Talk:Khelli Henna Ould Rachid

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  • Thakns for the creation of this article, however, as usual, it is written from a prop-polisrian POV in attempt to discredite Khellihenna Oueld Rchid.
  • The information on Khelli Henna's "frotune" is a non sourced allegation that is not sourced, non encyclopedic and therfore non relevant
  • All Moroccans, Moroccan instituions, politcal parties, medai etc are convinced Polisario are Puppets of Algeria in the conflict. There is even evidence for this, though we refrain from such expressions and thing as POVs
  • Why not respecting this basic rule and always trying to push propolsarian POVs?
  • I will watch this page and look for more sources then I am sure it needs to be balanced.
Cheers - wikima 20:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • No, this article describes the career of Kh-H, from the seventies up until now. If you interpret that as pro-Polisario, it says more about your views (or his?) than about the article. Instead of just saying that this or that is pro-Polisario, please try to find errors and ask for them to be removed, or suggest other relevant information to give a fuller picture of him, if you have any.
  • Agree that the fortune thing is not sourced, but it is well-known (you know it too, if you are the least bit familiar with Kh-Henna's career), and I will look for sources. Until then, it is out of the article, and I agree with your edit.
  • That Polisario qualifies CORCAS as a Moroccan puppet org, and Morocco qualifies Polisario as an Algerian puppet org, and that both dispute each other's descriptions, is not a POV. It is a fact, a basic fact that is necessary to understand, in order to understand why they won't talk to each other. Wikipedia already asserts that Morocco accuses Algeria of running the Polisario, and I have nothing against that -- whether the accusation is true or not, it is an important fact of the conflict that this is what Morocco says and acts upon. Same thing for Polisario's view of CORCAS and other pro-Moroccan Sahrawi orgs. In short, it is not a POV, it is reporting a POV. Very different.
  • More sources are very welcome! Sadly, almost all material is in French, Arabic and Spanish (in that order), and very little in English. Arre 22:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
How come a party whose members are Sahrawis, sheikhs and elders and young, of the Arabo-Muslim culture , be linked to Fascism??. What was that they did that qualifies them to be portrayed as Fascists?. If everyone that has a political activity under Franco is Fascist, then, 90% of Spain's actual politicians are.--A Jalil 23:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't say that he is a Fascist, it says he was once the leader of a party that was Fascist, which is obviously information relevant to his career (it's how he got started in politics). The PUNS was a Fascist party, as simple as that -- it had to be, in order to be accepted into the Spanish system, even though most of the members were probably just there for the benefits that cooperation with Spain gave them, and didn't care much for any ideology. Restored this, but preserved some other changes (the one in regard to his view of Abdelaziz was good, gives both sides.) Arre 12:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Arre,

  • You just wrote to Jalil the follwing line re "fascist": "even though most of the members were probably just there for the benefits that cooperation with Spain gave them, and didn't care much for any ideology" - Beautiful!
  • It is fascinating how you always put such justifications for polsiario leaders but never for others.
  • We just saw an other example with the Marxist-Leninist past of the polisario (founders). You immediately add that Polisario denies being communist. And polisario becomes like a swedish democracy!
  • Does Kelli Henna insist that he is a fascist??
  • This is a concret example of all the biase in your edits and the dits of koav through all WS related articles(though he's more direct lol!).
  • This means that we need to be more vigilant with your edits
  • Fortune: can you also source the live of his girglfriends if he has any? This is about the biography of Khelli Henna and not and article in the SUN. Eeven if you can source it it has nothing to do here.
  • Same with puppets: Nonsense and has nothing to do in this article.
  • Explain how a body that is created by the King, whose president reports to the king and follows his orders and commands, that the king calls "Royal" and means it to be merely "Consultative" is a puppet?? This is just absurd. It's like calling an employee puppet of his own boss.
  • The case of Polisario is different. Polisario are peppets of Algerias because they are supposed to be free and because Mohammed Abdelaziz is not meant to report to the president of Algeria. Though everyone knwos that Polsiario can't decide any thing wihout Algier (hope you too). Algier runs the whole Western Sahara topic. Polisario is quite wait for commands from Algeria.
Cheers - wikima 19:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Addendum:

  • Pls avoid value jugements. Insert the function of Basri as long as the article is not about him (though I deeply dislike this guy). We don't write for example Mohammed Abdelaziz the criminal or the horrible, though he's responsible for all the crimes of his organisation.
  • If you like to add the "fascist" word in this article you'll need to make efforts to underline that Khelli Henna is not a fascist (unless you source it). Just do like you do for polisarians. Take it as an exercise.
wikima 19:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Not only are you consistently rude, you apparently also think you're being clever and funny. You're not. I repeat for the last time: if this man was the leader of a Fascist party in a Fascist state, that is relevant to his biography. Sources tell us he was. So it goes into the article. If you can dig up info saying he was NOT the chairman of PUNS or that PUNS in fact was anti-Fascist, that should also be introduced into the text. If HE personally is a Fascist? I tend to think no, he's just an apolitical opportunist. But neither my nor your value judgments should be part of the text. Arre 20:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC) Arre,

  • I think you really should come down.
  • I don't know where I have been rude?
  • What I am saying is that you always find smart expressions to soften the passt of polisarian and do exactly the opposit with the others.
  • You dared to speculate on the fortune of Khelli Henna, although you know there are many ex-polisario leaders who cleraly accuse Abdelaziz of pilferage. And this can be added easily and it is quotes from sources.
  • So just make an effort and admit you tendential biase instead of becoming agressive.
Cheers - wikima 20:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] interview

In his interview with Le Journal Hebdo, El Houcine Baïda, a former Polisario member and victim of its Human rights abuses:

  • he did not use the word "occupied".
  • He was complaining about HR issues that he thought should have been addressed.
  • He was giving his own judgement(1/141) of the CORCAS way of proceeding.
  • He was angry with the way Khelli Henna is managing the subject of HR in particular and the Autonomy in general.
  • It shows the degree of freedom of speech that is present in Morocco, and among Sahrawis in particular.
  • The way Arre portrayed the interview, is to make the CORCAS look like a failure, which can't be said by one person. There has been numerous interviews praising the CORCAS. In case you insist on making this here, I will paste a huge amount of interview material that you will surely not be happy with.--A Jalil 15:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)