Talk:Kief

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[edit] Kiefer

My surname is Kiefer-I always thought it was the coolest name.

That is a very cool name HighInBC 20:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if you mind at all that as a name for smokable cannabis product generally, the similar Riefer has been proposed as a replacement for the not-so-American-looking reefer (which was damaged by its association with "madness" in a cynical movie title of the 30's). Rhymes with "briefer" (someone who reads the morning papers and reports to the President). Your morning toke stirs your associative memory and valid important relevant data are reported to you by the magic of organic processes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokerdesigner (talk • contribs) 20:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kief is a type of hashish

there is a section on kief on the Hashish article, perhaps this page should be incoorperated into the Hashish page and this page redirect to it. Anyone object to this? HighInBC 23:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I know that hash can be made from kief but I'm not sure that kief doesn't deserve its own article. In fact, kief was on the list of encyclopedic topics that wikipedia needs, so I'd say there is good evidence that no merge should be done. Triddle 15:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm as far as I know the only thing that can differentiate keif from hashish is that sometimes keif is not pressed into a lump... however I still think it is hashish even if left in powder form. How do you define the difference between hashish and keif? HighInBC 16:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't really have one, but a lot of articles do link directly to kief which I think indicates it is being thought of separately from hash. I would also think (and it may not be proper) that hash has a wider definition than just pressed kief (soapbar for example). Lastly, people are known to sprinkle kief on their bowls where I'm from and hash is not nearly as common. I really think kief stands to have its own article. Triddle 18:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I am not going to change anything, but I will post a request for comments about this in the Hashish talk page. Please feal free to participate in the discussion there. HighInBC 18:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
From my experience, the term kief is reserved exclusively for unpressed trichromes ("crystals", "powder"), whereas hash involves some sort of preparation (i.e. pressing or rolling). I still think the two articles should be merged under Hash, though, with kief given its own subsection, ideally somewhere near the top of the page.
Why? There are articles for water, steam, and ice. With logic like this, steam and ice should be merged into water. Triddle 16:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
No Merge - Kief is totally different from hashish. Hashish is the extracted THC mixed with some pressed plant matter. It is dark brown and of a gummy, almost tacky consistency. Kief is the THC crystals which has fallen off of the marijuana plant, is usually lightly colored and comes in powder form. They are completely different. Zelmerszoetrop 14:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

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Kief is not a type of hash. Kief is the crystals shaken off the buds while hash is an extract. They're two seperate things. If anything, the part on kief in the hash section should be merged with this article.Calibas 00:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

i agree that no merge should be made. kief is not hashish, and vice versa. Strawberryfire 13:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


Kief is definitely not hash! Although it can be used as a raw material for making it, smoking keif is just not smoking hash. A mention of kief in hash making is adequite enough. Matt 07:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Kief is to hash as cocoa is to chocolate. also Kief has differant meanings in some areas (I live in renfrew county, ontario, here it means crap shakey weed) so a merger would eliminate any possibility of including other regional meanings--Matt D 16:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of merging

There is a discussion at the Hashish article about merging various hash based articles into Hashish. The discussion has mention this article so I am linking it. Here is the link: Talk:Hashish#Proposed_merge_from_Butane_hash_oil_and_Hash_oil HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced

I am going to go through this in a day or so and remove much of the unreferenced material. As it is this article does not meet WP:V. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 17:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PICTURE

I just added this and it showed up but then was gone seconds later...wtf?

Anyway what I posted was, does the photo really need a red circle drawn around the kief? The kief is the focal point of the picture. Is there a danger we might confuse the keif with the guy's finger or something? Maybe it's just me but that looks dumb and I laughed.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.244.58.120 (talk • contribs).

We could definitely use a better picture. I don't see any image activity in the article history or your user contrib history so maybe you are doing something wrong or an error occoured with wikipeidia, try again. -- Diletante 18:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh, just gather some up again, and get closer. Focus in on the crystals. =) Secondly, someone define the bottle toke method on the page, or make it's own page, or link it to 'methods of utilizing pot' or something. I don't know what it is, although I can take a guess that it's something I once did in many a forests around my neighbourhood as a kid. If I don't know, I'm sure there must be many others who probably don't. 74.12.10.186 23:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture 2 Hashish

I have also posted a picture on this site and it was deleted almost a day later.. I dont know who thinks they run this site but it is a public site.. i believe my picture was much better than "kief on parchment paper" that picture doesnt even look like kief.. as for merging this page into hashish, kief is not hashish it is much purer and gets you way higher.. so ya im gunna post my picture again and it better not be removed or i will have to talk to the moderators or somethin.. anybody who knows what kief is knows its far different than hash and should always have its own page.. I also dont agree with people erasing my contributions on this page as I am a very big pothead and this site is very useful when describing what kief/ tees are and how to get it.

I removed your picture because it was very blurry and low resolution. It was even worse than the one we have currently. Yes this is a public site so you might try proposing changes on the talk page before making them. Also anyone who has made hash (rather than just buy it) will tell you that hash is made from trichomes just as kief is (search around on the internet and see for yourself), I am not going to argue about that. I also take issue with your coffee grinder addition because any such preperation would include much shredded plant material in addidtion to the trichomes. -- Diletante 15:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok I will take a better quality picture.. I know how hash is made but the quality of hash depends on how much plant matter is in the hash.. most good hash is 70-80% pure thc.. kief is much purer closer to 90-95%.. i agree the method is almost identical but the high is way different and i still believe it is completely different and deserves its own page.. the coffee grinder method works the best because it is gradual build up resulting in almost 100% thc.. TRY IT

[edit] Hippie crack?

Anyone else hear it called this? That's what I know it as in BC. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.67.76.197 (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC). Nah, Hippe Crack is wippitz.

[edit] Stop

I have recently re added my contributions to this page i would appreciate it if you people would stop changing it please.. almost nobody has stated their sources so whatever i want my own tee page but im not allowed so stop changing my stuff

You are right that nothing is sourced here. BUT if we allow local slang and practices there is no end to how big this article could grow. There are probably thousands of ways that people consume kief and thousands more slang terms. If you want to share your smoking techniques with others I can recommend several cannabis discussion forums. -- Diletante 15:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Manufacturing

The Kief article presently mentions brushing buds against a screen, but that raises the question, why aren't we breaking the buds down to a consistent particle size smokable in a low-burning-temperature utensil? Must tons of THC be wasted by continuing the "tradition" of hot-burning overdose "joint", "blunt", big bowls etc.? Point is, the non-kief part of the bud material, while of somewhat lower value, can and should be smoked as caringly as the trichomes themselves, though possibly at a different time and place.

Either in this kief article or in one covering cannabis smoking overall, the following detailed procedure ought to be recommended, in the interest of health and sobriety:

[edit] Break buds with fingers

Rub and grind over a strainer, enough to remove all loose material from hard woody stems which are gathered to use in making tea.

[edit] First sifting: 16-shake

Shake the loose material in a 1/16th-inch (1.6 mm) (16-Mesh) strainer until nothing further goes through. The container receiving the finer material is labeled 16-Shake.

[edit] Second sifting: 16-grind

Grind through most of the material which remained in the strainer after removing the Shake. Gather this in a container labeled 16-Grind.

[edit] Optional third sifting: 16-late grind

Grind all you can of the last remaining difficult material, which will contain some small woody stem bits. Gather in container labeled 16-Late Grind. If you don't have much money you may want to save this for tokes when you run out of better stuff, otherwise it's tea.

[edit] Real Pot (don't smoke)

Whatever remains in the strainer after all three siftings goes in the TEA POT (stems) or in the FLOWER POT (seeds if any).

[edit] Sifting out the kief (finally)

In two or three final siftings, shake each of the above labeled fractions in a 30- to 40-Mesh kiefsifter (wire or silk as mentioned in Article, doesn't matter). The 30- or 40-Shake that emerges will be close to pure kief. (Combining these two or three kief-fractions is no big deal, there will be few enough tokes anyway unless you are a rich man.)

[edit] Where, when, what

For all smoking, use the same 1/4"/6-mm. i.d. screened-crater low-burning-temperature type of utensil, with a long flexible extension tube (to be fancy you might use the type found on middle-eastern hookahs).

Keep the high quality kief by your bedside, in your office desk or wherever you have leisure to smoke carefully, rebreathe numerous times with a rebreather (1-liter bag or sack), and clear the screen windows after each toke with a big safety pin.

Use the 16-Shake if you are at a party and want to serve numerous tokes in a hurry. It won't clog the screen as much as the kief.

Carry a small can of the 16-Grind with you in case you experience a sudden social necessity to share some of your herb with a not very trustworthy person.--User talk:Tokerdesigner 21:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More discussion of why this is so important:

See Wikiversity Discussion: Bioethics and tobacco [[1]], Smoking cessation [[2]].

That all sounds like a how to guide, which doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia. That's my toke anyway. ;) IvoShandor (talk) 12:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)