Talk:Khadijah bint Khuwaylid
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[edit] Khadijah's Beliefs Prior to Conversion
I was looking for this article to find some information regarding Khadijah's religious belief's prior to her conversion to Islam, and I can't find anything. I think this article should have something because I've heard some wacky theories that she was a Catholic who gave Muhammad the idea to base the religion on Christianity and I don't think that's true, but I can't find anything to the contrary. 69.149.82.42 19:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Info omitted
Some information was lost in this edition. --Striver 21:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] It is NOT clear that she was 40
Khadija's age, and the number of children she bore, and to whom, are hotly contested by Sunni and Shi'a polemicists. People have been trying to wrench the article one way or the other. We need to have both sides represented. We give the Sunni arguments and the Shi'a arguments. Then the reader can decide. Can some other editor help with this? Zora 10:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- It is because it is not clear if she was born in 555 (that will make her 40 year old) or 570 (that will make her just 25). Hassanfarooqi 21:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I am afraid that some anti-Islamic racist group has come up with a song claiming that Muhummud married his wife when she was 6 years old, but did not take her to bed until she was 9, and that he was a pedophile. These claims, which from my limited knowledge of Islam and the Koran, I knew where wrong from the outset, have been posted, unfortunately, on YouTube. Without quality control or significant public record of debate - often from uninformed people who simply repeat assertions made by others - these videos are allowed to go unhindered as truth.
Although the impact on the large majority of citizens will be negligable, there are some groups which I believe are at risk. Especially young Christian youths.
Wikipedia is often a second port of call for these YouTube viewers, so we need to clear up debate on the issue of Muhammud's wifes age to refute these arguments.
Simple removal of anti-Islamic videos is a violation of freedom of speach (aka the freedom to talk bu11sh*t), and only leads to other radical claims.
--Mohammad did indeed marry a girl who was 6 years old. Her name was Aisha, and she later became one of the most influential and important of all of Mohammed's wives, (he had about 6-7 by the end). This is completely factually accurate. He also did sleep with her at the age of 9, this is also true, and any good Muslim, Shi'a or Sunni will tell you that it is true. The truth is that he was not a pedophile, it was a political marriage to a friend's daughter solidify his position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.69.178.188 (talk) 18:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POVs
- When he married, the Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) did not seek young virgins, women with no previous sexual experience, or members of his family. Since neither he nor Khadijah were Muslims at the time they married, the question of being Muslim did not arise. His first choice was a twice-married 40-year-old lady with at least 4 children. Marrying when he was 25, he remained monogamous until her death 25 years later. He never considered taking another wife, although all his friends, uncles, and peers were polygamous. [1]
--Striver 02:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Also, some info was lost here --Striver 02:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
More info: Lubaba bint al-Harith - Claimed to be second woman, the same day as her close friend Khadijah
--Striver 03:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Information regarding Waraqah ibn Nawfal should be moved to his entry. --Islami 00:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Missing info
- The Quran states [33:59] that Prophet Muhammad has daughters (three or more).
I looked at different English translations of the Qur'an (in reference to Surah 33 Verse 59), and nowhere in any of them does it state the number of daughters that he had. Although there is mention of the idea that he had some (i.e. more than one). Silver crescent 18:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- In fact, that verse use the word (بناتك) "your daughters" which is plural. Plural in Arabic language can refer to three or more, while in English it can refer to two or more.
- BTW, is there a standard way to put a reference to a Quranic verse? There is one for the Bible (using Bible Gateway) but I would like to know if there is a similar thing for the Quran.
- --Islamic 20:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up. In regards to using Qur'anic verses as references, I'm not sure as to whether or not there's a standard. But I mostly use this site, since it consists of more than one English translation after another, by three different individuals (i.e. Pickthall, Shakir and Yusuf Ali). Silver crescent 00:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name change
When was it decided (and voted on) that the page name should be moved from Khadijah bint Khuwaylid to Khadijah binte Khuwaylid? Stoa 22:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It's the correct name. Right now it reads "Khadija daughter Khuwaylid". Binte = daughter of.
It looks like someone changed it back. Can someone please fix it? -John Rigali 20:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Older version
When i just looked back, i see that some time ago, i made a redirect that messed with history. Sorry.
I in this version, we see:
- Khadija's distant cousin, Waraqah ibn Nawfal, was a monk and a convert to Nestorian Christian sect. When Muhammad reportedly started receiving revelation, Waraqah identified him as the Prophet.
And in this version, we see:
- A follower of Judaism, according to traditions she became the first female convert to Islam, the new religion Muhammad had begun to preach.
Those edits are now not present. Are they accurate? Sources? --Striver 00:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Both were incorrect. First, Waraqah was a close cousin, and not a distant one. Second, there were no Jews in Mecca. Probably the confusion is because Muhammed married a Jewish convert to Islam named Safia when he migrated to Medina. Hassanfarooqi 21:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Questionable edits
- Bro, you messed up the age reference, it only sources that one singel age. Also, you cant use a wikipedia-clone as a souce.
Hi,
I'm actually not a bro ... Because each one of the references in the first sentence (for example) consist of the number 1, I didn't think that they had to be repeated several times in the same line if they came from the same source, which is why I made the edit(s) that I did. As for the wikipedia clone, I wasn't sure as to whether or not it was one since I didn't notice the disclaimer at the time. Regardless, I added a citation from another site to back up the info instead. Silver crescent 19:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks... Sis, i presume :). I know that it can look messy, but puting a [1] at the end is missleading, everying there can not be found in the source. Therefore, it necesary to put the [1] directly after the necesary part. --Striver 19:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Parentage
According to the Khuwaylid ibn Asad article, Khadijah is his daughter. According to this article, she is the daughter of Asad ibn Abd-al-Uzza, Khuwaylid's father. Which is it? -John Rigali 20:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- His father was Khuwaylid bin Asad bin Abdul Uzza bin Qusayy. In other words Asad bin Abdul Uzza bin Qusayy was his grandfather, not father. Hassanfarooqi 17:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Issue of neutrality
The phrase "out of his love for her" when used to explain why Mohammed remained faithful to Khadija is disputable. There are many viable alternatives, and that phrase is definately more a matter of opinion and not fact. It should at least hint at that being one of many outside opinions.
[edit] Converted from?
Perhaps I missed it in the article, but from what belief system did she convert? An earlier edit said she was Jewish, but discussion above claims that is false. Jack Chick claims she was Catholic, but... yeah. Was she Nestorian like Waraqah, or is it not certain if she held any particular belief system? And again, sorry if it's in the article and I just missed it. -BaronGrackle 22:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Status of Khadijah
If she was a successful (and, I presume, educated and literate) businesswoman, how do some Islamic societies, such as the Taliban or the current Saudi Arabian regime, justify their own rules for what women may or may not be permitted to do, in terms of the history of their religion vis-a-vis Muhammad's wife Khadijah, who was clearly a liberated, independent, educated, and economically successful woman? Badagnani 23:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Became the first Muslim among females: question of structure
I just want to give an advice regarding this part of the article. It is related to logic and clearness rather than content.
By reading the tittle of the article one gets the impression that Khadija was the first among women to convert to Islam but when reading the text we find out that she was the first among men and women to convert to Islam. I suggest that you change the title to "became the first Muslim among men" or simply " khadija became the first muslim". I think if you do so text an tittle acquire a better cohesion.
thank you Yseutz 20:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tag
This article is unencyclopedic, very apologetic, and lacks sources. Arrow740 00:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
