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Sorry, not a sikhism expert, but i was wondering if it was true that the members of the Khalsa adopted the surname Singh if male, or the surname Kaur if female. (I read this in a world religions book) If so, should we mention it in this article? Matt White 20:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Never mind, just read the "singh" and "Kaur" articles. Matt White 21:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nonsens footnotes
It is quite obvious that you can’t continue to fight after decapitation. Such claims don’t belong in Wikipedia.
2007-02-20 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
are you catholic? Mauji 10:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
i also have some doubts about this claim, yet i have read the history books and seen the temples in punjab reffering to baba deep singh ji and would also like to hear an explination that would be more realistic, but i also believe that not all thing are as easily explained!! just becouse it sounds ureal dosent meen it is!!!!
they say the allmighty moves in mysteriouse ways, who are we to correct age old history
inda singh london uk [[]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.149.34 (talk) 21:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
How would one explain the belief of Muslims in the wings of Gabriel, and the miraclous birth of Christ, by Catholic Christians.Religions are based on beliefs and faith, not logical conclusions.
The Khalsa fighting force under the command of Guru Gobind Singh fought many battles, in which they were heavily outnumbered.The battle of Chamkaur was fought by Sikhs who numbered only forty, pitched againest atleast a million combined soldiers of Mughals , hill Chiefs and provincial troops.Guru Gobind Singh has stated this fact in Zafarnama, a letter he sent to Mughal Emperor Aurangzab, " but for how long these starved forty sikhs, the bravest people on earth, could continue fighting a million soldiers".This is impossible from a reasonable point of view.But it is what actually happened.And the Guru escaped from un-harmed.
When Guru Gobind Singh created the Khalsa, he emerged from the tent with blood on his sword.There is no actual recored answer, in any official transcript, as to what happened in that tent. Some people think he slaughtered goats.But it cannot be assumed that he would start a religion on the basic foundation of a LIE.He fought all his life for truth and justice. The spies of Mughal goverenment were also present in that gathering.And in a report that was sent to authorities in Delhi, they mentioned that the Guru actually beheaded the persons, and later interchanged their heads and sewed the heads to bodies.But the firm belief of the Sikhs and their traditions state that the five people were first beheaded and then brought back to life.Ajjay (talk) 09:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Incorrect information by vandal: Maahaakal
Proper chronological usage of the term applied. 'Khalsa' is not a Farsi word, al-Khalisa is Arabic but does not have dual Middle-Eastern lexical derivations (Farsi, Arabic and Punjabi are distinct languages) hence removed POV
Please provide Farsi sources, not Sikh pov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.3.2 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- There are around 119 books that say it is derived from Farsi [1]. And 73 say it is derived from Arabic [2]. A search for "Khalsa Origin" delivers about 775 results [3] and majority of the results associate Khalsa with "Sikhs" and trace the origin of the word to Arabic/Persian
- Incase you didn't know, the term "Khalsa" was originally used to refer to lands directly under the control of the Emperor during Delhi Sultanate and Moghul rule. It has been in use in India since start of Muslim Rule. And Kabir was not reffering to Khalsa in his verse in this sense, for which it is used for Sikhs, as directly belonging to their Guru or God. Mahaakaal (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Can you show where I implied (directly or indirectly) that Kabir used the term in any other way? The term was used initially by Kabir before any Guru (as incorporated in the SGGS) BUT you have not provided any Farsi/Dari (Persian) derivative. It may have been used later (as in the definition as provided by Encyclopedia Britanica) but that's not the issue here.
