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Ehm ... aren't the Khoi extinct? If you are one and therefore obviously not, please accept my apologies :) DirkvdM July 8, 2005 14:24 (UTC)


What's that 30,000 years about? The rest of the article doesn't mention any period of time. The off-site link talks about pottery evidence 2,000 years back. A reference to the source of this claim would be useful (unless it's speculation, in which case it should be marked as such). (Anonymous passer-by) November 9, 2005.

The 30,000 years is shown by the continuous record of rock-art going back 30,000 years over a wide area of Southern Africa. The most recent rock art is a couple of hundred years old. This shows a record of the (hunting) San people. The Khoikhoi (herder gatherers) are evidenced by pottery, etc. which has been found going back 2,000 years. (another Anonymous passer-by, May 2006).

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[edit] racial classification in SA

In an attempt to divide the san from Zulus they classified them as colored to stop unification, can this be added here?--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 21:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] San or Bushmen

In South Africa, the term San has become favored in official contexts, being included in the blazon of the new national coat-of-arms. Some peole find the term Bushmen the problem term bush men, while san is more acceptable a term, it is more authentic as it is an African applied ethnic label, as opposed to an 18th century one.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 21:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The term "San" is considered offensive to the Bushmen. San comes from the neighbouring Nama, and means outsider. Khoikhoi 21:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
so what do they call themselves, in their language? --HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 22:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe the different tribes have different names for themselves. However, the word for "men" is kwai. Khoikhoi 22:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
As the article on San (Bushmen) correctly says San have no collective name for themselves in any of their languages (which are many); some of the autonyms include !Xoon (pl. !Xooŋake), ‘N/ohan (pl. N/umde) or Ju/’hoansi. --Newydd 10:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Discussion Note : In the history taught in southern african countries, the story of the khoi is given as such; The Khoi people originated around the area of Zaire and northen congo, they are a hugely proud race or very dark skinned peoples ('black as coal') and have developed this way due to them being a forest people. In the years of the egyptians, they ensalved bordering tribes of Khoi to work as slaves, they are commonly reffered to as 'the Cushites'. They were enslaved due to their large build, compared to the Bantu tribesman from etheopia and somalia, who were smaller and more of a chocolate colour. The Khoi eventually migrated away to avoid the slavery and left their cushite brethren. They migrated through the congo down to northern Namibia, where they were met by desert. The Khoi then met the 'San' people, the true bushmen. Being a warring race, they enslaved the san to bide their journey through the deserts of namibia and into western south arfica. Many Khoi remained witht he san people and bred them into the race now known as Khoisan. The remaining Khoi mirgration continued south till they hit the cape and then turned north following the seas edge. They eventually kept going till they reached the plains of Natal, and the remaining tribesman formed the KwaZulu tribe.

In this time, the Bhantu had migrated through the rift valley, absorbing other bhantu race tribes and they eventually hit the lands of the Khoi in Natal and desided to form their kingdom in Mozambiquie, known as the Monomatapa.

(It would be nice if this could be verified and researched) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.168.77.110 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 11 January 2007.

[edit] Just a suggestion.

Could we please get a main picture for the article that doesn't depict the Khoi, you know, worshipping the moon? That's kind of just pandering to stereotypes about Africa and I'm sure that we can do better in depicting an ethnic group. 76.18.140.105 16:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

  • It could be switched with the one further down. -BaronGrackle 20:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further verification required: etymology of the term 'Hottentot'

It won't do simply to claim that the now dated term 'Hottentot' derives from the Dutch 'gestotter' (stutter), which is unlikely. The term Hottentot originates from a jesting carried over from a repetitive formula in a traditional dancing-song, "Ãten tãten, ãten tãten...", in 2/4 time. See "Mind Your Colour: The "Coloured" Stereotype in South African Literature" By Vernie A. February (p. 17); and the Afterword to "Dusklands" by J.M. Coetzee (though it should be kept in mind that the latter is a work of metahistoriographical fiction). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.133.166 (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)