knife, didn't you see her wipe the blood off and put it back in the scabbard?
  5. "The two men are Buck, a male nurse, and a visitor". Buck is an orderly and the "visitor" is a rapist.
I know you're trying to improve the article but you've left out a lot of information. The telling of the story was already OK, it's the trivia and allusions sections that need cleaning. 82.37.114.89
Okay, I updated the summary with those five points. --Nqnpipnr 00:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you at the end of the film?

While we're at it, who the hell thinks she's saying thank you to Bill at the end of the film(s)? God, maybe, but prolly more like the Fates who specialize in vengence. Bill's dead, and a jerk, and not the person Kiddo would be thanking. Duh. Frou Bear Phoenix frou 04:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Have to agree with Phoenix. Thanking Bill is an interesting theory but would need some support. I changed it to be ambiguous, as it is in the film. Gaohoyt 16:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Adding: D'oh, I meant the Furies, not the Fates. Peace out, and (imagine me mouthing this) thank you, thank you! Phoenix frou 22:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite: Redux

I'm thinking that the synopses of the 2 vols are, once again, getting bloated & overdone, such as:

They all suffer grisly death or mutilation at the edge of her sword in a sequence of sustained, graphic violence. The Blue Leaves sequence employs a variety of visual styles including color, black-and-white, a kabuki-like blue-background silhouette, and an overexposed, flashing black-and-white style which seems to suggest an old martial arts movie. The accompanying soundtrack is an eclectic collection of musical styles.

This would fit better into a section about style or themes, but it doesn't belong in the synopsis. Also, the phrase "at the edge of her sword" is just way too dramatic. And later:

Throughout these scenes, the director exploits the creepy tension between Bill's pleasant demeanor and the violence that we know will occur next.

Again, style or themes section, but not in the synopsis. Or, better yet, in the separate character profile on Bill. Tommyt 17:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Awful article

This article is terrible. Flat-out awful. There are run-on sentences and portions of the description are just wrong. A lot of the description puts in information that is not given to the viewer until later, therefore making it incorrect to place it early in the description. From the jump, this is clear in the description of the opening scene. We had no idea of what The Bride and Bill's connection was at that point. We only saw her breathing hard on the floor and having bill talking before he shoots her. As well, to call the o-ren sequence anime is questionable and subjective. It would be more appropriate to call it an animated sequence. Also, note: when making a first reference to a character, please use the actor's full name. Sonny Chiba should not be treated like a dog. As well, all of the people in Kill Bill can be linked to another wikipedia page. Also, please no style talk in the summary. Describe the plot and that's all. This does not need superfluous details. As well, we do not know what The Bride's name is until late in the film. I found it confusing that she is referred to be her real name from the beginning. In the description of Volume Two, this section is problematic:

Bill warns him that Beatrix will come for him next, but Budd, now overweight and alcoholic, his assassin days apparently behind him, seems either to not take him very seriously or blatantly not care much for his life.

Budd distinctly says after what they did to her, she has the complete right to kill them all. It is not a portrayal of him being nonplussed about his eventual demise at the hands of The Bride. Please, be accurate in this regard and do not confuse the words and intentions of the characters.

However, as aforementioned, Black Mamba is her codename...therefore, she killed him after a fashion. what the hell does this mean? After a fashion is not an acceptable way of saying "in a way," as was intended here.

Although he appears to gain the advantage by disarming her, she disables Bill using the fatal Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, taught to her without Bill's knowledge by Pai Mei. factually incorrect. The Bride, who is now known as Beatrix, did not tell Bill that she knew it. The implication of that sentence, due to its poor structure, is that Pai Mei illegally taught the move to The Bride, which he did not as he is the old-school master and does whatever he feels. The Bride was his student and this is what he taught her. Case closed.

The summary is riddled with errors. The only way to solve the problems that exist in the two summaries is to completely re-write them. I implore an editor or an impassioned fan with a better grasp on the complexities of summary to re-write them.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.158.92.4 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 31 July 2006

Trivia

The Trivia section has the following line:

The ending of the film is an homage to the ending of Oliver Stone's 1994 film Natural Born Killers based on a screenplay by Tarantino.

Didn't Tarantino disown the film because he disagreed with the way Stone rewrote his screenplay? (Ibaranoff24 00:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC))

Restructuring suggestion: How 'bout we move the plot down?

A suggestion: How 'bout we restructure the sections, so as to not place the plot spoilers front and center in the focus of the article?

I suggest moving the "Volume 1" and "Volume 2 plots" down behind "Acclaim and Criticism"; Maybe "Structure" too since it also spoils the plot. "Influences" should also be moved up above the plots. And the many bullet points contained in the section "Specific allusions to other works" should be moved to the "Trivia" section. Hence my suggested article structure:

   * 3 Budget & Box Office
   * 5 Acclaim and Criticism
         o 5.1 A movie in two volumes
         o 5.2 Violence
         o 5.3 Style and substance
         o 5.4 Technical objections
   * 7 Influences
         o 7.1 General
         o 7.2 Lady Snowblood
    * 4 Structure
   * 1 Volume 1 Plot
   * 2 Volume 2 Plot
   * 6 Releases
         o 6.1 DVD release
         o 6.2 Sequels
         o 6.3 Prequels
   * 8 Music
         o 8.1 Volume 1
         o 8.2 Volume 2
   * 9 Trivia
        o 7.3 Specific allusions to other works
   * 10 Cast
   * 11 References
   * 12 External links

(Note that the heading numbers are left intact, to ease the interpretation of my suggested restructuring). I volunteer to do this restructuring myself soon; barring any objections. One little stubble that I see is, how about the individual movie infoboxes? An idea that just came to mind is that there would be two infoboxes for each of the two volumes, both placed at the top of this article right along the lede. Here too I am open to suggestions, of course.

I suggest this restructuring to emphasize my opinion that there are encyclopedic information in this article. Such information being mainly the influence of this film upon popular culture, both in the US and internationally; and the decision to split what was originally intended to be a single two-hour screenplay into two volumes, as opposed to trimming the film down. --Lemi4 08:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

My #1 gripe right now is that the article does not have a picture at the top. Moving the info boxes up would help, but it would look even better with a nice photo (not a screen shot or DVD cover). I like this one [1], but I have no idea if it's allowable.
As for the proposed re-org, heck, give it a try. I'm not sure it will solve the problem of the spoiler warnings though, as people will slap those on even silly things like revealing The Bride's real name. Also, it would constrain the Criticism section (including any future additions to it) to things that don't reveal any plot elements, and I'm not sure that's a good idea. Thanks for caring! Gaohoyt 18:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently discovered this article body style guideline at Wikiproject Films. After looking at the guide I think it would be better to keep the structure, and instead attempt to pare down the spoiler to its essence. IMHO this article's main problem is that the spoiler is more a retelling of the movies instead of a concise review of the plot (which would be preferred being more "encyclopedic"). Those guys have gone so far as to create a template: {{Plotnote}}
I haven't decided on what to do exactly, but more and more I'm more inclined to shorten the spoiler section. --Lemi4 23:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I presume you mean the "plot" sections? Gaohoyt 16:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Reference clean up

I've fixed the bibliographic style of the first six references. I'm simply too exhausted to finish them. Could anyone with the time or interest do so?

This film is amazing not to mention one of the iconic film of the decade. This article should be cleaned up and turned into an FA. The potential is there but unfortunately so is the flab! Reduce and improve.

This page will help in the cleanup: Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines

Jaw101ie 15:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

ANOTHER MUSIC QUESTION! I DONT KNOW!

Wat is the name of the music when the bride and O-ren start to fight, its kind of a spanish influenced tune...??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam531 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 24 September 2006

It's a Spanish version of "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood." Performed by a group called Santa Esmerelda.

'bold'ed boarding pass

I wasn't sure whether or not you other Wikipedians would know what I was doing, so:

I made the words "boarding pass" bold so that someone like myself, who, at seeing a really long article, skims through (sometimes looking at the pictures) would understand the relevance of the picture of The Bride's boarding pass.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.36.194.157 (talk • contribs) 09:45, 18 October 2006

Adding {{toolong}} on top of article

I added this template into the top of the article because it was too long that sections need its own spinoff. Otherwise, sections would be trimmed down before having their own spinoff. What do you think? --Gh87 17:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

no way, the length is perfect for two films worth of material. AlexOvShaolin 03:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Added {{split-apart}}

I added this tag in the article because some sections takes away main topic's attention in the article that they needs its own independence from it. --Gh87 07:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This is not much different from your rationale to add the {{toolong}} template. It doesn't seem like there is any one section that is so long that it merits its own article. Also, Kill Bill is essentially one movie (it is almost implied by the tag that it be split according to volume), and so it should remain as one article. --Stux 17:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment noted, but I am moving the tag to the talk page as it detracts from the article. I would be interested in what sections you think could be "broken off". I agree with Stux that a Volume 1/Volume 2 split is a bad idea. Gaohoyt 17:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

synopses

After reading the WikiFilms guidelines, I added {{Plot}} tags to the two volume synopes. Seriously, they're 2800 words long. It's extremely easy to write this kind of thing, but I'd be interested to hear thoughts on who, exactly, they meant for, and what encyclopedic purpose describing in detail every single event of the films serves. --24.81.13.220 17:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Strong cosign. Why even see these films, when one need only read the entire story on wikipedia? 74.134.255.99 01:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit to Allusions to Other Taratino Films section

I removed the following text:

In Vol 2, the church pianist (played by Samuel L. Jackson) says he had been in a gang, and also spent time as a drifter. In Pulp Fiction, Jackson's character intended to give up his life of crime and "walk the earth."

This is incorrect. Jackson's character is talking about bands he's played with in the past; he wasn't "in a gang," he was in "The Gang," as in "Kool and." Likewise, he establishes here that he played with The Drifters. He mentions the Coasters and others as well.

Lwschurtz 16:09, 21 December 2006 (CST)