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[edit] Çatlı

Did you read my reply? I think we can work together for the article. With respect, Deliogul 20:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UNlock Page Armenia

Entry 'Armenia' contains inaccurate information in the section of 'Antiquity'. It should be opened to the editing. For example, information about Urartu's ethnic composition. Urartu and its people is not identical to Armenians at all. Armenians belong to the group of Indo-European people while Urartu is of Hurrit family from Caucasian group of Languages (See: Diakonov I.M., Starostin S.A. Hurro-Urartian as an Eastern Caucasian Languages. Münchener Studien zur Sprachwissenschaft, R. Kitzinger, München, 1986.)

[edit] Warning

One warning was enough, kiddo. If you keep messing around with my user page, it could be considered vandalism, or at the very least, a sign that you have too much time on your hands. Technajunky 05:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Put a protection on the Armenia site the guy is going to keep putting that Turkey information and imagesArarat arev 21:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC) On my talk page, you said: "I have some concerns of this comment of yours. It violates WP:NPA, in the sense that we shouldn't really be discussing other editors in this manner. I'm not quite sure what it proved by pointing out people's blocks logs, and such comments can only sidetrack the discussion. In fact, it was quite provocative. Please don't make such comments like that again. Violations of WP:NPA and Wikipedia:Harassment are considered a very serious matter—and usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time. Khoikhoi 02:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Noted, however I strongly disagree with your assessment; such comments are justified in this particular context. In a RfC the topic of discussion is the editor who is subject to the RfC, but it is also relevant and sometimes even necessary to discuss the past behaviour of the other contributing editors. ´
WP:NPA states: "Remarks describing an editor's actions and made without involving their personal character should not be construed as personal attacks."
WP:STALK states: "This does not include [..] reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason."
Finally, WP:RFC states: "An RfC may bring close scrutiny on all involved editors".
If you had contributed to that RfC I would have examined your block log in the same manner that I examined every other editor who contributed to that RfC. I would also have mentioned my own block log if it contained any items.
However, I do agree that outside of a RfC such comments would be considered inappropriate, since talk pages in Wikipedia are provided in order to discuss improvements in an article (which might be why you have reacted so strongly as to actually issue a warning).
On a more general note: the entire process of a Request for Comment regarding a user could be regarded as a violation of WP:NPA, WP:Harassment, and also quite provocative. --Oden 05:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that you have placed a sign on this talk page that you are {{busy}}, yet your contributions show multiple edits after that. You have stated that my behaviour "usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time", which is a very serious allegation in my opinion. I am assuming good faith in your failure to respond both on my talk page and yours, but I am also starting to become concerned about your lack of response. If you feel that the warning left on my talk page was not justified you could consider striking it (<s> and </s>).--Oden 06:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, you're not busy, just lazy (diff). My concern was that you were quite verbal when you wrote the warning. I think I understand your reason for a lack of response though, and I will let the matter rest. Sincerely, --Oden 06:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Your input on this thread would still be valued. Was the original warning justified? --Oden 12:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • The matter has been resolved. --Oden 17:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response

On my talk page User:Irpen has written: "I think the warning is way too soft but the dismissive response from this particular user was only to be expected. His disrputing the user conduct RfC with trollish remarks totally unrelated to the subject in question is pure trolling as well as endless discussions the user conducts very much in line with WP:DFTT#Pestering. The defence above with selective citing policies that obviously do not apply to the user's behavior is not even worthy a responce. --Irpen 06:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Since you wrote the original comment, I would now strongly urge you to strike it out if you believe it is inappropriate. Othwerwise I would strongly urge you to elaborate on it. Please respond. --Oden 06:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let the matter rest. No hard feelings on my part. Sincerely, --Oden 06:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks, harrassment, baiting and pestering by user:Oden

User:Irpen has writte the following on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks.2C_harrassment.2C_baiting_and_pestering_by_user:Oden: "User Oden (talk · contribs) has been recently involved exclusive in a controversial activity of challenging selected by him users attacking their images. I put aside for now the issue of the interpretation of the WP:FU policy as good people obviously disagree in good faith on the policy interpretation as well as the policy itself. However, even if one chooses to take upon himself such a sensitive task as implementing a policy for the good of Wikipedia, such task can only be taken with utmost sensitivity to other editors. With a couple of other editors joining what many perceived as a disruptive crusade in whose process the worst attitudes were displayed, several editors opened a Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali against one of such crusaders. Notably, the RfC is not about the policy or implementing an unpopular policy but about the unacceptable attitude and abusive Harassment."

"Shortly after, user:Oden posted to the RfC this disgusting attack directed at all the involved editors bringing all sorts of unrelated issues that had no relation to what the RfC was about thus substituting tackling the issue with attacking the opponents. And hour or so ago Admin:Khoikhoi (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights) who was not involved in the dispute in any way gave Oden a (rather soft IMO) warning reminding of WP:NPA and WP:Harassment policies. Reaction of user:Oden was this barrage of irregular stuff."

"When I commented on his response as being lacking the substance, Oden responded by a series of entries [1][2][3] where he baits Khoikhoi and brings up another barrage of irrelevant stuff (see also WP:DFTT#Pestering)."

"Third party input is requested. --Irpen 07:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

You wrote the original warning, so I would really appreciate it if you could provide some input. I appreciate the fact that you are a serious and valuable contributor to Wikipedia. I will take any positive suggestions from you on how I can improve my contributions to Wikipedia to heart. --Oden 10:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks ...

... for your comments here. I did not know that he had once again reported me. I've tried to explain why I believe he is stalking me. I hope that comment helps to settle down the conflict.

Tājik 16:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khoikhoi is a clown

This guy is a fucking clown. I urge all users to make appropriate actions so this guy gets out off here fast!. As for me koink koink, I ll always be there to correct your mistakes193.92.232.149 21:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. NinaEliza 07:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Nina, you're supposed to put the warning on the attacker's talk page..--Vercalos 07:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I did. I thought I was supposed to put it here as well to let KhoiKhoi know that it was done, and he could remove it at his leisure. I actually read that I could remove it, but that didn't seem right for me to do. In any case, I apologize. NinaEliza 07:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Putting it here is good. At least I know now how to handle these kind of incident when it happens. -- drybittermelon (talk．contribs) 09:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockul nou lui Kaltsef

Odor5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)--Euthymios 21:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW when does Kaltsef get his permaban? Mywayyy already had his by now. Kaltsef has more socks (both as anon IPs and accounts) than Mywayyy ever had - can't we get a range block or something?--Euthymios 21:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] recent problem

Khoikhoi I am kind of pissed of because the article has been a bloody propaganda piece. it dosent fall near to an article at all. When ever a turk makes a change you are ready to do a revert and sometimes with really rude explenations like "nice try". But people such as clevelander remove simlest data like "also some western historians say no genocide". Recently Clevelander removed my document adits and some peoples comments in the talk page no one is there to revert or warn him. Fadix returned again with insults and attacks no one took time to warn him. is writing insults in latin makes them less of an insult.. if so let me know. Arent you the only admin active in these pages. Why are you only active agains our actions. Also I know you thought "maybe" only some Armenians rebelled check out my latest adits taken from Western newspapers. Originals are posted as well. if you are interested.neurobio 22:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


Clevelander doesnt stop vandalism. inorder to hide the newspapers I posted he first deleted them. I reverted. Now he archived it but after cleaning up my edits and posts ofcourse.

[edit] Another request

Could you speedy delete the following articles and categories that I made?:

  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia/Article assessment
  • Category:FA-Class Armenia articles
  • Category:A-Class Armenia articles
  • Category:GA-Class Armenia articles
  • Category:B-Class Armenia articles
  • Category:Start-Class Armenia articles
  • Category:Stub-Class Armenia articles
  • Category:Non-article Armenia pages
  • Category:Unassessed Armenia articles
  • Category:Top-importance Armenia articles
  • Category:High-importance Armenia articles
  • Category:Mid-importance Armenia articles
  • Category:Low-importance Armenia articles
  • Category:Unknown-importance Armenia articles
  • Category:Non-article Armenia pages
  • Category:Armenia articles by quality
  • Category:Armenia articles by importance
  • Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Armenia articles by quality
  • Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Armenia articles by quality/1
  • Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Armenia articles by quality/2
  • Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Armenia articles by quality log
  • Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Armenia articles by quality statistics

It's too much trouble to maintain the ratings system. I think WikiProject Armenia would be better off without it. -- Clevelander 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) -- Clevelander 01:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your User Page

Is beautiful. If you took the picture, you do excellent work. NinaEliza 07:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

All those beautiful faces...thank you.
I saw your "friend" above - I'm trying to find the appropriate template to place on his talk page - I think I have it.NinaEliza 07:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Lesson 1(well, the third actually): see block log first!

I should have known that you knew what you were doing. I keep a few things I find hilarious on my talk page as well;). NinaEliza 08:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey you crypto-WP:ROUGE admin!

Why did you indef block WP:SOCK-ef? How are we supposed to have fun now? :-) Check this out, it appears you have more work to do... NikoSilver 12:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Khoi, thanks for the info, no problem on my part. I'm only concerned now that the Greek Secret Service has been informed I'm a sockpuppet of yours, they will want to cut both our wages. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
You conveniently forgot "bastard"! :-) NikoSilver 23:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More vandalism and insults by User:NisarKand

Take a look at this user and his edits: [4]. He has been reported for an IP check [5]. Other sockpuppets have been blocked. Please protect my talk-page and user-page against vandalism. Thanks. Tājik 15:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ... However, there are new (or old?!) problems in the comming. User:E104421 has created a parallel-article to Hephthalites in White Huns (which should usually redirect to "Hephthalites") because he does not like the new information and sources added to the Hephthalites article. His version also opposes and contradicts the opinion of User:Sikandarji who is an Oxford academic specialized on Central Asian history. See the talk pages. Tājik 18:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • (unintending) If you are to compromise, i recommend you to compare the different versions. Tajik invited Sikandarji, but disputed Sikandarji's compromise version. I reverted to Sikandarji's version, but Tajik again edited/reverted to his favorite version see this. I invite you to compare the Sikandarji's, Tajik's and E104421's versions. You'll see what's going on. For the White Huns article which was started by Zestauferov on 1 October 2003 (16:15), the information was taken from Britannica and Columbia Encyclopedia, and the links to the references were provided. You can check White Huns article which is factually more accurate and neutral than Tajik's Hephthalites. I agree with Sikandaji's last version (Revision as of 15:12, 9 November 2006 by Sikandarji) for the Hephthalites article see this. If you want to go into, please check the Turkic peoples article, too. Tajik removed the sourced information and references. He is simply removing/deleting everything providing information on Turkic people, culture, ... and replacing them with Persian. I can provide more examples to his edits. Just take a neutral look. I'll be waiting for your reply. We can discuss the issue in more detail. Regards E104421 19:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Once again, you are trying to distract the others, E104421. You claim to support Sikandarji's version (since he is an expert on the toppic), but in reality, you are not supporting his views at all. In fact, you openly reject and ignore them. Just take a look at what Sikandarji told you on the discussion: [6][7]. Yet, you openly ignore his advices and now even pretend to be a supporter of Sikandarji. I would like to point out one paragraph of Sikandarji's writing:
  • "... Finally, I agree with you that there is no consensus over the origins of the Hephthalites, although as we see above scholarship is moving towards a theory of their Iranian origin, based on the scant available sources. Enoki's article is old: it is interesting because he writes that he hopes further research will be done and new sources uncovered, and that is precisely what Tremblay has done. As this is published (and in this case available online as a reference) this does not count as "original research" and can therefore be referred to in the article. ..."
You are ignoring this in ALL of your edits - especially in your latest try to create a parallel-article in White Huns in which you only push for old and unreliable POV which totally ignores newer sources and research-outcomes. As for Turkic peoples: I only reverted the version that was previously restored by Khoikhoi himself! --> [8] You were the one who changed Khoikhoi's version, restoring a wrong and disputed version [9] Tājik 21:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • This is simply not true. I always reverted to Sikandarji's version. For the discussion page, i always have a right to declare my statements. You should not mix the edits in the discussion pages with ones in the articles. E104421 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • For the Turkic people article, Khoikhoi reverted because of vandalism. You already deleted the sourced information before Khoikhoi's revert. You're misleading people. Furthermore, you're using Khoikhoi's admin status to push your version as clearly seen here E104421 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Juro

Could you please tell Juro to calm down and stop calling me a liar and extreme nationalist. I would be very, very happy. Thanks! --Öcsi 20:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you help me? --Öcsi 20:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

What?! He call you a fascist too! This is unbelievable! Wouldn't it be better if we ignored him both? --Öcsi 20:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Already done! [10] Öcsi

You could add the attacks against you too. --Öcsi 20:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Put Protection

Put the Protection as you see there is vandalism Ararat arev 21:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi is this "Gevork Nazaryan armenianhighland.com copyright © 1997-2006" ok for Copyright pictures? Ararat arev 21:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)Ararat arev 21:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:NKH's Reoccuring Edits of User talk:Jimbo Wales

Hello Khoikhoi, NKH apparently re-edited his comments on Jimbo Wales talk page yet again. However, so as not to cause edit wars, I left the message alone and contributed a clear statement regarding how these accusations are unfounded as well as the fact that NKH's only contributions have been regarding this matter. I sincerely wish that you have a better Wikipedia week ahead and that you do not have to face any more false accusations in the near future.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 23:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] my Israel map

Thanks for the heads up :) --Golbez 02:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My userpage

Thanks for the revert:-)--Fuhghettaboutit 03:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inappropriate external links?

Khoikhoi, why do you blame my links as inappropriate and advertising? Please discuss it in context of the specific link, not in general. I cannot accept, that you blame me for spamming without taking a closer look on the links, I've added. Again, my statement:

  1. I'm not linking a wiki, I'm linking specific articles within the wiki (that's a difference! I'm not saying: hey, take a look at this cool wiki, but I'm linking to a page with additional informations)
  2. The linked articles contain content which is out of scope for wikipedia, but there are additional and useful informations, that are interesting for some of the readers.
  3. These links are much more relevant to a topic that many other links.
  4. Also other users considered these links as useful (see Los Gigantes).

Please, let us clarify this case, at the moment it is annoying for both of us.

So, why is the link at Smögen inappropriate? It links to additional informations, interesting for boating. --Pschrey 07:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Khoikhoi, would you please discuss, why the link, you've removed from article Smögen, is not conform to WP:EL in your opinion? If not, please retract the accusation for spamming on my talk-page. It is very important to me to get this point clear. Thank you, --Pschrey 07:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello Again

Hello Khoikhoi, seems you're not the only member of that organisation you mentioned :P. Poor User:Euthymios is now under fire. I think it would not hurt to semi-protect the userpage for now....¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 09:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Whoops, seems like a minute before I sent this message you had already applied one!¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 09:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaltsef

Do you have a sub-page or something for these? [11] [12] NikoSilver 11:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose we'll have to. Tag'em when you see'em. Block is a different issue, but at least we'll know. NikoSilver 11:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Am I allowed/encouraged to do this? NikoSilver 11:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll start then, hope I don't miss much. Substing noted. Sweet dreams. NikoSilver 11:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transnistria

Every edit I have ever made has been reverted

The Transnistria page is pure Romanian/ Moldova Secret Service Prpoganda. As a major voice of Transnistria here I have not been allowed a single edit here nor has an other Transnistrian editor. Frankly. it is a sad when they will not allow the Transnistrian voice to have a single word on the main page. Currently It is pure lies and propganda. They agree things and then delete the parts of the agreement they don't like. The link to tiraspoltimes was voted on and is always removed . TSOID removed it again today. We have proven the Terrorism word is not true. But the Romanian Secret Service types just flaunt the rules and plough in their edits and insert Terrorism even though it is clearly not true. . The Independence Referendum is always deleted and the section is deliberately written in a highly confusing manner. The first day I arrived in Transnistria I was told be a senior person that The Moldovans treat the Transnistrians like animals and this Transnistrian page on Wiki is an example of the pure bombastic nature of the Moldovan/Romanian people here that refuse to allow the Transnistrians have a say on there own site. There is three views possible; ours, yours, and how things are. Here thr page is currentlly entirely yours. We want to turn it not to ours but to how things really are. This we are denied. Sadly for you we are Free and will remain free, we are in a position of strenght and this you cannot see. The current tactic is to strangle and starve the Transnistrian people into submission. Treat them like animlas like the Americans treated the indians in the west in the 1850s. When this fails. How can we ever meet in the middle. One place we can currently co-operate togather is here. So far I have not been allowed to insert one single work on the main page as it is defended the the Romanian Sectret Service types. Until there is mutual respect we can abandon hope, Surely it is in your interest to work together, to find common threads? Or am I dealing with pure hatred here ? No effort is ever made to reach compromise. Perhaps I am wasting my time trying. Maybe we are never meant to work together and have respect. Does anyone have any idea how to reach out to the other side. I have tried so many times. Currently you have me. I can leave it if you want. Have your honourless proaganda site and I can go...... and what then. ...Mark us street Dec4th 2006. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mark us street (talk • contribs) 15:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Many editors in Transnistria-related articles are against the disruptive behaviour of Mark us street, who broke again the 3RR today, making 7 reverts (please apply the rule). He is like a Transnistrian Bonaparte.--MariusM 15:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
MariusM et-al has never allowed me make a single edit on the main page, He thinks this is fair, He monitors my movements and reverts every single line, every day, every week.He sees this as his job to ensure Transnistria has no voice on its own page,, Did not breal 3RR rule only reverted twice but edited seven times. I am desperately seeking compromise but MariusM sees no need because the fact I do not have a single word on the main page proves his tactics are working. they try to muzzle the truth and just rubblsh Transnistria to the point I cannot recognise the place I live on its own page. Mark us streetDec 4th.
I would just note that the article had been locked for quite some time (for good reason) and there is not much point in changing it (especially the intro) once unlocked since Mark insists the PMR is an independent country, albeit unrecognized for the time being, moreover, needing protection by Russian peacekeepers on the border to protect them from the belicose Moldovans attempting to "starve them" into submission. I, nor most of the participants, have any desire to be drawn into an edit war. I have currently suggested a neutral intro on the Talk:Transnistria page that accurately and as simply as possible states the historical facts with no judgement on what they mean or interpretation of what the PMR should be considered. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 19:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "not respond swiftly to queries"....?

...seems to be an understatement. Look at this:

  • 17:09, 4 December 2006 Srtrwe4555 (Talk | contribs | block) (New user account)
  • 17:14, 4 December 2006 Srtrwe4555 (Talk | contribs | block) ({banned})
  • 17:15, 4 December 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs | block) m (Reverted edits by Srtrwe4555 (talk) to last version by Duja) [rollback]
  • 17:15, 4 December 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Srtrwe4555 (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (sockpuppet of banned user Kaltsef)

Life expectancy down to 6 minutes. Khoi, you're decidedly too fast for the rest of us. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

always quick to come back to me and helpful too where possible Mark us street Dec

[edit] Khoikhoi

Thank you for your response. Could you leave your reponse to Jimbo Wales's talk page next time, b/c I am really disgusted by your comments on my talk page. NKH 18:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Could you explain why you remove this picture Image:Steatopygia.jpg from the Khoikhoi article? Also how can you have your talk page protected. Aren't you an administrator? Shouldn't people talk to you? NKH 18:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm curious why do you remove the above picture which actually relevant to the contents of the article. There is another picture left Image:NSRW Africa Hottentot.png. This one actully is irrelevant. You should remove this one instead. Could you give some explanation? NKH 22:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transnistrian Intro

This is still unresolved. I am easy to deal with here. All I want is that Transnistria is refered to as an unrecognised country in keeping with the rest of Wikipedia. I suggest we be scientific about it and say Transnistria is a 'de-facto' unrecognised country and 'de-jure' region of Moldova. Is there anyone out there can reasonably say this is not an accurate description of the country and its status. The problem is I need someone like you to suggest some compromise. The current Intro is innacurate and misleading. Please do not wash your hands here. Mark us street Dec5th

No agreement about this. Current description - a region in Moldova which declared its independence - is accurate and stayed in the article for long time. Only after the aparition of Mark us street this question was opened, against the will of the majority of editors.--MariusM 07:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Hey

I've filled up the list here: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Kaltsef. They are all confirmed IPs of Kaltsef since they revert to adding their known cabal text in all of us. I found them from our talk history pages.

Care to excercize your blocking powers, or is there a range block we could have? NikoSilver 10:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh my God! doesn't Kaltsef have anything better to do than vandalising our pages? too many sockpuppets! perhaps only Bonaparte beats him in that;-) Hectorian 12:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bonaparte!!!!

Bonaparte has appeared on the german wikipedia! Please help me! --Öcsi 15:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Jidan

Jidan has posted on WP:AN/I on his own initiative. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars. Beit Or 15:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map of Israel - Request for Consensus

In an effort to head off WP:3RR action, I am inviting discussion about the Map of the Districts of Israel. Thanks in advance for participating.

And on a personal note, I'm sorry to make an issue out of this, Image:SUpset.gif but if we have the history of the discussions properly documented on the Talk page, we can (hopefully) avoid future unpleasantness. --Eliyahu S Talk 16:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert on Tiraspol

There is a dispute over the content of Tiraspol. After my edits were removed by User:William_Mauco on the reason "rv rubbish", I added {{content}}.

User:Francis_Tyers had removed the template and undisputed information before I edited the discussion page. I reverted but you revert it back.

Mabe you could also mediate the dispute on Tiraspol, or, at least post your oppinion on Talk:Tiraspol.Dl.goe 17:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Username

So with all this mumbo jumbo about your username, let me ask, why did you choose to call yourself after a race of repressed Africans, when, in fact, you're not African? BTW, lol on chris calling you a woman. I hate it when that happens. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 17:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

See User talk:NKH#Explanation. Also, the Khoikhoi were not a race, just an ethnic group. There were the cousins of the Bushmen, who you might know from the move The Gods Must Be Crazy. Yeah, I guess "Pat" is somewhat of a gender neutral name...is it a he or she? It's Pat. ;-) Khoikhoi 17:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
lol, it never occurred to me that someone who get me confused. No, it's most definitely he. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 17:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism to a post of yours

User:A Link to the Past reverted your result on the 3RRR-page JackSparrow Ninja 03:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Koavf

I'm curious about the change from "Indefinite Block "to "Banned User". When did that happen? Where is it documented? I'm not particularly complaining - I had some run-ins with him over some really stupid AWB edits he made, but I am curious what took him from the one sanction to the other. Argyriou (talk) 04:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Request

Khoikhoi wrote:

Come back! :-( Khoikhoi 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Er... my last edit was some 49 minutes previous. I have no intention of "going" anywhere. If this is about IRC, I've decided that continuing to use it would be going against my whole attitude towards this project – to focus on low-level maintenance and avoid becoming involved in disputes, no matter what – Gurch 06:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Someone has taken it upon himself to remove all instances of the "Armenian Genocide" template from the relevant pages, claiming it is "highly disputable". I see no disputes on the template talk, and I feel that such a bold action needs consensus first. I'll start reverting, but please let me know if there's a discussion I overlooked. Thanks. yandman 08:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be a tfd discussion? -Patstuarttalk|edits 09:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Romanian Nationalism

I think we need to cut away at the "28 million" mark once and for all. There is no evidence whatsoever that the number of ethnic Romanians (no matter how far-stretched the inclusion) exist in the world today. Horvat Den 08:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide

Is it you again?:) This time, I don't have much time to argue, besides, I don't have much evidence with me. I will be arguing later if I can find enough clues. Allright, but I will ask you a personal question. Would you object, if I translate the Turkish wikipage to english? It involves some supports (I use the word support since you would reject the word 'fact' in this context) of Turkish side and everyone is encouraged to read both sides in order to make a good judgment. It would provide objectivity to Wikipedia. Turkish wikipedia and english wikipedia on Armenian Genocide are totally opposite. (Of course, you can't know that if you don't know Turkish) Such an attempt will link Turkish wiki to english wiki and of course it is a part of wikipedia project Turkey. I also wish to ask for your e-mail so that I will not bother your talk page too much. Mine is kocacaglar AT gmail.com, so I wil be waiting for your email. ThanksCaglarkoca 21:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The myth of "recognized by 93 other states"

You insist that the "State of Palestine" is "recognized by 93 other states".

Does this "state" has a governmanent at all? Who is the head of state? What are the tax rules there? The State of Palestine entry lists 93 "other states" that supposedly "recognize" it. Actually many listed states have no supporting references ("citation needed"), and most of the others carry the number[3], which points to the OIC web site.

Instead of fostering the myth of the state "recognized by 93 other states", it would be more accurate to say "supported by the Organization of Islamic Conference." --Gabi S. 12:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I plan to update the main article accordingly - please let me know if you have any objections. --Gabi S. 08:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semi protection of my Talk Page Archives

Thank you for your semi-protection! I plan to request removal of all semi protection when the vandals at my school decide to do something else. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 14:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I've already got evidence that could get them suspended... and I'm going to use it to keep them from vandalizing. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 14:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Started a mess - Middle_Eastern_American

Can you please solve the issue? I think you should luck it for now and see what everyone thinks. Chaldean 18:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[[13]] oh dear God the headache will never end.. Chaldean 05:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Is he banned now? I just reported him for personal attacks --AW 20:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Members of the Greek intelligence

Hehe, are you aware of this [14]? Miskin 20:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Caspian expeditions of the Rus

You may be interested in this FAC. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too tired

I am way too tired.. There are so many constant sneaky vandals out there, and the only thing I can do is revert them until I hit 3RR, but they can continue :) Can you take a look at this: Turanism and edits by User:Bozkurt88xxx. I don't know if he really is a Turk but he blanked the article's talk page with "F.. aryans long live Turkism (something like that). He also was given a warning by another user for his edits in the main. He is just standing there, the second I revert him he reverts back to his weird version :)

By the way, can you also take a look at this if you have the time: [15]. Nobody has looked into it yet, so if you know someone who can look into it that would be nice. Thanks! Baristarim 01:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bonny

I suspect this account to be a sock of some seasoned troll. Please investigate. --Ghirla -трёп- 13:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikistalking threats and vandalism

Please see the following: [16] and the blatant act of intentional vandalism here [17].--Eupator 18:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "its sourced" argument

What matters isn't whether something is sourced or not, but rather whether something is sourced CORRECTLY. All 8 sources used to "source" the 28 million figure are either comlpetely irrelevant or using figures that include non-ethnic Romanians, or Romanians working abroad (double counting). The 21 million mark does not need a source because it is the total number of all recorded censuses. Total numbers for population boxes should not be sourced from anywhere else but totalled census. Horvat Den 02:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with original research. The total figure is simply the total # for which census reports are available. That is why it is an estimate. Horvat Den 02:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
The population boxes are not here to tell people how many of an ethnic group there is in the world, because that would be impossible, it is simply a rough estimate using census figures. I might agree with you that it is silly to have this type of estimate but nearly all ethnic group pages do it, so its become a sort of standard we can't escaped. All the sources on Romanians are improper. Every ethnic group page has been using the standard of estimaing total population numbers by adding census reports. It has just become a recent phenomena by nationalists to try to boost up their ethnic group's total population. Nobody is saying that this figure is fact - we having the (est) right next to it. Horvat Den 02:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure. Personally, I'm against the population boxes. I don't think we should even bother having them, but there's no way everyone will agree to removing them all. Horvat Den 02:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Armandeh

Thanks for the welcome. Please see the contributions of User:Armandeh. He is harassing the articles by reverting without good reason and removing links, categories, etc. and usually doesn't explain his edits properly or at all. On Talk:WikIran he even makes false claims against the website WikIran. This user, along with User:Roozbeh are both connected to Sharif University and Sharif Linux (which has possible GPL violations), and Armandeh (whose name is Hessam). He is an admin on Persian WP and is known for pushing his POV and harassing other users. User:Zereshk also has complaints against this person and it would be useful to talk to him as well. He also denies that Sharif is connected to the Iranian regime. Khodavand 02:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I like this one

[[18]]. Do you think it's okay to upload? I hope you're doing well. In the words of my Wikidaddy Reverend G, "May all trolls be swiftly repeled by your cudgel". NinaEliza 06:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what all was the fuss was about over your user name. It seemed to me to be Much Ado about Nothing[[19]].NinaEliza 17:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks! Baristarim 10:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok no problems. I am sorry, I was not aware of that rule. I will revert ASAP. Cheers! Baristarim 18:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sidon

I just don't get why you keep reverting my edit on Sidon. We already talked about it in May and you agreed with my compromise solution on May 12 (see my talk page). Would you kindly explain what made you change your mind and why do you keep reverting my edits without an explanation? Thanks. FrancescoMazzucotelli 15:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism on my page

Hello! Thanks for reverting that attack on my page. I woke up this morning to an e-mail from Will showing the IP's contribs... lovely wakeup on a Saturday! :-P — Editor at Large(speak) 19:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amen to that

It's just now that I have checked my mail, and you have probably seen my reaction elsewhere already. I want to thank all the people who have made this possible. Boogie down. Dahn 20:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia??

Sorry but I dont understand why you sent me this msg?

I added a few websites that I read and i think that would be usefull to the wikipedia readers! Its not spam and they are definetely very usefull!!! Except if you where born in Crete and spent 3 years in Croatia like me and you know the area better!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steliosp (talk • contribs) 00:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Dacy edit did you notice or not?

Are you letting that Dacy character edit our History like that? Or you didnt notice what she put? Ararat arev 04:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You just said you dont know about Armenian history so you wont understand. She/he is trying to remove more than half of our history Ararat arev 04:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenia -- ethnic composition of Urartu

user -- Armen rev constatntly remove my text on Urartu ethnic composition. I cited academic source. It is well known fact that Urartians were different from Armenians. --Dacy69 04:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting vandalsim put protect

Put site on protect from these new users. She is repeating the ethnic erasing vandalism

Its one of those people disguised and vandalism like last time. Ararat arev 04:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Erasing half of our history ask TigranTheGreat for vandalism

Khoikhoi ask TigrantheGreat for this he will explain you know him right? Im sure this is not the first time you've seen people coming and erasing more than half of our history Ararat arev 04:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi you know Tigran here right? Put the site on protect from these new users who erase our history get proof from Tigran Im not speaking on my own and its not just Tigran its almost everyone for Armenia. Thank you. Ararat arev 04:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoi Tigran is not here now thats why Im not telling him Im telling you since you are here. Ararat arev 04:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You know what ethnic cleansing is? Thats what he/she is doing here. Please protect the site from new users. You will see that Tigran will clear this ethinic cleansing and protect the site. He is member of Wiki Armenia project. Are you there? Ararat arev 04:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand Khoi did you read my message on your Talk page? I said TigranTheGreat the Wiki Armenia Project member knows these events. These are not the first time you've seen this happen havent you seen ? If you havent ask Tigran he has for sure seen this happen before. We are talking about 1000's of years of our history. Ararat arev 05:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Im not talking to that person anymore. I also let Narek know as well. Do you know Narek also? I let him know also about this. Ararat arev 05:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You see I dont think you understand about this. There is not compromise on this. Its hard to explain cause you dont realize what we went through in ww1. This is a deeper issue and we usually cant compromise people who erase our history like this. Compromising what? You mean to show the person that he/she is false? You think the person will agree? Of course not. Tigran and Narek are quote aware of this. Ararat arev 05:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I put the Reply up near the Dacy one in my Talk page is that ok? Ararat arev 05:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You personally want to know also? :) Good. Look at my page here is just one of them:

The great Indo-European and ancient Near East scholar Vyacheslav Ivanov.

Look in Hurrians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrians

Now look down there in External links it has

http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/pies/pdfs/IESV/1/VVI_Horse.pdf

Once you get there search Hurrian-Aryan and you will see it stands for Mitanni and the scholar explains it all in detail. And Aryan is the same as Indo-European. He explains all this there. Ararat arev 05:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What happens if I just leave it there? I mean cause I want to have certain parts of discussion different issues. Like with Thana and Serouj down at the bottom. Ararat arev 05:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoi are you there? I just rememberd something. Tigran had removed this same kind of claims just a week ago. He said that these dont belong there. They are not allowed to add additional things there thats why it was removed. If you remember the same kind of thing was written there about Armenians being others just a week ago Tigran took it out. Its the same situation allow me to take it out and protect from new users. Tigran is not here now or else you will see he will take this out again. Its the same thing I told you from last week. It might be a different person but its the same message that Tigran removed. Ararat arev 06:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoi also check the Edit history you will see its there Tigran mentions it. You know how to look it up. Ararat arev 06:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Where are you ? Are you busy reading Ivanov? Ararat arev 06:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes Im speaking of this. Please do what Tigran did by semi-protecting it. Ararat arev 07:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

And can you revert to what I had before? Ararat arev 07:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Its better if you revert it cause then it seems like im spamming or war editing as you said. Ararat arev 07:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You didnt put all his comments by the way the last one he said that those parts shouldnt be there in the Armenia page but rather another page Ararat arev 07:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please protect my contribution and my discussion page from vandalism

Please look what ararat rev wrote about me in my discussion page. He called me enemy, accused in ignorance and vandalism. I made my reference to an academic source. This view has a right to exist, while I also believe his as well. Look what he put on my page. Bulk of threats and propoganda.--Dacy69 04:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your message, and warning you've sent to people who are attacking me. They just can't accept that there is another strong theory about ethnic composition of Urartu, supported by the way, the Encyclopedia of Britannica (!!!). I just apologize - I edited entry 'Armenia' 4 times because I am in North America; for me it was another day. Ok, I will follow a rule of 3-time-edit limit. Also, following your advise I put my record to the discussion page. Worthless, several ardent nationalists are keeping to remove my contributions. So, for me with my 3-time-edit limitation is not possible to fight for academic diversity. --Dacy69 16:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protecting pages

You doing against wikipedia policies. My edits may not fall into any Type of Vandalism. When you wanted to protect pages you haven't considered Wikipedia:Protection policy that says:

In addition, admins should avoid favouring one version of the article over another, unless one version is vandalism.

Even calling someones contributions vandalism with no reason will be considered Personal Attack. You are doing against Policies. I'm waiting for your answer but if you don't I won't stop and wait for you to abuse administrative power. 06:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attack was from User:Khodavand but if you check page histories, you protected those pages in less than 20 minutes after those reverts by User:Khodavand[20][21] some days after his request on your talk page. I'll do my best to assume good faith but let it be continued. I'd ask other admins to review your action. I don't believe you are not interested in Iran related articles and you have been blocked for Iranian People article and Iranians come to your User Talk page to continue their POV Pushing. You also even protected Zahra Kazemi which was not on User:Khodavand's request list. Maybe I should write write an essay with this title: "Do not assume others silly!" 17:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You should know that the above user, who is an admin on Persian WP, has driven away many users there because of his confrontational and hostile attitude. He talks about POV pushing but look at his edits (and the summary comments) on Zahra Kazemi and WikIran and the talk pages of those articles, and even on others. I do not know what his problems are, but this type of behavior is common at Sharif (which controls Persian WP) which is closely connected to the Islamist regime and where many students belong to the Basij paramilitary organization. I am not going to speculate about Hessam's motives or agenda but his edits and his comments speak clear as to what is going on. Unfortunately on Persian WP, unlike this English one, users cannot protest the actions of admins or criticize them and instead receive the treatment like he shows you here. With this person there is never any discussion, it is his POV and that is the end of the discussion. If you criticize that, good luck. Khodavand 18:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

HAHA! It was so funny! I'm waiting for more attacks from you till I report them all together! I got more than 90% when I became admin on persian wikipedia. You can see it here. The best results ever on persian wikipedia. One of two persons who votes against me never came back after that election and the other told later that He was wrong! You don't know anything about persian wikipedia. You should continue your own project with all CopyVio and POV Pushing you are used to. Next time that you use Basij with my name would be your last time. Admins who cares about personal attacks are still alive! Hessam 19:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Attacks? I don't see any attacks. But you are attacking me again. I know alot about Farsi WP and what goes on there, trust me. And calling you part of Basij is not a personal attack, it's a fact that Sharif is filled mostly with Basij students. And I don't have any projects, but Wikipedia is free for everyone. Unlike you and other admins on Farsi WP, people here don't act like they own the place. Khoikhoi, I am sorry for this comment here and for this ignorant persons comments and attacks. Khodavand 05:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
And his attitude is clear here on User:Future Perfect at Sunrise: [22] and [23] Wow! Khodavand 05:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khoi I found it

Here it is look in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Armenia History of Armenia and you see its there explains that Urartu is Armenia its not another. That theory that she is mentioning is said here that is false theories. So please remove it and semi-protect from this further changing that they are doing. Its right on our history page saying that theory is false. And all Armenians who know our history know this as well. Ararat arev 07:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Here go in the Early History and read about Urartu there:

Urartu flourished in the Caucasus and eastern Asia Minor between c. 800 BC and 600 BC, which was the first Armenian empire. It stretched from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea, including much of modern Eastern Turkey.

Greek historiography suggests that Armenians moved from Phrygia to the territory of the kingdom of Urartu between 1200 - 700 BC, which is wrong, Armenians were the Urartu, the name changed: Herodotus calls Armenians Phrygian colonists, and states that in the 5th century BC, when both Armenians and Phrygians served under Xerxes (during the reign of the Achaemenid Persian Empire), their costume and equipment were identical. A competing theory, suggested by Thomas Gamkrelidze, Vyacheslav V. Ivanov, and a number of other scholars, suggests that Armenians are native to the Armenian Highland, and comprised the population and the royal dynasty of Urartu, which is the theory most now believe. Ararat arev 07:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please tell dacy to stop changing information

Someone keeps on changing information relating to Urartu with this I.P and username.

Dacy69 and 70.235.224.33 Nareklm 07:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


Because Infromation on Urartu is incorrect. Someone instead is removing constatnly my contribution and my reference as well--Dacy69 15:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox usage

Hey dude. Since you have some newly awarded authority now, there is one infobox left. Well back to work. Tombseye 17:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh and how does one change the Main page so that it reflects the latest rendering of the Iranian peoples? Some issues came up with regards to the Amazons so you know how that goes. Ciao. Tombseye 17:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey what up dude. Yeah I tried to edit the main page with the Iranian peoples and I got nada. I believe only fancy admins can mess with the page. ;) Well judging from the page what needs to be change is Indian subcontinent to South Asia and the last part of this sentence "and gave birth to the infamous Amazons" to "with a group of Sarmatian warrior women possibly being the inspiration for the Greek legend of the Amazons." Oh and the infobox is back on Iranian peoples! Wow, I'm amazed we went a day without it. Tombseye 22:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

I went to the 3RR page to try and report a user named Captain Spyro, who keeps changing my entries on the Evernham Motorsports page. I'm not computer savvy enough to figure out how to fill out the reporting form and what needs to be substituted and copied. I apologize for my failings in not being able to do that your correct way. However, when I went to that page to try and report him, I saw that he had contacted you to report me. So I guess you can see the data he sent and see that he keeps changing an entry I made that quotes court documents and the NY Times. These are third party neutral sources, but his is accusing me of having a POV, when it appears to me, it is Captain Spyro who has the POV. He was not able to get me banned, when he tried on vandalism because that is not what I was doing and you could not doubt the sources. Again, sorry to contact you this way but I'm too lame to figure the other stuff out.68.5.242.136

[edit] Ok

Ok no problems, I wasn't aware that he was banned since it was anon. Is it the same guy that was edit-warring over Erzurum article? Baristarim 21:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok.. I got wind of the situation when I saw Erzurum articles flashing a bit too often on my watchlist :) In his post he was saying that the Turkish users should boycott Wikipedia, and the expected banter about the great conspiracy. In fact, I tried to tell him that if he got too stressed by "hot" articles, he might try getting involved in other "cold" articles that are sorely in need of improvement and clean-up. Wikipedia might have start having health implications otherwise :)) Baristarim 22:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] request for mediation on Armenia and Urartu case

Dear user Khoikhoi,

It seems that we can not agree on information related to Armenia (part Antuiquity) and Urartu in terms of ethnic composition. I have solid proves - references to academic books and such Encyclopedia like Britannica. Ararat rev and like minded people are constantly changing my contribution and removing my references, and even allowed personal attacks on me. I would like to request Mediation. Just I would like to know your opinion. If there is no agreement on that procedure, I would like to request Arbitrage.--Dacy69 21:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC) []==Got the answer myself== Creative Commons has an agreement with Flickr for most (perhaps all) content. The link to it can be found here: Wikipedia:Images. Just scroll down to "Obtaining images", I think.

I also think you're great, and don't give a fig who knows it. You're on the side of the good and the true, whoever the heck you are (which is subject to constant change anyway, on a more general note). NinaEliza 01:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't appreciate it

There was no edit materials in my edit, neurobio is unwelcome, he is an ill intentioned user, who calls Wikipedia in his user page a made house. Wikipedia bir timarhaneden baska birsey degil. Ne yazik ki bu sacmaligi kaynak olarak kullanan cok insan var. O yüzden buradayim. ("Wikipedia is nothing more than a mad-house. Unfortunately there are those who use it as a source. This is why I am here.") Need I say more about this? Or have I seen you say anything about him parasiting, including in your own talkpage? [24], or free to say any sort of crap he wants like this [25]?

This is the same user who came here lying about himself and his intentions and who still persist. This is what I call 'ill faithed user.' It is clearly written in the 'Assume good Faith' what assuming good faith is NOT, what is not is to still assume good faith with his contributions. He disqualified himself from any contributions. The mad house he considers Wikipedia is can not welcome people who call peoples countless numbers of hour of work as trash, and its contributors as mad people. Fad (ix) 03:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

So, if I understand correctly, I can bash Turks, call people work as trash, call Wikipedia a mad house, but as long as I don't say the truth about a problematic user, all is fine? As for me knowing Turkish, I don't master it, understand a little bit, but I needed a confirmation for that piece, so asked to a native Turkish speaker. How do you think I have access to Turkish materials? I even have contacts with Turkish intellectuals involved with history matters residing in Turkey. So, it isen't like translators are in shortage. Fad (ix) 03:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll take this as a joke(your ignorance), the guy uses of Armenian qualifiers is all over the place. My edit which you have deleted, the same one about which I have reported myself, was an answer of such a qualifier. Since you haven't missed the edit, I doubt you missed his. Fad (ix) 17:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you should start by reading my edit which you have deleted, it specifically refers to one such cases. Maybe I should go in the Holocaust articles talk page and start postint stuff such as 'so typical of Jews', 'another Jewish forgery', 'the Jews are so good at...' and this in every given occasion, I doubt the editors there would miss them, the way you miss Neurobio antagonism. Fad (ix) 02:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
No, we are turning in circle, read the previous conversation. The one which was the subject of my self reporting. Fad (ix) 21:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IK

Dear Khoikhoi

I inserted my humble comments in the I.K. talk. I think the compromise seems to be to have a section in the end about I.K's views on different culture and civilization. What do you think? I think it is a win-win situation for everyone since neither will any of his opinions be deleted and at the same time it won't be in the biography section, which I do not think is that appropriate for that section. --alidoostzadeh 03:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


alright cool.. by the way sent you a message as something looked odd about some other articles. --alidoostzadeh 04:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock review requested from a user you blocked

User:Rjensen is currently requesting unblock at his talk page, claiming that he did not violate 3RR because he was following WP:BLP and wishes a unblock review, perhaps you want to take a look at it? Thanks. --WinHunter (talk) 08:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your reverts-edits

Dear Khoikhoi, It seems that your reverts/edits (one step after me) are a little bit prejudistic. All sources evidences are Welcome(as you see in Arabgir). Please take a stop, a breathe, calm and come to discuss. I am trying to clear Nationalist POV from articles-I interested. For example;

  • Yılmaz Güney;
    • who interested that Kurdish people call him in another name. Name is Name and official, can not be changed.
    • To regard ethnicity is a different matter, to talk about his works as film director, scenarist, novelist and actor is a different matter.He contributed to Turkish cinema and Turkish literature. All in Turkish.How any body can called them in another way, no possible.

Please take in consideration before further movement. Kind regards. MustTC 17:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia etiquette

I am quoting a few of the Principles of Wikipedia etiquette: *"Work toward agreement", *"Don't ignore questions", *"Concede a point, when you have no response to it; or admit when you disagree based on intuition or taste", *"Be prepared to apologize", and *"Remove or summarize resolved disputes that you initiated".

Your warning on my talk page, which I personally consider inappropriate (and frankly a ridiculously misguided perversion of the purpose for which a warning should serve), was responded by me both on my talk page and here. Your failure to respond to my comment or to act in an appropriate manner to limit the negative consequences of that warning are, in my opinion, indicative of a failure to live up to the Wikipedia's guideline in this regard.

User:Irpen subsequently started a thread on WP:ANI with your warning serving as a basis. If you had not given the warning, or acted in an appropriate manner to clarify your statement following my response, it would probably have saved several editors alot of time and trouble. Your failure to participate in that thread is, in my opinion, further indicative of a disregard of Wikipedia's guidelines on etiquette.

I have reviewed your recent contributions as well as entries on this talk page and your archived talk pages and see a contributor who serves a useful purpose on Wikipedia. However, if you cannot act in a manner which serves to mitigate any mistakes you might make by entering into dialogue, I fail to see how you can serve any real use on Wikipedia. Editors are also human beings, we all make mistakes, and we all must be able to communicate which each other in order to avoid further conflict and, to the greatest extent possible, work towards a positive solution.

Despite the strong tone of my comment I do not intend it as an admonishment, but as a word of caution. :if you do not learn to work better with others, the next RfC you will be reading might not be someone elses', but your own. --Oden 18:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Amended my comment. --Oden 11:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Amended again: the matter has been resolved. --Oden 17:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rus' Khaganate

Thought you might be interested. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request of moving

Dear Khoikhoi, Here is the Eng.Google research results. Please move;

  1. Kızıl River -->Kızılırmak,
    1. "Kızılırmak" gives 15,500 result,
    2. "Kizil River" gives 408 and "Kızıl River" gives 21 result.
  2. Yeşil River -->Yeşilırmak,
    1. "Yeşilırmak" gives 517,"Yesilırmak"gives 48,and "Yesilirmak" gives 10,200 results
    2. "Yeşil River" gives 15 and"Yesil River" gives 167 results.

Thanks in advance MustTC 19:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

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[edit] Jovano Jovanke

Requesting semi, because of sockpuppets.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe the problem has now subsided.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dogancayir

Dogancayir is the place where my parents come from. I really appreciated your review to the article. Where do you know of Sakarya and Seydisuyu?:)Caglarkoca 01:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Yılmazs(Güney,Erdoğan)

Dear Khoi, Of course I saw that film (also all other films). In Turkey there is a consensus about these people and their art works. They help to the general political athmosphere/humanity by their works in Turkey. Without regarding Turkish-Kurdish ethnicity all people(except fascits and fanatic nationalists) loves and supports them. Güney is( at that moment also) called as Kral-King(of the cinema). Güney and Erdoğan never bring to front the ethnic roots of themselves. If we put this root to the front we would disturbed their memories/works. This is the main point. Please consider in this manner. Regards. MustTC 07:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Answer

From what I know, or at least from what the Romany original has come to mean in Romanian, it means "go away" (though it could have originally been some other imperative). I think it's because of this that we call farts "băşini" in Romanian (they are being sent away...). Dahn 08:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The meaning of the word Khoekhoe

Dear Khoikhoi, I believe that you have looked up in Britanica, Encarta, etc., however see a more 'professional'/reliable source:
Haacke, Wilfrid H.G. & Eiseb, Eliphas (2002) A Khoekhoegowab dictionary with an English-Khoekhoegowab index. Windhoek : Gamsberg Macmillan. ISBN 99916-0-401-4
p. 72
Citation: "Khoekhoen (pl. only) people speaking the Khoekhoe language (today especially Nama, Damara, Hai//om; formerly also Cape Khoe))"
(and after 5 month of fieldwork in Namaqualand I can confirm that it means only this and not 'men of men' (the phrase does not make any sense for me anyway), nor 'real man'). Would you still insist on keeping your translation? Or can I change it back? Best, Newydd —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newydd (talk • contribs)

Hi Khoikhoi, yes I (and W. Haacke as well as cited) am saying that Koekhoe just means "people speaking the Khoekhoe language". It's an ethnonym, and it means that one does not translate it literary (as you do not translate literary the English or Xhosa). As you probably know the word comes from a reduplication of the root khoe (man). I believe that such expressions as 'men of men' came from the desire to translate the word whatever it costs. So my suggestion would be to write that the word comes from the word khoe meaning 'man' and leave it without a translation. Greetings, Newydd

[edit] Template talk:Turkic-speaking

Hi khoikoi. Can you spare some time having a look at this please. The template is for Turkic speaking entities, Greek editors want TRNC placed in brackets because it is not "official". The template clearly says "entities", not recognised states. I'd appreciate your input. Thanks, --A.Garnet 22:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Khoi, how's it going? I get Iranian users turning to me for help because they distrust you for being too biased pro-Turk and anti-Iranian. That's a first, for sure. What's going to happen to both our hard-earned images as relentless extremist anti-Turk and anti-Iranian monsters respectively? ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new entry

Do you know by chance how to create new pages/entries. can't find in turorials--Dacy69 23:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urartian-Armenians

Hey can you do me a favor and delete the page? Nareklm 23:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Nareklm 13:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism is spreading lies

I think it is you who is a vandal, for you are writing lies about Jami. The pederastic Poetry should be removed, and I doubt that the caption of the pictures is from Jami books, it's your and other gay lobbyist imagination. You don't need to justify your way of living by labling others pederast.74.57.251.217 02:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are you there ?

What was the site I gave you to read? I forgot and did you read it? Ararat arev 06:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Going rouge on Tajik and E104421

Further to the above, I think it's time somebody goes seriously ROUGE on both these guys. They are at each other's throats again, and I notice Tajik has also been unfriendly against you. For the moment, I propose to impose an informal 1RR regime on them both, on all the articles they've been reverting each other recently. Should be possible by way of admin consensus, what do you think? Sort of a selective use of the admin community's banning rights. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


E104421

[edit] Hi

Can you take a look at this guy User:Rowerfc? He got into an edit war with me on Turkey about the illiteracy figures and posted this [26] to WPTR talk page as well as other users' talk pages. Sorry to bother you :) Baristarim 23:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You know, stuff like [27].. Baristarim 00:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, since you were involved in the issue earlier, what do you think about Kizil River issue? Baristarim 00:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

??? What the heck is going on? :)) When I look at the history of the article, I see that it was another user without a user page that took out the same literacy figures yesterday, during the same hours. The problem is, since I generally edit by sections, I miss such attacks, and my editions get lost along the way, it has happenned three times in the last week :) I let the posts stay simply so that others can see what a circus has been going on.. Baristarim 02:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misunderstanding?

Hi, this is about this edit. I think/hope there is some misunderstanding. I don't see how does encouraging NPOV coverage equates to "hate-promoting". ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

See here. yandman 11:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goodbye Black Propaganda Farce

The Wiki Transnistria page has decended into a propaganda farce, Transnistrians are not allowed to edit their own page and unless you are a Romanian or Moldovan editor with a passionate hatred of the Transnistrian people you will not be allowed enter a single word on the page. I want no part of this hate-filled campaign on a new country trying to find her place at the international table. This pages serves nobody and Moldova least of all. I am washing my hands of it as I believe this page is only causing more hurt, hate and division between Transnistria and Moldova . Above all it shows there is absolutely no concept of mediation, accomodation and negotiation on the Moldovan side. Mark us street 14:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you.

Thank you for your support in my recent RfA, which was successful. I will do my best to wield the broom wisely! | Mr. Darcy talk 20:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aromanians

Why did you delete the link Palaiovlachoi - Stari Vlah. Medieval Balkan History and Toponymy? --Olahus 21:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i dont understand you

i really dont understand you . you are allowed to add your PORN SITE to wiki . but normal users can not edit pages. i am not a spammer but your talking to me as i am a spammer . you are looking my related links. but you dont look PORN SITES .

you are an admin of wiki . but YOU ARE USING WIKI TO PROMOTE YOUR PORN SITES.

please stop reverting my edit. is wiki "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." or is wiki a way of promoting your PORNO OR ADULT site?

please stop using wiki for YOUR profits?

--Trichnosis 21:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NorbertArthur

User:ROmafia: atrocious grammar, insults and threats, a reference to his thousands of wikipedia accounts, this user has got it all. (Plus: a NOrbertian INability TO LIft ONe OF HIs FIngers FRom THe SHift KEy IN THe BEginning OF THe WOrd "ROmania" ANd ITs RElated CRap) Block? I should think so. Dahn 01:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highshines

I wonder if I can ask you for a favor. Highshines has engaged in disrupting Cixi for a while, inserting non-standard forms of Chinese names and imperial titles. I'm getting fed up with this. He/she has been blocked before for disruptive behavior before, but that might be going to far. Is there any way you can put a temporary block that prevents him/her from editing Cixi.--Niohe 01:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Totally-disputed

Somebody removed the votes [28]. Check this out! E104421 12:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iran article

Khoi, I noticed there is an Sprotected template on the Iran article but I see there are numerous anons editing there. Is it really sprotected or did somebody just insert the template? I wasn't sure so I didn't remove it. Also it appears that an anon has made a huge number of consecutive edits, most of which, from what I can tell, are legitimate, but I did catch some vandalism. I have final exams today and can't spend much more time here. Maybe you can take a look at it if you have time? Thanks and keep up the good work.--WilliamThweatt 15:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Users welcomed (ip welcome) and warned {{subst:test2|Iran}}. All the best with finals.NinaEliza (talk • contribs • count • logs • email) 16:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another possible SNLE sock

This edit to Han Chinese by User:Aippur partially duplicates previous edit to same article by User:ENILE. cab 23:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)