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Heh, I was gonna add that satellite image myself, but I forgot about it. ~~Shiri — Talk~~ 19:21, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Change made 03MAY05. It is called the "Little Truman WhiteHouse" not "Truman little whitehouse"

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[edit] What's with the Chicken photo

It says free range chickens? If there is a reason like Key West likes to raise chickens, or rather it's people do it should be noted in the article otherwise it the photos serves no purpose, heck you can't even be sure it's in Key West 4.142.90.104 (talk) 05:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)eric


[edit] Key West Events

The events/culture section is getting a little ungainly... does anyone else think that it's about time to spin it off into a subsidiary article? JKBrooks85 00:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City Limits needs update

With the annexation of Wisteria Island on May 5, the city limits image needs updating. --JKBrooks85 16:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gay

Don't revert me, it's a legement question.
A) Who says it's a 'gay tourist destination'
B) Why does it matter if it is a 'gay tourist destination'
C) What makes it a 'gay tourist destination'
Do we have to list every location a gay person might go to as a 'gay tourist destination'? Or is there some set percent of tourists that have to be gay before it becomes a 'gay tourist destination'?
--72.187.156.177 04:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

This makes sense, I deleted any reference to "gay" in article. If Key West hosted a particular event that could be referenced, that would make sense, but saying it is a popular "gay" destination strays from NPOV and begs the question you asked. HJ 05:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. We don't list Islamorada, Yellowstone park and Las Vegas as being popular "straight" destinations, so why the double standard? Drawing needless attention to a particular group is biased. If it's a gay place, let gay magazines list it as so. It shouldn't be Wikipedia's job to draw attention to certain groups of society. - Marc Averette 14:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Totally irrelevant. This is one bad thing about the internet,it allows yahoos to have a say. Key West is known as a gay resort destination. For the same reason we have awards for African Americans and non-steriod using bodybuilders, gay people have given Key West a distinct feel. I know that, my dead grandmother knows that, should I tell the cat, cause the cat's gonna get this? Why can't you?

4.142.90.104 (talk) 05:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)eric




Also, why is 'Gay destination' under the header of 'Residents'? And really the whole 'Gay destination' part seems to be just thrown together facts.
Key West Gay & Lesbian Museum & Archive, Gay Spring Break, and Fantasy Fest are more appropriate for the 'Attractions, events, recreation, and culture' section.
Same with the 'AIDS Memorial' (Is it even appropriate to assume that AIDS is automatically linked with being gay?)
The story about Senator Tom Eagleton doesn't even seem like it should be in an article about key west simply since it happened there given that the story is 27 years old and not terribly interesting.
'Key West has a large gay and lesbian population and is a popular international gay tourist destination.' has no source.
And finally the part about gay bars once being popular but now aren't as much should probably be under history if anywhere at all.
Not trying to be rude, but it sounds like someone just stuck every reference to gay people they could find into the article. I see no reason why there shouldn't be references to gay actives and events listed but putting them all together like that comes of more like an attempt to convince people that key west is the gay place to be.
Even if it is that should be the readers job to infer from that fact by the numerous gay activities hosted by key west rather then bluntly trying to point it out.
That's just my 2 cents.
And assuming no one objects should I can move the facts to their appropriate places and delete the whole Gay destination header. (I'm still new to the wiki community's rules about editing)
--Reyals 17:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Done
I left out the Village People song and the stroy about blackmailing the senator because they had no good place to be put.--Reyals 15:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

The photo of the concrete pillar thing sucks; there is a much better one on the German wikipedia. I don't know how to cross-wiki link photos, or else I'd do it myself, but somebody should fix that. --158.130.13.4 15:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's the photo listed as

Is it ok to copy and upload from the German wiki?

[edit] JFK's visits to Key West

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Contrary to what this article says, President Kennedy did not visit Key West "during" the Cuban Missile Crisis. (Duh, he was rather busy in DC during those tense thirteen days. He did, however, visit Key West approximately one month after the "conclusion" of the missile crisis, in November of 1962. (This was his second visit to Key West. In 1961, he met with British Prime Minister Harold MacMillan in Key West.) Kennedy's Nov 1962 visit to Key West was historic indeed: he was accompanied by every member of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff on this visit. He thanked the troops then stationed in Key West for their service to the country during the missile crisis.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.170.38 (talk • contribs)

Someone find the appropriate sources and we can get this straightened out. -- Donald Albury 11:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruce Willis

AS far as I'm aware, Bruce willis has no key west connection, but i'm not sure enough to remove it, anybody?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbstimers (talk • contribs)

[edit] Adding Dredgers and Fleming Key?

Those keys are part of the US Navy base, and are not under city jurisdiction. They are not open to the public. You need a Navy pass to get on them. Why are they being included as part of the city of Key West when they aren't? - Marc Averette 18:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

When you scroll down to Key West City on [1], and then click on "Map It", a map with the city limits of Key West City is displayed (as of Census of Population 2000). On this map, the two northern islands are shown as part of Key West City (as of the year 2000). Did this change recently?--Ratzer 06:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
No, it's been that way since before I was born. Maybe Navy bases are counted as part of census areas and included with cities, but those places are US Navy property, not public. I'll try and find a source. - Marc Averette 12:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Being closed to the public and being affiliated with a city is no contradiction. The area of the Base Roosevelt Roads for instance was always considered part of the cities of Ceiba and Vieques. Anyways, since you are a local, you have have an easy way to inquire at the city hall of Key West.--Ratzer 14:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Desalination plant?

Does Key West get its water from a desalination plant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.16 (talk) 10:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Try a Google search for "key west desalinization". -- Donald Albury 21:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
No. They pipe it down from Florida City. There is a plant just west of Florida City that pumps it out of wells which are part of the Biscayne aquifer. The short-lived desalination/desalinization plant was merely a supplement for a time. It has been closed for the past 30 years. - Marc Averette 01:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC) thanks for the info

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Keywestseal.jpg

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[edit] Distance to Cuba?

What reliable source is there for the WP:REDFLAG statement that the distance between Key West and Cuba is 98 mi. instead of the commonly accepted and widely reported distance of 90 mi., as used by the news media?The reference given, an EL to the staff roster at the Weather Bureau, makes no sense. I've replaced it with a link to PBS as a reliable source, which cites 90 miles as the distance between the two. JGHowes talk - 01:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

How about the National Weather Service? The distance is also easily verifiable by using a GPS or any number of distance point calculators, such as the one Google Earth has. Changing valid information to what you erroneously believe simply because the sourced link has moved to a new page is a bit premature. - Marc Averette 04:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • "What I believe", erroneously or otherwise, is irrelevant. Wikipedia requires reliable sources and not WP:OR: I gave a source, the then-existing EL did not, as I explained above. Labelling my edit "vandalism" is uncalled-for. JGHowes talk - 22:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)≤

[edit] Citation of Google Earth sufficient?

Basically, Q(ueensland1655) points to a tool (Google Earth) and suggests that any fact-checker uses the tool to verify whether the distance between Key West and Cuba is indeed the certain number of miles that Q apparently has found using the same tool. Does a pointer to a tool satisfy WP:VER? Does the use of a tool satisfy WP:NOR? Does Q's approach to citation satisfy WP:PROVEIT? My reading of the guidelines leads to NO/NO/NO answers for the the three questions. For one thing, Q's approach leaves a question whether Q measured the distance to Cuba's territorial waters, or to Cuban islands before the Cuban coast (and if so, how large an island to count), or to the Cuban mainland however defined. In general, Q's approach introduces a degree of uncertainty. Would like to hear other opinions about Q's approach, including Q her or himself. -- Iterator12n Talk 02:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cuba to Key West calculation from Google Earth

The pointer tool in Google Earth reads a distance of 94.34 statute miles from Southern Key West (the seawall of Fort Zachry Taylor) at N24°32'39.09", W81°48'18.22", to the closest point of the northern shores of mainland Cuba (about 7 miles ENE of Campo Florido) at N23°11'13.11", W82°01'31.89". Also, I measured the distance between these points on my GPS, reading 94.4 miles at a bearing of 188°. I'm not sure if this is a valid calculation that or how to cite it correctly, but I believe it is a valid way to determine the proper distance from Key West to Cuba. -- Queensland1655 Talk 14:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Queensland1655 response. The response asserts that (N23°11'13.11", W82°01'31.89) is the closest point on the northern shores of mainland Cuba. Is there a reliable, citable source to support this assertion? -- Iterator12n Talk 15:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
There is no source that directly states the said coordinates to be the closest point in Cuba to Key West, but according to the meaurements on Google Earth, there is no closer point in Cuba to Key West than that particular point on the shore. Any map of the straits of Florida, electronic or paper, that has accurate enough keys and coordinates, could prove this. -- Queensland1655 Talk 15:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
You know what, I think some of the Wikipedia "guidelines of fact" are less than perfect. I side with your 94 miles, rounded to avoid any suggestion of pedantry. Cheers. -- Iterator12n Talk 16:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
It's original research. You can't measure it yourself. A source is required. Whether right or not, the National Weather Service states it's 98. - Marc Averette 04:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Two counter points:
1. WP:CK states that “[g]eographic pieces of information easily verified by a non-specialized map” does not require a source. Take a ruler and any map of the area and you’ll find a distance of 94 miles, from Fort ZT to the closest point on mainland Cuba.
2. There are several uncertainties surrounding the NWS mention of the 98 miles, including an uncertainty about the point from which the distance was measured. For all we know, the NWS may have measured the distance from the NWS station, not from Fort ZT.
Iterator12n Talk 19:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Wild Chickens

(moved from article page)

Chickens roam freely over the island and have, in recent years, become controversial for the locals. Some want them rounded up and other want them to stay. I'm not sure of the origin but one article I read suggested they are descendants of Cuban cock fighting flocks. Perhaps someone can edit with more information.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Twowheeler1300 (talk • contribs)