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[edit] Khachkar or Khatchkar?
The former seems to be unjustifiable. The vast majority of literature in English that uses the Armenian word, rather than just the phrase "cross stone", spell it as "khatchkar". I suggest that the title for this page be changed to "khatchkar" Meowy 17:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I also note that in the references, the title of the book "Armenian Khatchkars" (Editions Erebuni, 1978) had been altered to "Armenian Khachkars". I have changed it to the actual title. Meowy 17:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- A quick google search indicates that "Khachkar" is the more used of the two; of course that does not mean it is correct. I have mentioned both in the lead sentence, and asked our linguistics specialists to come and take a look using the {{Cleanup-IPA}} tag. John Vandenberg 22:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I've added the IPA pronunciation to the article. With regards to the spelling, I'm no expert in Armenian, but it does look as though both spellings are probably acceptable. These variations often occur in foreign words from languages with alternative alphabets when transcribed across to the Latin alphabet, in this case "khachkar" is a letter to letter transcription, but "khatchkar" gives a more accurate representation as to how it would be pronounced as a word in English. Phonetically, having a "t" before a "ch" makes no difference in this case, as the "ch" sound is an affricate composed of two consonant sounds, /t/ and /ʃ/ ("sh"), but spelling the word with "tch" in English removes any uncertainty about whether the "ch" should be pronounced as /ʃ/ (like in "creche"). For naming the article, the most common spelling should be used. Hope this makes sense, - Zeibura Talk 07:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reports (see RFE/RL)
The article says "Reports (see RFE/RL)" ; can anyone point out what "RFE/RL" is that I am meant to see ? John Vandenberg 13:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
RFE/RL stands for Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty. Meowy 21:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Edits By an Anonymous Editor
There is an ananymous editor who has been making persistant edits to insert the following text in the Amenaprkich section of the entry.
These Khachkars provide inscriptions which often contain important historical information. This tradition went all the way back to the Armenian masters who made cuneiform inscriptions in the Kingdoms of Armani, Mitanni and Aratta in the third and second millennia BC.[1]
Amenaprkich khatchkars do not contain any more epigraphical content than normal khatchkars, and to suggest that there is a timeline connection between khatchkars depicting the Crucifiction and cuneiform inscriptions on Uruartian and similar stele is just laughable. Meowy 19:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no Urartu in that list, this is about Armenian architects from the ancient times, of Armani etc. etc.. 75.28.36.1 22:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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- And what is the connection there to Amenaprkich-type khatchkars? Meowy 01:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Amenaprkich is an ancient Khachkar dating back to the time where Mitanni and Aratta were still active. These are identically to Khachkars and are called it as well but a more ancient type, it provides historical information. The connection is what it says, it is a Khachkar where Armenian inhabitance has always been, it is clear stated please do not remove it. 75.24.236.167 02:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yeh, I'm sure that cultures from 1000BC and earlier were carving stones with depictions of Christ on them!Meowy 23:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Destruction
I just want to note that the destruction section, and the heavy emphasis of destruction in Armenia both within that section and in the article as a whole seems completely wrong to me. The only source is this "Khachkar.am" website which cites no sources at all. I have never heard of these problems and though I can believe that the occasional khachkar is moved - this description of widespread movement of them in such a superstitious country seems quite unlikely, and to suggest that khachkars which are being removed are then destroyed is almost laughable. Then the claim that Noratus is being "encroached on three sides" suggests that something bad is happening there already, which it is not. Again. No proof that I can make out, certainly no notable khachkars affected, and the large emphasis on this in an article which needs a lot more info on the khachkar itself I think needs to change. --RaffiKojian 13:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, I don't understand how two paragraphs are given for one article which was severly criticised, while the destruction in Nakhichevan get away with one. Can someone explain why this is so? Anatolmethanol 14:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
