User talk:Kierano
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Welcome Kierano,
Good to have someone from KZN. Why don't you add your name at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/South Africa. See you around.--Jcw69 06:28, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] The (n00b) Editor
I grew weary of proof reading Project Gutenberg texts so I decided to become a wiki editor. It's a little intimidating, so I started with the Paddington Bear discussion page. My username is self explanatory though uninspired.
Miss Cicatrix 12:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wyrd
Hi, I noticed that you edited the article on Wyrd. I just wanted to let you know that I did a major over-haul on the page, and that you might want to have a look at it in order to continue its improvement.
Yogensha 23:10, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] GRider
Regarding GRider's 'Socratic' VfD nominations and the ensuing reactions by voters, please read and comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/GRider2. Thanks. Radiant_* 10:29, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
- However, please note that 'notability' is used very often on VfD as a reason for nominating or voting, so that cannot really be held against GRider. I believe it is a de facto criterion even if it's not strictly written in policy (and if I were to put on my lawyer hat, I could make a reasonable case for it by quoting policy). Radiant_* 11:42, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
- I've taken your remarks under the header of 'users certifying the basis of the dispute' and moved them to the 'discussion' section. Am I correct to interpret that this does indeed mean that you certify the basis of the dispute? If not please edit the RfC page accordingly. Radiant_* 12:14, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks. You take it correctly. If anything, my views are somewhat more extreme (I'll strive for NPOV): The whole issue of notability is new to me: In fact, the whole Vote for Deletion process is something I only discovered when GRider nominated a page I was working on (and in a way which, to me, smacked of discrimination against people practicing body modification). However, as I have mentioned, that is not the subject of the RfC. I do agree with your reasons for posting it. I'm still looking for the best way to express them myself. However, count me in in acknowledging that there is a problem with GRider's behaviour.
- I've taken your remarks under the header of 'users certifying the basis of the dispute' and moved them to the 'discussion' section. Am I correct to interpret that this does indeed mean that you certify the basis of the dispute? If not please edit the RfC page accordingly. Radiant_* 12:14, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Arbitration Committee case opening
The Arbitration Committee has accepted the case against GRider. Please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/GRider/Evidence]]. Thank you. -- Grunt ҈ 19:40, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)
[edit] Arbitration case - final decision
A decision has been reached in the arbitration case you requested. User:GRider is prohibited from editing any deletion-related page for a period of one year. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/GRider#Final decision for further details and the full decision. -- sannse (talk) 19:00, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Zulu
Thanks for your recent additions at Zulu. Just one remark: it's perfectly OK (in fact, it's desirable) for the lead section to effectively provide a summary of major points of the article. I'm not going to mess with this; I would restore the old lead, but it looks like some of your removals might be corrections. Anyway, you might want to follow up on this. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:03, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Khoisan lang navbox
Thank you very much. I like making navboxes. I never got around to finishing adding the box to all of the Khoisan languages. Thanks again, --Merovingian (t) (c) 18:12, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Maritzburg!
Hey there, I'm just happy to see someone from PMB. I studied at UKZN from August to December 2004, and loved every minute of it. Thought I'd just say cheers. =) Elefuntboy 7 July 2005 19:00 (UTC)
[edit] Science timelines reordering
Thanks much for taking on that job. I had reordered several other categories and had reached the limit of how much of that I wanted to do with that one. Hence the note instead of the work. --EMS | Talk 14:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnic groups
I've been bashing Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#Partial_list_of_pages_covered_by_the_project into a semblance of current. Could I prevail on you to update the groups you've worked on or plan to work on? Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 11:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hi there!
I just wanted to say that you've done a great job on PMB and the ethnic groups in SA. Very nice. Elefuntboy 08:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject South African municipalities
Hi! I see you've been making a lot of edits relating to South African municipalities. I have just started WikiProject South African municipalities, and I was wondering if you would like to join and contribute? - htonl 19:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Funny, I was also thinking about a rambot-style census bot for South Africa. I'll see what I can find out about getting hold of programmatically-usable data. As to the map scripts, I'll put them up here as soon as I can, but they need a bit of cleaning up - they're a bit, uhh..., anachronistic. ;) Give me a day or two, and I'll have them all up. - htonl 20:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Library of Earth and Sky
After reading all the comments on my talk page, I have decided to scrap the library and instead use simple alphabetised lists ("Animals of the Edge Chronicles" etc). Thank you for your healthy criticism. This being my first venture into Wiki, I kinda guessed I'd make glaringly obvious mistakes, but I intend to learn from them (:
P.S. Please feel free to delete all the library subsections, but could you wait until at least tomorrow to give me time to copy the info. Thanks!--Ninty 09:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject: South African municipalities
Pages - its partially programatic. I have some asp code that generates the wiki markup which I cut and paste. I then edit anything that needs an obvious change. Graphs: cool. Do Share. I didn't know Python until a few minutes ago but am sure I can use it. If not no harm done. The only hassle is loading them up into the commons. Does wiki not have some graph type markup? --Waynedam 21:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Arg I've been lazy on this for a while and haven't really been working with any database stuff for a while. If I can get as much of the data as possible
As far as I understand it we are going to essentially need to look into getting together two databases: 1) containing information on each of the municipalities - basically the info that appears in the info bar. If somebody draws up a bot that can plug the information into the articles or at least just spew the information into a plaintext file that sets it out how the infobox must look then the process of drawing up municipal articles can move along swiftly.
2) the information on the census information, it may be particularly useful to be in a possition to cite an estimated population for specific settlements based on the census division. However I think this particular matter is being looked at by the various compsci geeks of the world and it is far above my league at this point.
Obviously database 1 will get information from database 2.
Thoughts? Paul Hjul 10:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Persian people#History
Could you take a look at the first sentence in this section? It claims that Persians are descendants of some "Aryan tribes" migrating from Central Asia. Sounds like outdated racial theories to me. The same source (Britannica) says Persians are of mixed ancentry, but when I try to add this in people remove it. I don't think this is consistent with WP:NPOV. Could you take a look at this and leave a comment? Thanks, AucamanTalk 06:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
In response to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_South_African_municipalities it can be done will be more than a minor project in database design (which I know very little about). Im going to need the data though, which I assume is a fairly large chunk and will need to be transported by cd's and post. Give me a shout at my talk page
[edit] Please vote
Hi, if you have not yet done so, we could sure use your input on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dewet. Thanks! Elf-friend 10:26, 19 May 2006
[edit] Alcatel
Yes, (most of) his edits have been a source of concern to me too. I will comply with your suggestion, but the time may come when we will have to take more formal action (Request for Comment, Arbcom, etc.)
Regards, Elf-friend 10:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Job opportunity
Hey Kieran, thanks very much for the job info - it looks very interesting - but unfortunately I already have a job going in this holiday. On the other hand, if there is still work available over the summer vac I would certainly be interested. Cheers, htonl 23:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Volkstaat and Orania articles
Kierano, what WEASEL words did I add in? Please point them out? --Zaphnathpaaneah 14:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kierano, I think you did a great job of clarifying the issues I have been having with the editing, and the generalizations. I think I need to discuss this issue of Weasel words with you in the Orania and Volkstaat articles. You gave two examples that I used, however, I fail to see how those examples are actually examples of weaseling. You mention that my responses are reactionary, and perhaps the two examples are of me countering bias, but being unable to articulate around or nullify the previous weaseling tactics. So in effect you see me "out-weaseling" the weasel? I see my comments in [1], [2]. to be not weasel tactics, but instead clarifications to counter act the weaseling tactics. For example, #4 was posted in order to prevent readers from being misled by the notion that Whites in S.A. lost their rights by the misleading (weaseling) comment in the "Lack of Political Power" section earlier which stated "The Afrikaners, who form a small minority group in South Africa (8% of total population 2001 est.), handed over their political power in South Africa during the 1994 democratic elections. " People will be weaseled into thinking they gave up their rights as they read further with all the implied talk of Afrikaaner rights being compromised. So in effect, what I am getting at is that the reactionary Afrikaaner contributions are very subtly crafted to lull the reader into assuming that in S. Africa the Whites are being unfairly diminished in some way. --Zaphnathpaaneah 02:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
A weasel word is a word that is intended to, or has the effect of, softening the force of a potentially loaded or otherwise controversial statement, or avoids forming a clear position on a particular issue. for me, I am only trying to UNDO that.
I ask for your input out of honest sincerity, because I think you are the first person that I have come across in here who has properly put the issues in perspective. How can I more effectively dissassemble weaseling tactics by reactionaries in topics of race? So I am listening to what you wrote and will try the ideas out. --Zaphnathpaaneah 02:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Just curious, HAVE you also spoke with the agitators on the other side? Like Ron? I mean, i appreciate your input here, but i fear that the "voice of reason" is only "given" to those on one side, while the other side is left believing they are reasonable. Shall Ron and his comments also be given no response from you? --68.60.55.162 17:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I regards to doing the varied things to counteract right-wing contributions that are unmeritious and without citation... How about instead of all of those things you suggested (which are constructive suggestions), instead lets just remove the statements all together and require that they present facts and citations, just in the same manner my statements (and other non-right wing contributors) are removed for the lack of the same quality. If you can feel compelled to remove left-wing comments, why not right-wing comments? I am constantly edited out and told to refer, but when a right-wing comment is done in the same manner, I am required to respond to it (instead of requiring them to remove it and come back). That's not fair, thats the POV I see prevalaent in Wikipedia, apologies, but that's just what I see. --Zaphnathpaaneah 17:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Kierano, I want you to know I hold you in high respect, and I do not have any gripe. I just want to have "free speech for me" as well as "free speech for theem".--Zaphnathpaaneah 12:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Kierano, thank you for your hard work on the Volkstaat and Orania articles. Your methodology is excellent for the furtherance of an encyclopaedic article, complete with references. Wikipedia is not a forum for free speech, it is an information tool for unbiased facts. It would be good to free the articles of "weasel words" and biased POV, in order for Wikipedia's goal to be achieved. I will try to help as much as I can. -Gemsbok1 09:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sending you the SA stats data
I haven't checked the data I got from Stats SA thoroughly – and I can't really, not from here – but I can tell you that it can't be too outdated: Plettenberg Bay appears as Bitou. You asked for the data; I'll be happy to send it. I see I can't e-mail you through Wiki, but please e-mail me and then I'll have your address so I can send you the data.
You can't make it language-agnostic; language names, party names, the neighbours field, the very article title are language-dependent. We'll make it in English with an easy way of converting to other languages. (For instance, I have in my mind the algorithm to convert the twelve language fields to my preferred afrikaans 91%, inglês 5%, xhosa 2%, sesotho 2% format. See? Language-dependent.)
My data has no districts; just metro and local municipalities.
By the way, how interesting that you are from PMB; I thought you were from the Cape. The reason for my interest in South Africa lies right there in Maritzburg - by the banks of the Duzi, to be more precise. [3] -- Tintazul msg 22:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Small world indeed!
It is a small world! A Rocha works with DUCT all right, see the 2005 Annual Review (PDF) or Making the connection in South Africa in the latest international news. I've been working with A Rocha for a few years now (web site), have met the SA nat'l director, and when my logo proposal was accepted I took a particular interest in your country. Which led me the the SA Municipalities project!
If you're in the Cape and enjoy the outdoors (all South Africans do, or so I'm told), you should know that one of the board members of ARSA is Conservation Area Manager for the City of Cape Town, based at Rondevlei. -- Tintazul msg 22:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Demographics
Hi, Finally got around to doing some graphs. Actually used excel - it can save png file (who would have guessed). Before I upload the lot - have a look at Thabo Mofutsanyane District Municipality. Also got the new stats Sa data aligned to the new boundaries. --Uxejn 21:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Weasel words - Volkstaat article
Kierano, will you please assist in identifying the weasel words for whom you put a tag on the Volkstaat page. We need to work to lift the tag as it impairs the value the article has for users, even though the standard of the article has been raised quite substantially since it's inception. --Gemsbok1 08:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Caught in an autoblock
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[edit] Mhlanga River in Natal
I created the Huberta, the hippopotamus page and I managed to find the Umgeni river but couldn't find the Mhlanga River. Does it have a different name/spelling?--Moonlight Mile 07:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Your vote please
Hi Kierano - Please vote on the proposed title change of the 'South African farmer murders' page. The straw poll is here. Please also pass this message on to others you think would be interested. Thank you! Cheers, Jason Lionchow - Talk 21:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Crime Expo South Africa
Your contributions to the Crime Expo South Africa article will be appreaciated.--222.155.16.224 10:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] South African films
Hi!! Please can you help fill in the List of South African films I am afraid it will be up for afd. I and a few other users are trying to fill the lists by country in. If you can add the details on the films already on wikipedia in year order from Category:SOuth African films and any others you know of from notable directors etc that would be a great help for WP Film sand South Africa!. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E" 16:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikimania 2007
Hi Kierano
Wikimania 2007, which is being held in Taipei, Taiwan on August 3-5, is offering opportunities for travel scholarships to Wikimania for active users of Wikimedia projects from the continent of Africa. Although the original scholarship deadline has passed, please, if you are interested, you may still apply at http://wm07schols.wikimedia.org/apply.php. Sincerely yours, Cary Bass 20:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] *Keels over laughing*
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The Oddball Barnstar | |
| "The fact that this page is under heavy discussion on its talk page is under heavy discussion on its talk page." It's funny because it's so, so utterly true! Kizor 15:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC) |
Thanks. The page kinda needed a little humour, I guess. *rolls eyes* -Kieran 15:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it did. In the early stages I kept trying to lighten the mood by lapsing into non-sequiturs such as thanking all participants for helping improve my grasp of English, but that fell by the wayside a long time ago as [RANT OMITTED]! Anyway, thanks. --Kizor 15:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Medcab
I sorry, but no. The pro-spoiler side of this debate has gone far too deep into the land of incivility and personal attacks for me to be able to mediate in good faith. My position is simple, and has been explained at sufficient length that I feel no need to articulate it yet again for the benefit of a bunch of people who have, by this point, made it abundantly clear that they prefer edit wars to rational discourse. Phil Sandifer 20:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Your recent edits
Hi, I see you have been a Wikipedian for about twice as long as I have, but I have only recently noticed some of your latest edits. I am also resident in South Africa and I think we share similar ideas on Wikipedia. I am currently building a bridge on the Xuka River, so you should find that interesting. Here the little Xhosa girls still collect firewood and the boys bring in the mielie harvest by donkey. Gregorydavid 05:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Geobox river and landmark
Hi, I've given your suggestion some more thought and I added extra field(s) named landmark. It gets displayed under the City/Cities, the default label being Landmark(s). It can be indexed, currently up to 15 landmarks can be listed. Hope you find this satisfactory. If you have any further questions/suggestions, feel free to write. – Caroig (talk) 18:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Misleading edit summary
Your most recent edit summary on Wikipedia: Spoiler is rather misleading - it suggests that the edit Tony reverted just added the date. It did not. Please be careful not to make misleading edit summaries, as they are often considered disruptive. Phil Sandifer 00:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- I reviewed the edit in question (this one, right?), and I don't see it as "misleading." I see it as critizing Phil's action, and perhaps not assuming good faith on Phil's part. Phil's warning to you is probably a reaction to your comment "Phil's weasel-ish 'in the past'...." Suggest you try to keep comments about other editors out of your Edit Summary text. ;) David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 13:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] River
1. I am trying. At present I started with the rivers in Romania, where I worked for some time, to see how a system can be developed to be generalized for other countries.
2. I am willing to help, just let me know what you intend to do.
3. The main problem with rivers is that the general information is relatively poor. It is therefore important to have decent mapt which present the rivers. Most contemporary maps concentrate on roads and administrative divisions and neglect rivers. The maps should be as detailed as possible showing also small tributaries not only the big rivers.
4. It would be useful to find out if there are any government agencies in charge of waters and if they have an inventory of the rivers. This could be a good start to find out what is available.
5. I consider a sytematic approach is required. Just finding a river and writing an article about it does not fill the gap.
6. Let's keep in touch to decide how we go on further.
Regards.Afil 02:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Again about rivers
Sorry for the delay. I went through the files zou suggested, but the various files just contain some data about different cross-sections. I was not able to finalize anything and it is for not having tried. Maybe there is a way to consolidate the various files in a single table, and find a way to link it to the maps. The maps show the network but not the names of the rivers. That is not very useful. I would like to make some progress and am therefore waiting for suggestions.Afil
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[edit] Hemlock
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[edit] Wikimania 2008 in Cape Town
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[edit] Capitalization
This is something that ought to have a wider audience so I have copied your text from the Talk:Battle of Waterloo to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital_letters)#Military terms. --Philip Baird Shearer 06:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I had not seen your earlier paragraph or I would have directed the conversation there. People like to solve real problems not hypothetical ones, so being able to show then two contrary suggestions on the same talk page of such a famous battle helps to concentrate minds. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks!
Thanks Kierano for the courteous welcome (as opposed to others) — much appreciated! Bmpdragon 10:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Geobox 2
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[edit] Andrieux: Waterloo
Hi Kierano, I've updated the information on Commons. For a detailed description of the image please have a look at Contexte historique, Analyse de l’image, Interprétation by L’Histoire par l’image. --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC) P.S. By the way: a good source for pictures is Joconde, a catalogue of the collection of french museums (where you'll also find Andrieux's painting)
[edit] re: Battle of Waterloo FAC
Thanks for your message. I'd love to copy-edit this and will try to make the time for it. I reckon it will take about 10-15 hours so it will have to be done piecemeal, spread over a couple of weeks. I have some of the sources but would prefer to concentrate on style as delving for references is very time-consuming. Easiest and best is to do it section by section with people who know the sources checking that nothing significant has been up on the cutting room floor. The lead should be done last, just before nomination so that it reflects the final shape of the article. Does this suit you? --ROGER DAVIES talk 22:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Battle of Waterloo
Hullo Kierano, thanks for the link. If the copyright has expired, and the images are in the public domain, we can probably find reproductions in other places. I'll have a look at the talk now. Ceoil (talk) 21:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
