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    [edit] Is it really unionized in the whole western Canada?

    I'm a full-time employee at KFC Winnipeg, but my wage is just little above the minimum wage in Manitoba. Besides, many of its team members don't have over time pay and no any pay for extra works and extra clean. Furthermore, my employers treat her/his employees like slaves. What's more, I never hear any unionization movement in Manitoba. Therefore, I doubt about this article on unionization in western Canada.

    Fatck —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.143.72 (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Where is Yanei?

    A new user posted that there are 234 locations in a country/region called Yanei in the International Operations sections. Where exactly is this? Google doesn't produce any viable information.

    Original text: "Yanei

    KFC entered the Yanese market in late 1994 and by 2001 there were over 234 locations all over the country. In 2004 the chain merged with local chain, Mel Keety, a ice cream chain and in 2007 it took over a small conivence store chain Cho Vekka and runs 128 of them."

    Toni S. 04:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

    IP Vandalism. 75.109.93.147 has been doing this at the Wendy's article for weeks. I had to request SPP on that article to get him to stop. - Jerem43 06:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Number of employees ?

    This pages lists KFC as employing 750,000 (with no citation). But KFC is owned by Yum Brands (who also owns Pizza Hutt, Taco Bell and some other fast food chains) and Yum Brands sales revenue is less have half of McDonalds while the Wikipedia page on McDonalds says they employ around 500,000.

    750,000 for KFC seems far too high. Or at least unreliable.

    This is important because no sales revenue figures are cited on this page, so researchers looking to establish how large KFC is will use this employee number as a proxy.

    I suggest it be deleted unless a reliable citation can be found.

    PS my estimate is that KFC sales revenue is around $2 - $3 billion. Byronsharp 11:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

    Go ahead and remove it, nothing worse than some schoolkid doing a class presentation on KFC using figures off Wikipedia that some guy pulled out of his ass one day. For what it's worth, this page pegs the McDonald's number at "over 1.5 million" at whatever point the page was updated, so while the figure might be too high I doubt that it's going to be so for too long. Chris Cunningham 13:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] "Zero Grams Trans Fat"

    I think that the article should be edited because although KFC advertises their product to have "zero grams" of trans fatty acids in their chicken, federal food labeling regulations mention that a serving of a product that has .499 of a gram of trans fat is zero. Clearly, if the KFC chicken product does not contain trans fat, the proper way to advertise a product is by saying "no trans fat." That's how they get you: "zero grams trans fat" vs. "no trans fat." Saying "zero" lets them get away with up to .499 grams.

    You should try KFC's nutrition program on their website. Input in the system that you are to consume a regular style chicken breast, it says 0 grams trans fat. But if you input in the system that you were to consume ten of the chicken breasts, the actual total of trans fat is 3 grams. So literally, each piece of chicken contains more than zero trans fat, and less or at .499 grams. Akit 22:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

    Products that are animal protein based tend to have a small amount of naturally occurring trans-fat, especially parts like the fatty skin of a chicken. Statistically speaking you are correct, however I believe that the amount, less than .5g, is so small that they are allowed to claim 0g. If someone is eating ten breasts of KFC chicken alone indicates serious dietary concerns besides what trans-fat you would get from consuming the usual 1-2 pc KFC meals, the ten pieces is the equivalent to a full bucket of chicken from them. - Jeremy (Jerem43 22:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

    [edit] Kitchen Fresh Chicken

    Kitchen fresh chicken redirects here but there is no mention of this name. Josh (talk | contribs) 18:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

    • It was an advertising slogan from a little while back. - Jeremy (Jerem43 16:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC))

    [edit] Deleted images

    I deleted a whole bunch of images posted by 70.104.164.4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) that were reposts from the deleted List of KFC global locations article, they did not contribute any thing new to the article or were not reflective of any information in the article.

    -Jeremy (Jerem43 16:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC))

    [edit] Request for protection

    I'm going to suggest protecting this page from vandalism because of the content, even if cited, defies common sense. I'm not even going to list it here, since it's available in the Nov 9, 2007 11:47 drafts. The number of quick revisions suggest an edit war. I also separated the Poundstone citation from the vandalism that letched onto it. MMetro 12:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Buckethead

    The guitarist Buckethead always wears a KFC bucket on his head during ALL of his appearances.

    What a loser. -Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 07:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    If there was a pop culture or trivia section it should be mentioned, but their aint —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.15.44 (talk) 04:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Barbeque Ribs?

    Not mentioned on discontinued products, but does anoyone esle remember or know what happemned to the meals that included two pork ribs (it was still available at least until the mid-eighties in the UK). Dainamo (talk) 13:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Chinese name

    Please correct the Chinese romanization: it's zhá jī, not zhà jī. 82.88.243.147 (talk) 22:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Add number of locations in each country next to each flag?

    Since the List of global KFC locations was deleted several months ago, I was wondering whether it would be possible to at least place the number of locations in each country next to the applicable country flag (in "()"). This would give a general idea where KFC's key markets are located. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toni S. (talk • contribs) 17:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Add Costa Rica to map

    Currently, Costa Rica is not added on the locations map where KFC is present, but Costa Rica has had KFC since more than 20 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.65.166 (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Buffets

    Some have buffets in them. ADD THESE. I have been there, should know. You have the "All you can eat" option at these places. 65.173.105.241 (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Bucket & Discontinued Menu Items

    "The Rotating Buckets The large tilted motorized spinning Kentucky Fried Chicken buckets were designed in Roanoke by Leonard Goldstein in 1961. " http://members.cox.net/lendys/lendys5.htm - about a third of the way down the page.

    Jmj - If you're going to add info, it's easier to line up your references first and include them so others can verify what you say. This web page looks like a home-built history of Lendy's, but if this reference exists there must be others.

    ALSO: Does anyone else think that the discontinued menu section could be discontinued (and deleted)? Or, if someone thinks they are vital, perhaps they could become their own page of Discontinued Fast Food Menu Items. That section seems more like nostalgia than encyclopedia.Bob98133 (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

    Last Call! If there are no objections I'm going to remove the "discontinued menu items" section in a couple of days. Thanks Bob98133 (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

    Leave it alone, unless you have a valid reason as to why it should be removed besides WP:Idontlikeit. Failed business practices are very encyclopedic, should we delete information on the Edsel or Netscape since they are no longer around? --- Jeremy (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

    I don't feel that strongly about it - it just seems more silly than encyclopedia. Even the GM article only lists models (current or discontinued)for a reason - like size or body style, but they don't have separate sections on The Biscayne, The Belaire, etc. Edsel and Netscape both had some historic importance in their respective industries. Is the same true for Extra Tasty Crispy KFC chicken? Did dropping this item have some impact on the industry, or is this just trivia or nostalgia?Bob98133 (talk) 17:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] offensive section in Canada cleaned up

    It was obvious that someone who created this section had quite bitter views on franco-anglo relations in Quebec. Ive made an effort to elimante this abusive tone. Some concerns here is that the comment about France was not related directly to `canada`and the comment regarding that the company is the only one in qunbec to change its name or few is false, many companies operating in quebec understand thhe prefereed language of speech in a region in Quebec and use a french name, shoppers drug mart can be seen as pharmaprix, Macs can be seen as Couche tard( open late). and these are just off the top of my head, as well if you travel to Quebec between the province of Quebec and ontario you will see many stores which based on the local preference will use either french or english,(this includes cities like ottawa and some of those in Northern Ontario which is why there is language laws to protect certain cities preferences to language, it isnt only english the sign has to be in but in french too to respect both language. This was a clearly abusive and offensive section which was completely biased and whoever wrote it should be ashamed to call themselves a true canuck....I am indeed offended by the tone that was used. Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    Thanks for cleaning it up. Note that "Mac's" is Couche-Tard because Couche-Tard is actually the mother company (though I remember the days back when it was Provi-Soir). There are other examples, such as Staples which is Bureau en Gros in Quebec and Mark's Work Wearhouse, known as L'Équipeur. But yes, adapting the brand name to the market goes both ways, and not necessarily because of laws. "Chez Cora" uses "Cora's Breakfast and Lunch" outside of Quebec, simply because "Chez Cora" would suggest something French and thus fancy in English speaking markets, and that's not the image they want to project.--Boffob (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    I added a couple of "citations needed" tags, in part because we need to know whether KFC was ever known as Kentucky Fried Chicken in Quebec (that would depend on when it started having franchises on the territory). The second one is because I doubt there ever was a obligation to francize corporate names which according to the current paragraph, was removed in the early 90's. Both Burger King and Dunkin' Donuts expanded into Quebec in the early 80's, and neither have been known under any other name.--Boffob (talk) 17:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Chicken balls?

    Here's an item in the "menu" section:

    Chicken Balls - This was the Colonel's answer to the increasing Oriental influence on North American cuisine in the mid eighties. However, the chicken balls were discontinued once the public realized that they could not keep their 'ball' shape for very long.

    I have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to mean. Anyone else? Graymornings (talk) 06:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

    The edit was made by Aleppard on March 1. Appears Canadian based from possibly constructive edits on Ontario towns, but this user also has 2 counts of confirmed history of vandalism, with this and another nonconstructive edit in All Dogs Go To Heaven not yet acknowledged. I have eliminated the offending comment. MMetro (talk) 07:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Picture

    They don't have french fries at KFC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.93.41 (talk) 22:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] 4.252.253.65

    I undid the edits by this contributor. While there were several contributions to the article that were good, many problems were reintroduced:

    • The edits added several red wikilinks
    • Their were links to deleted images
    • The trivia references in popular culture sections that were deleted months ago and folded into the article were re-introduced. This edit troubled me the most as it appears that the author was attempting to undo all edit to the article since the time that the sections were removed by adding a copy of what was there originally.
    • he removed almost all data from the Company Infobox
    • The international locations section that was simplified was restored using older link forms and formatting
      • [[image:flag of France|20px]] France instead of {{FRA}}
      • He used a table instead of {{col-begin}}/{{col-end}}

    --- Jeremy (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] KFC in Belgium???

    According to the map there are KFC outposts in Belgium?!

    As a belgian citizen I can tell you this in incorrect. I know of no KFC restaurants in Belgium (it is a small country) and an Internet search could not dig up any information to support there are restaurants in Belgium.

    So, in what else is wrong with this map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.67.101.111 (talk) 18:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

    Your info is definitely correct. I've often wondered why there is no KFC in Belgium. Did they ever try to enter the Belgian market? I know Quick does very well there and that is the reason why some other American chains can't prevail in Belgium. However, KFC does have locations in both neighboring France and the Netherlands.Toni S. (talk) 19:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

    On closer inspection the map and the list of global presence embedded in the article are not in sync. The list seems to be more correct than the map. For example, the map incorrectly does not highlight Turkey while it is correctly present in the list. Also, Belgium is not present in the list. Maybe the map should just be updated to be in sync with the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.192.38 (talk) 02:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Kentucky Grilled Chicken

    There's currently reports that KFC would like to change the name to include "Grilled Chicken" with a view to phasing out "fried" to make it sound more healthy... maybe it needs adding in.

    172.200.123.111 (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

    it sound like another attempt at creating a healthier product akin to the Colonel's Rotisserie Gold from a few years back. This could be mentioned along with the CRG in the discontinued products section.--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 19:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
    I think this belongs somewhere in the lead. It's not a "discontinued product." It seems to be a new major change in the branding of KFC. Should the brand campaign fail at some point in the near or far future, it would be appropriate for a "discontinued" category. Acsenray (talk) 17:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
    It is appears to only be a new product introduction. They made a very big thing of the Rotisserie Gold line when it was introduced, as they appear to be doing with this new product line. Right now it appears that the company is trying to garner some pre-release hype on the product. If this product is successful and redefines the company as whole, then it should be put in the lead section. Until then it is only a test product, and should be noted as such in the product section. Once it is introduced then more detailed information can be added to the advertising section and other sections as needed.
    Trust me on this, as a 25-year veteran of this industry, I can tell you that a lot of fast food companies have come out with highly hyped products that were going to change the company as a whole, only to see them fail spectacularly. BK Baguette or Arch Deluxe anyone? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Spin Off - Kentucky Roast Beef

    In the late 60's the company branched into roast beef and ham sandwiches under the name Kentucky Roast Beef. Most were operated by Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises as part of their chicken restaurants, although some were free standing restaurants.

    Reference: http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/imlseastside&CISOPTR=763 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.14.171 (talk) 00:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Suggestion for new KFC products article

    I believe that we need to start a new article on products that KFC sells. Mainly because the current sloppy list is mainly US centric and many products that are available in the US for example, are not sold in Australia and vice versa. Maccas and Hungry Jack's / Burger King already have their own product articles, including articles for individual products. I believe KFC should go down the same path. Thoughts anyone? --Lakeyboy (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

    Agree. Makes this article easier to check against vandalism. MMetro (talk) 12:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
    Unlike the other two companies, KFCs menu is incredibly limited. Fried chicken, on the bone, as strips and as sandwiches. They add burgers and ribs in some countries, plus desserts and salads. They have grilled chicken coming out in North America, and they sell kebabs in some countries, what else is there? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

    Well, it depends on how specific we want to go in terms of products listed. I think it should be structured as follows:

    • You would have the original recipe chicken first in it's own section, as it is the flagship product and available worldwide
    • Major products which are available in a majority of countries
    • List of products which are only available in one country. Subheadings to be by country.
    • Section on side items (chips, potato & gravy etc.), drinks and desserts.

    We do not want to breach Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information so how far should we go in terms of detail? Is the above suggestion of article layout suitable? --Lakeyboy (talk) 23:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

    The problem with that choice is how much detail do we need? Take for instance the Pizza Hut article, people added every single product & variation that was sold in every country that PH did business in. It took me three days to pare it down to something that was manageable. The existing section has several international variations already in it. Look at the Burger King products article and you can see the article goes beyond the list of products. Unless the article can be expanded beyond a list of products, you will get an AfD sooner or later.
    The Burger King Products article had two AfDs, and the only reason it wasn't deleted the second time was because I significantly expanded beyond a list of products. Can you do this with the KFC products article? Are you willing to do it right? It needs to involve a significant amount of citations that conform to WP:Cite guidelines in order to with stand the inevitable WP:Not challenge.
    --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 02:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Year of debut

    • I think the taxobox should say something like this:
    1930 (original)
    1952 (foundation)
    instead of 1952. What do you think? --20000 Talk/Contributions 19:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] No microwaves

    An interesting thing that I have recently found out about KFCs in the US is that they seem to have no microwave ovens for food preparation. Can't find documentation for this, but if it's true it's worth including.

    [edit] Kansas (etc.) Fried Chicken

    There are many "knock off", unaffiliated, chicken restaurants in non-middle-class areas. Examples include Kansas Fried Chicken and Kennedy Fried Chicken, both using the same color schemes as Kentucky Fried Chicken

    I would recommend that a heading be added such as "Imitations", with a link at least this site: <http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SIGNS/friedchicken/chickenshacks.html>

    No, that's just asking for spam. MMetro (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
    Actually that touches upon trademark issues, which can be very pertinent. There is possible infringement that may fall under the Lanham act, an example of a case like that would be here. I do believe that their has been some legal tussling over this before. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] The Bucket, and more on Microwaves

    According to the article the bucket was the idea of Dave Thomas. KFC's first franchisee Leon "Pete" Harman also sold chicken in buckets in the very early days of the chain and in the book Secret Recipe it is claimed that he was the originator of the idea. Any verification either way would be great. (Perhaps both developed the idea indepently?)

    KFC does use microwave ovens in its cooking various products in the US, some examples of which are Baked Beans, reheating of dipping sauces for wings, Mac & Cheese, and Corn. It is worth noting that some locations do bake the Mac & Cheese, and many older stores cook corn on the cob in a specific piece of equipment.

    [edit] Italy?

    The list of countries states Italy has KFC. However, it's not highlighted on the map. Which is right? Giamberardino (talk) 04:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


    [edit] Nah, call the chain "Utah Fried Chicken"

    Since that's where the first KFC restaurant opened, even though Kentucky might've been where the chicken recipe itself was developed. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Turkey

    I have eaten at KFC in Turkey. The map is innacurate - it does not show Turkey in blue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultegra (talk • contribs) 17:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Buckets Update / name created

    The bucket was created by Leon "Pete" Harman at his Salt Lake City location. He purchased 500 surplus red and white tubs and put 14pc of chicken, pint of gravy and 5 rolls for $3.50.

    I dont have a web link to back this up, but the History Channels: America Eats cites this in their program, I also worked for Harmans the franchise who created the KFC name and idea.

    The name came from petes sign painter Don Anderson. He said "Well, the man (Colonel) lives in Kentucky, so why not call it kentucky Fried Chicken!" to pete. Kentucky meant Southern Hospitality so the sign was painted on the window.

    Ross.king (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)(talk) 18:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)