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[edit] Professor Mohammed's religion

So, is he a Muslim or not? --Striver 19:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

  • That is a good question. I did a quick Google search for him and found way too much information about Muslim religion sects and his refusal to join any sect, so it may take a while to figure this out. Obviously it shouldn't matter one way or the other, but it is interesting information to consider. On his own webpage, Professor Mohammed declares that he wants to "simply say that I am a Muslim" (see link) but refuses to state much more than that. Streltzer 01:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I studied under Dr. Mohammed for a year and a half and let me just say that he is totally unbiased in his discussions on Islam, which is why, even though having studied for a while under him, I never knew what sect he was or who's "side" he belonged to. Let me just say that he does sound like a Musli though...isn't that the whole point? Why must someone fall under a label or sect?

201.170.17.198 20:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)Kal-El

[edit] External links

I have removed the following from External links per WP:EL because neither of them makes any mention of the subject of the article, Khaleel Mohammed.

The first link is for an anonymous domain hosted on GeoCities (meaning that it is just a personal Yahoo! website), and therefore it does not satisfy WP:RS in any context. The second link is already used in the introductory paragraph of the article, although it serves absolutely no purpose - there is no reason for it to be linked twice. --Dennette 00:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

The new section Free Muslims Coalition was added to the article by Streltzer (talk · contribs) after the AfD was started, and they added the link to http://www.freemuslims.org/about/mohammad.php ... then they copied the material from that copyrighted page into these newly created sections:

3 Biography
3.1 Background and Education
3.2 Significant Events

That is why I added the {{copyvio}} tag in that location.

OTOH, Streltzer also added the new section The "For People Who Think" Organization with the assertion, Some of Professor Mohammed's material can be found at the http://www.forpeoplewhothink.org website, under the pseudonym "Abu Yousuf al-Corentini." ... I was going to add a {{fact}} tag to that statement when I realized that they were trying to use the freemuslims.org link as the citation for the claim ... but even so, all that we would have is a claim from a website with which the subject is associated (violating WP:RS) that the subject runs another website under a pseudonym ... no independent, 3rd party verification of of that assertion, which is apparently an attempt to influence a claim of notatbility. ("He's more well known as a blogger under his pseudonym than by his real name.")

The exact same biographical text from the freemuslims.org bio page also appears on the public relations bio page under External links, but that page does not have a copyright notice, which is why I used the first one. The point is, over half of the article is a copy&paste from material duplicated on two other websites, both associated with the subject ... neither meets WP:RS for WP:V, so they are useless for satisfying WP:PROF or WP:BIO criteria.

Anyway, it all began with starting to add the {{fact}} tag, and then realizing that most of the newly added material was a WP:COPYVIO, so I flagged it accordingly and entered it in the log ... I don't know how this will affect the still-open AfD, but I will also mention it there. --Dennette 05:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Another editor removed the copyvio material after the AfD was closed as no consensus ... I have removed the tag and the deleted section headers that the other editor missed. —Dennette (talk · contribs) 06:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD closed

I've closed the AfD discussion as lacking consensus. Having reviewed the discussion while closing it, I'd like to note that the people supporting the deletion do have a point about the article being quite weakly referenced, and that this needs to be corrected to comply with the core policies on Verifiability and Biographies of living people, as well as with the notability guidelines for academics and people in general. On the other hand, the notability bar for professors is rather low, and it does seem evident that this person has done something of note, if only by making controversial statements in public. I'd like to encourage those who supported keeping this article to work on making sure that the article clearly describes what he is notable for and that all claims in the article — including but not limited to those establishing notability — are well referenced (with citations, not chunks of text copied from other sites, please!). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)